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London Riots

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  • #62
    KeithAFC
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    I don't think England can look down upon riots in other places now. That is awful.


  • #63
    Ricardo G
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,308 ✭✭✭Ricardo G


    The fact that they are destroying their own community says a lot about the mentality of these people imo. Its blatently obvious the only motive here is to rob what they can, knowing the resources are'nt their to monitor them effectively. They are out and out scum and anyone who defends their actions should have a serious morality check.... The police have nothing to do with whats happening atm


  • #64
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    Well we don't know how the gun got there. We don't know if the cops saw it in advance. We have no idea if the policeman was in fear. We do know that he got no shots off and the police managed to shoot one of themselves and they initially lied about it.

    Being armed does not make you 'fair game' by the way, no more than walking home past a riot cop, carrying a table leg or getting the tube to work does.

    If you are carrying a gun and not a hunter or member of police or heading off to shooting range with a full licence on the gun.You are up to no good and intending on either murder or robbery.
    You are fair game.


  • #65
    OhNoYouDidn't
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    philologos wrote: »
    What's your basis for this? Just curious. If I'm wrong I'll state that I'm wrong.

    Otherwise we don't know and assuming without basis isn't going to get either of us anywhere. I'm not interested in accepting a one-sided narrative. Much of this is unfolding and we'll have to wait to see the fuller truth.

    The rioting is now more about opportunistic looting and yob behaviour than politically motivated.

    They shot him because he shot at them. That was the line at the start.

    Turns out he did not. The cops managed to shoot each other and either think it was him (incompetence) shooting or they have tried to cover it up (corruption). Either way, its another civilian dead in questionable circumstances.


  • #66
    OhNoYouDidn't
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    junder wrote: »
    The met don't police Birmingham. Seems to me your just looking to get a dig in at a British police force and nothing else

    It has spread. Surely being from the 6 counties this you understand?


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  • #67
    KeithAFC
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    They should send in some PSNI water cannons.


  • #68
    Ricardo G
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    sink wrote: »
    Frankly your attitude is disgusting.

    So a bunch of mix race thugs white, asian and black cause mayhem in london, you blame it completely only on the faces with a slightly darker pigment.

    In fairness YOU are trying to make it sound like racism, Walsh b is merely stating the that they are of a mixed race and nothing else to be fair


  • #69
    OhNoYouDidn't
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    caseyann wrote: »
    If you are carrying a gun and not a hunter or member of police or heading off to shooting range with a full licence on the gun.You are up to no good and intending on either murder or robbery.
    You are fair game.

    And you are 100% certain it was his gun? Not the other man in the car's? Or planted by the cops?


  • #70
    OhNoYouDidn't
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    Ricardo G wrote: »
    In fairness YOU are trying to make it sound like racism, Walsh b is merely stating the that they are of a mixed race and nothing else to be fair

    London is a multicultural city. Everything that happens there happens with mixed races. Why did he make such a big deal of the skin tones and announce people of colour can't be English?


  • #71
    walshb
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    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    London is a multicultural city. Everything that happens there happens with mixed races. Why did he make such a big deal of the skin tones and announce people of colour can't be English?

    I never once metioned colour.


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  • #72
    caseyann
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    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    And you are 100% certain it was his gun? Not the other man in the car's? Or planted by the cops?


    We will see wont we ;)

    And still no excuse for rioting and burning peoples homes and nearly killing some.I am shocked and hoping still no one dead, and praying to god that no one has died.


  • #73
    philologos
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    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    And you are 100% certain it was his gun? Not the other man in the car's? Or planted by the cops?

    This is getting into conspiracy theory territory.

    It's as simple as this for now. The looting and the riots are criminal. They in my opinion aren't justified as a result.

    As for Mark Duggan it seems like it is only a back shadow to the criminality at this point, but I do hope that they get to the bottom of what happened. Obviously death is regrettable and nobody would ever hope that for anyone, well most of us wouldn't. I personally wouldn't even for the most grievous criminal.


  • #74
    RichieC
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    Ricardo G wrote: »
    In fairness YOU are trying to make it sound like racism, Walsh b is merely stating the that they are of a mixed race and nothing else to be fair

    seriously? SERIOUSLY?

    re read his posts.


