London and UK riots (started in Tottenham 10:30PM, 6th Aug)

Yahew · 10-08-2011 07:17PM

SV wrote: »

lol.

No, it really isn't.
You don't actually appear to have any argument for this one.

I already gave my remedial argument, about why chavs are not a race, in the previous post. I could keep repeating that post, but it's clearly facile.

suspectdevice · 10-08-2011 07:19PM

prinz wrote: »

It's called being organsed and knowing that a few hundred coppers can't be everywhere at once. It has nothing to do with the police shooting.

you don't know what it has to do with, do you?

prinz wrote: »

What boot?

the boot that keeps them down ang gives them no way out

prinz wrote: »

'Probably' LOL. What are most of them doing so? Peacefully protesting?

even if its violent protest, do you think the vast majority of protesters are looting

Happyman42 · 10-08-2011 07:19PM

Yahew wrote: »

Pay attention to the terms you didn't hilight in red. They are far more important definitions of race, and clearly the red bits are correlative of the cause ( of race) heritable Phenotype and geographical ancestry. Culture also correlates, and ethnicity is another way of saying it.

( this remedial piece of logic and knowledge was brought to you all by Yahew).

One thing professor....where does it say 'cause' in that definition I posted?

Next lesson....the difference in everyday usage between the words Politics and politics.
Big letter, wee letter Dougal!

Richard Hillman · 10-08-2011 07:20PM

Are racing drivers a race?

decembersun77 · 10-08-2011 07:21PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Where? How?

Is there people living in little huts and slums in parts of the disadvantaged areas in the uk's cities? Where they have little to no food to feed themselves and their children so they collect bottles and look throught waste dumps for anything they can sell to feed their family. Where there is inadequate sanitation, impure drinking water leading to death and disease such as leprosy. Is this poverty in the uk?

Monty Burnz · 10-08-2011 07:22PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

One thing professor....where does it say 'cause' in that definition I posted?

Next lesson....the difference in everyday usage between the words Politics and politics.
Big letter, wee letter Dougal!

After this piece of transparent evasion, would you like to explain how siblings can belong to the chav and non-chav races?

A Primal Nut · 10-08-2011 07:23PM

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

your going to have to show me where they were rioting or am i missing something.

Given that there were hundreds of rioters out I dont see why they would target some random person minding their own business. The fact they ran from the police verified that even more.

If you are cynical about the police you can guess they attacked random people for no reason. Personally I think its more likely they attacked one of the hundreds of rioters. Just logic.

Monty Burnz · 10-08-2011 07:23PM

decembersun77 wrote: »

Is there people living in little huts and slums in parts of the disadvantaged areas in the uk's cities? Where they have little to no food to feed themselves and their children so they collect bottles and look throught waste dumps for anything they can sell to feed their family. Where there is inadequate sanitation, impure drinking water leading to death and disease such as leprosy. Is this poverty in the uk?

Nope.

prinz · 10-08-2011 07:24PM

suspectdevice wrote: »

you don't know what it has to do with, do you?

Are you going to enlighten me so? What does a 14 year old girl thieving a games console from Argos have to do with an armed police unit shooting an armed known gun dealer during an arrest attempt?

suspectdevice wrote: »

the boot that keeps them down ang gives them no way out

You mean like the 30 odd year old teacher already up in court? Yeah, obviously he had no way out....

suspectdevice wrote: »

even if its violent protest, do you think the vast majority of protesters are looting

Looting, vandalism, arson, violence, running over three young men and killing them in your car...

Wertz · 10-08-2011 07:24PM

I think the problem here with the word chav is that it is used to identify whole swathes of people who wear certain clothes, listen to certain types of music and live in certain areas and fall into a certain income bracket...it is used to label and that label is then used to judge on appearance before the fact, rather than as a put down for people that have proven worthy of the term scumbag for their anti social or criminal actions and not simply their outward appearance.

Happyman42 · 10-08-2011 07:25PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

After this piece of transparent evasion, would you like to explain how siblings can belong to the chav and non-chav races?

It's time to grow up Monty and face up.

Latchy · 10-08-2011 07:25PM

The estimate cost so far for all this as it stands is £100 million with all the major shopping centres like The Arndale in Manchester and Liverpool ONE closing there doors early tonight and it's pretty much same elsewhere .

The good people of all London, ,Manchester,Liverpool ,Birmingham who have come together to help clean up after the rioting are to be applauded .They are the ones who matter , the ones who will stand up and be counted against the small minority and not allow them to destroy their citys .

Many questions and issues have being raised but one that has cropped up is people , including ex policemen called back to assist saying '' some politicians over the years had been harping on about police handling of public disturbances but if they ( police) had being allowed to do their job in the first place without interference ,they would have being able to respond to these disturbances in a much tougher and stronger fashion instead of the softly approach we had '' .