  • #75
    Nodin
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    Ricardo G wrote: »
    In fairness YOU are trying to make it sound like racism, Walsh b is merely stating the that they are of a mixed race and nothing else to be fair

    Its fairly clear what hes getting at allright.
    walshb wrote: »
    See, integration and multiculturalism never works. These parasites are not your genuine civilised 'English' people. Well, most of them aren't.

    ..........


  • #76
    KeithAFC
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    My main question would be on why has the police in London not been able to protect so many buildings which are being burnt to the ground. It is amazing how that is happening. You would think they would have London full of police officers and on every street.


  • #77
    Duiske
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    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    I think that is a bit shallow a reading of it. People are angry at a system that has failed them, in this case yet another civilian murdered by the hated police. It has manifested itself in a way that I will agree is not healthy, but this has been building for years.

    I'd wager that the vast majority of these mindless morons do not even know who Mark Duggan is. They are not seeking justice for Mr Duggan. They are seeking Nikes, IPads, 3D HD TV's and whatever other "must have" item they can get their sticky little fingers on.


  • #78
    OhNoYouDidn't
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    walshb wrote: »
    I never once metioned colour.

    Its fairly clear what you were driving at.
    walshb wrote: »
    Pictures do not lie. It's clear to see that most are not English people. Some may well have even been born there, but they are not English.

    And, we're not far behind. It won't be long until this type of behaviour is happening here.

    walshb wrote: »
    See, integration and multiculturalism never works. These parasites are not your genuine civilised 'English' people. Well, most of them aren't.

    Oh, and for many many of them, it has zero to do with politics and government. It's a hatred for
    Britain and Britain's people, Britain's values, and Britain's laws.


  • #79
    Sand
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    It just seems to be scum, who see a glorious opportunity to act out as hardmen by breaking up shops and engaging in ritualistic violence against a mostly passive and outnumbered and outgunned police force.

    Of course, we have the usual suspects playing the bleeding hearts angle but my sympathies go out to the ordinary people who are even now terrified in their own homes wondering if they will be petrol bombed in their homes or attacked on the streets by these scum.


  • #80
    Ricardo G
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    RichieC wrote: »
    seriously? SERIOUSLY?

    re read his posts.

    Like most people you are reading too much into what he is writing. It seems that people can't mention a certain race or skin tone nowadays without being "racist".
    Be real folks and don't kid yourselves, the vast majority of people rioting this evening are black and asian, the only people defending their actions on the news are black !! I'm not racist but a realist


  • #81
    OhNoYouDidn't
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    Sand wrote: »
    It just seems to be scum, who see a glorious opportunity to act out as hardmen by breaking up shops and engaging in ritualistic violence against a mostly passive and outnumbered and outgunned police force.

    Of course, we have the usual suspects playing the bleeding hearts angle but my sympathies go out to the ordinary people who are even now terrified in their own homes wondering if they will be petrol bombed in their homes or attacked on the streets by these scum.

    An unfortunate choice of words really...


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  • #82
    southsiderosie
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    As rage-inducing as this situation is, this thread has raised my blood pressure even mroe.
    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    Yes. I believe that, yet again, the plod have killed someone and we all know there will be zero consequences. That is the spark that lit the fuse. There are some opportunists, of course, but to dismiss the whole mess as scamps taking advantage fundamentally lets the pigs off the hook for their corruption. That's the main reason I disagree with the looting. Lets the media paint this as not being a reaction to a failed system.

    The Met are a disgrace. But by rioting, these people have made it easy as pie for the media to make it a story about hooligans (which the rioters are) and not about police brutality and incompetence (which absolutely applies to the Met).
    walshb wrote: »
    See, integration and multiculturalism never works. These parasites are not your genuine civilised 'English' people. Well, most of them aren't.

    Oh, and for many many of them, it has zero to do with politics and government. It's a hatred for
    Britain and Britain's people, Britain's values, and Britain's laws.
    Dale Parish wrote: »
    The met have not made a balls of anything. What we have here is foreigners who sponge and are out to cause trouble.
    Bring on the army.
    walshb wrote: »
    Pictures do not lie. It's clear to see that most are not English people. Some may well have even been born there, but they are not English.