Monty Burnz · 10-08-2011 07:27PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

It's time to grow up Monty and face up.

To?

Happyman42 · 10-08-2011 07:28PM

Latchy wrote: »

The estimate cost so far for all this as it stands is £100 million with all the major shopping centres like The Arndale in Manchester and Liverpool ONE closing there doors early tonight and it's pretty much same elsewhere .

The good people of all London, ,Manchester,Liverpool ,Birmingham who have come together to help clean up after the rioting are to be applauded .They are the ones who matter , the ones who will stand up and be counted against the small minority and not allow them to destroy their citys .

Many questions and issues have being raised but one that has cropped up is people , including ex policemen called back to assist saying '' some politicians over the years had been harping on about police handling of public disturbances but if they ( police) had being allowed to do their job in the first place without interference ,they would have being able to respond to these disturbances in a much tougher and stronger fashion instead of the softly approach we had '' .

The police abused their powers over and over again and they had to be curtailed. The answer is not more police powers but responsible and well monitored policing.

tayto lover · 10-08-2011 07:29PM

suspectdevice wrote: »

you say too much too soon then. do you think it a political situation?

no way. its just pure coincidence that events happened up and down the country in the inner cities at the same time.

angry young people fed up with the boot on the back of their neck perhaps. they are organised and they are fearless. there is probably an element of opportunism in the looting but most of those protesting are not looting.

Ah the old doo gooder civil liberties shyte. What about the decent people living in these areas who never took part in any trouble but are afraid of these gangs of louts. So much so that they are afraid to go to their corner shop after dark for fear of these sub-human elements robbing them.
This crowd of "poor wee angels" are not searched for nothing you know. People are very much afraid of these gangs. But blame the police for doing their job as all you civil liberty types always do. Its a pity they didn't wade into them.

doc_17 · 10-08-2011 07:30PM

niallsparky wrote: »

No he wasn't. Sure the only reason all this violence is happening is because of hoodies isn't it...:rolleyes:

Yes he did, I heard it on Gift Grub a few years ago.....all the above was said tounge firmly in cheek

Knasher · 10-08-2011 07:30PM

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

sorry i did not realise 2 guys on bikes and 2 girls walking was a riot, the cops seemed to have little knowledge themselves as they were heading forward only shifting direction after seeing the bikers (on small bikes granted).

The description on the video says they were being followed via helicopter from a riot.

foxinsox · 10-08-2011 07:31PM

If there is a shortage of places in prisons in the UK, I have a great solution.

Find an uninhabited island (rock) off the coast of England, further north the better (colder).

Ship all the looters/rioters/thieves/thugs to this island to serve their sentences.

They are only allowed wear the clothes they were wearing while looting - hoodies are great for extreme cold

For food they only get Tesco brand rice.
One lighter between every five people.
One roll of bog roll each on arrival.
No guards - leave them to amuse each other on the island.

Oh.. and when their sentence is finished they get to swim home.

Monty Burnz · 10-08-2011 07:31PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

It's time to grow up Monty and face up.

Hello?

To what?

kleefarr · 10-08-2011 07:31PM

Nothing to report tonight??

Went quiet very quickly. Suppose it could change when it gets dark.

norris_minor · 10-08-2011 07:32PM

the skanger culture also heralded a dramatically higher instance of broken homes. one such reason was fathers were less likely to stick around and father the child they had sown; often with a bun in another oven whilst mothers oft only wished to have the child with a view to lone parent's allowance and other benefits whilst the father was done away with. Discarded. mostly to his satisfaction so he could philander elsewhere in the event he not already been doing so.. All this, to the sound of rave/hip-hop and it's own many offshoots

MungBean · 10-08-2011 07:32PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Hello?

To what?

Just leave it, let the madness end !

Phenomenally Phrank · 10-08-2011 07:33PM

niallsparky wrote: »

Typical scumbags on power trips. Kicking people who are lying on the ground :mad:

You're the scumbag, STFU.

mod: poster banned.

Monty Burnz · 10-08-2011 07:34PM

Skunkle wrote: »

Just leave it, let the madness end !

I'd love to, but he's persisting with this 'chav race' thing, and claiming that I have no answer - without providing a question!

3ndahalfof6 · 10-08-2011 07:36PM

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Given that there were hundreds of rioters out I dont see why they would target some random person minding their own business. The fact they ran from the police verified that even more.

If you are cynical about the police you can guess they attacked random people for no reason. Personally I think its more likely they attacked one of the hundreds of rioters. Just logic.

they were on bikes, to be honest if i came upon cops running down the street i think i would swing her around and move quick sharpish,

the girls that were on the foothpath went into a bit of a wee jog themselves but it seems because they were girls there is no way they were involved, even though they also were in the same area.

i would like to of seen the cops staying on the course they set of in which was probably towards the mob, instead of stopping for a practice run,

and i sure dont not want to give them the power of logic either, give them the orders they should respond, we dont want to be confusing them.

Yahew · 10-08-2011 07:37PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

One thing professor....where does it say 'cause' in that definition I posted?

It didn't. I was explaining cause and correlation to you.

Next lesson....the difference in everyday usage between the words Politics and politics.

In everyday usage there would be no difference. Well, to be fair, politics can be capitalised if it comes at the start of the sentence, otherwise you dont capitalise it.

Ulysses Gaze · 10-08-2011 07:38PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I'd love to, but he's persisting with this 'chav race' thing, and claiming that I have no answer - without providing a question!

There is no Chav race ffs. Or emo race.

They're all sub-cultures.

Like Punks, Teddy boys, Mods, Rockers, Metallers etc.

MungBean · 10-08-2011 07:39PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I'd love to, but he's persisting with this 'chav race' thing, and claiming that I have no answer - without providing a question!

I'm just as confused as you are as to how a stereotype constitutes a race but you have to stop encouraging these people.

Monty Burnz · 10-08-2011 07:39PM

Yahew wrote: »

In everyday usage there would be no difference. Well, to be fair, politics can be capitalised if it comes at the start of the sentence, otherwise you dont capitalise it.

To be fair, I think he realises everyone knows he was talking out of his arse with the 'race of chavs' stuff, and now he's only trolling us.

murphthesmurf · 10-08-2011 07:39PM

I lived around 3 miles outside of West Bromwich, where there was rioting last night. Over the past few yrs there has been millions thrown at the place. A nice new shiny bus station, re-done all the road network around the town, built a 300 squillion pound arts hall, health centre, modernized the blocks of flats and hanged nice decorations on the outside, plant flower beds on the traffic islands. The bus routes are serviced by almost brand new buses, while the rest of the surrounding areas made do with 20+ yr old rust buckets. Many new businesses opened up around the area on the many new industrial areas. What difference did it make? Sweet F A. The arts centre is vandalized on a daily basis, the same goes for the bus station and all the buses. There is litter dropped everywhere as it always has been. There's plenty for the youth to do, youth centres, cinema, bowling alley, snooker halls, YMCA, leisure centre, etc etc. There is no excuse for them to be doing what they did, absolutely none what so ever. People need to accept that some people are just scum, when we can all learn to accept this, then maybe we can start to deal with them.
Using a few examples of teachers assistants being nabbed looting does not mean the crowds were made up of honest educated individuals. These are just 1 or 2 minorities that are singled out. 99% of the people committing the offences are scum, pure and simple. No amount of youth projects, no amount of outreach workers, no amount of pc lefties will fix them. You can take a horse to a well, but you can't make him drink. All these people are given the opportunity to drink all through there life from the day they are born to the day they will die.
Yes pear pressure, bad parenting etc etc has a big impact on them. But pear pressure can be on all of us. I went to school with quite a few people who grew up to be scum. We all had the same opportunity, we all had similar influences. I managed to get a job etc, why didn't they. They didn't because they couldn't be arsed to put the effort in. Its so much quicker and easier to steal or deal drugs.
A lad I worked with once was from a carribean family. He told me how strict his parents were, and how most carribean families are this way. He told how if he ever answered back or bought trouble home he would get a right good hiding from his mom. He worked a 9 to 5 job the same as me, yet in his spare time he dealt drugs and anything else he could get his hands on. He did it because he was greedy and lazy and wanted what he couldn't have, simple. The fact he was black is neither here nor there, I'm just using him as an example that, even with a good up bringing and opportunities given to him, he still chose to be scum.
People continue to come up with so called solutions. Each one has to be more 'intelligent' than the last. Only when we start to accept what they are and treat them accordingly will we get anywhere.
England has become far far too soft and liberal. I don't believe it will ever be mended, it's just too broke.
Many many things have changed over the past quarter of a century since the 1985 riots, people who say it hasn't are full of ****e. It's become extreme in England where racial equality is involved. Even a 'black board' isn't a black board anymore, it's now a drawing or writing board. The Baa Baa Black Sheep nursery rhyme was banned in schools and changed to Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep FFS!! There is much less racism today than there was when I was a kid. In fact I'd say it's gone way too far. It is now often seen as the case that people from ethnic backgrounds have more rights than white people, and I'd agree. The only thing these riots will do is increase the number of votes for the likes of the BNP, and will undo a lot of the work that has been done over the years.

London and UK riots (started in Tottenham 10:30PM, 6th Aug)

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