    And just as these hoodlums are using a disgraceful political situation as a cover to run amok, so too are the resident racists of the Politics forum using this incident to trot out their usual nonsense. Well done.
    caseyann wrote: »
    I think under the circumstance they are doing their very best.Personally i would be bashing them with everything i could pick up.Fair play to them for being able to do it without attacking the rioters.
    I hate when people start blaming police for doing the best job they can.

    Best job they can? The fcuk?

    The police completely abdicated any kind of control over the streets to thugs, and literally stood by and watched while local people's businesses were burned down. And since London has more CCTV cameras than anywhere else on earth, it is all on camera. The Met has, once again, completely failed the decent people who live in poor and working class neighborhoods; they are trapped between their own heavy-handed incompetence and 'community activists' who don't want the police in their neighborhoods, but are unwilling to control them themselves.


  • #83
    Nodin
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    My main question would be on why has the police in London not been able to protect so many buildings which are being burnt to the ground. It is amazing how that is happening. You would think they would have London full of police officers and on every street.

    I'd suggest taking a look at the size of London via google or somesuch.


  • #84
    paul71
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    From what I have read recently it appears he was carrying the gun as a cousin/friend of his had been stabbed recently. A witness said that police shouted at him 2 or 3 times to "stop", but he didn't. Apparently the officer who shot him never claimed he fired first and that rumour was started by the daily mail.

    The death does of course need to be investigated but rioting is not justified. Rather interesting that Electronic games shops are being targetted, people more interested in stealing playstations than making a political statement?

    As regards the racial aspect, i am sure everybody would be supportive of the Turkish and Kurdish shop-keepers in Tottenham who have been forced into forming protective groups to safeguard their businesses and families from the rioters.


  • #85
    walshb
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    Ricardo G wrote: »
    Like most people you are reading too much into what he is writing. It seems that people can't mention a certain race or skin tone nowadays without being "racist".
    Be real folks and don't kid yourselves, the vast majority of people rioting this evening are black and asian, the only people defending their actions on the news are black !! I'm not racist but a realist

    Absolutely, and the same way that most in LA years ago were black.

    Never said whites don't riot, or aren't involved.

    I am simply saying that the cameras do not lie. Many of the rioters have no love, affection or respect for Britain and its meaning.


  • #86
    caseyann
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    southsiderosie wrote: »









    Best job they can? The fcuk?

    The police completely abdicated any kind of control over the streets to thugs, and literally stood by and watched while local people's businesses were burned down. And since London has more CCTV cameras than anywhere else on earth, it is all on camera. The Met has, once again, completely failed the decent people who live in poor and working class neighborhoods; they are trapped between their own heavy-handed incompetence and 'community activists' who don't want the police in their neighborhoods, but are unwilling to control them themselves.

    Rubbish.


  • #87
    Sand
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    Pretty funny watching Ken Livingston getting schooled on Newsnight right now. Hes talked about clapped out politicians, but all he can do is try put this down to some sort of political protest against Conservitive party politics. The other guests are telling him not to try and pretend all young people are doing this, that its nothing to do with cutbacks, telling him to stop electioneering...


  • #88
    southsiderosie
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    caseyann wrote: »
    Rubbish.

    By what account? Or are you just going to stick to the usual rejoinders of one-liners and eye rolls without actually trying to substantiate anything in your posts?


  • #89
    Nodin
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    Ricardo G wrote: »
    Like most people you are reading too much into what he is writing. It seems that people can't mention a certain race or skin tone nowadays without being "racist".
    Be real folks and don't kid yourselves, the vast majority of people rioting this evening are black and asian, the only people defending their actions on the news are black !! I'm not racist but a realist

    You might take note of the number of "white" faces here then.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/gallery/2011/aug/08/violence-looting-london-in-pictures#/?picture=377694982&index=0
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14434552


  • #90
    KeithAFC
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    Nodin wrote: »
    I'd suggest taking a look at the size of London via google or somesuch.
    True but this is the London police? Surely they can stop 16+ year olds burning down huge buildings? The place is an utter mess.


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  • #91
    walshb
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    southsiderosie wrote: »
    By what account? Or are you just going to stick to the usual rejoinders of one-liners and eye rolls without actually trying to substantiate anything in your posts?

    I think the one liner said it perfectly.

    A bit like a picture paints a thousand words


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