Is David Norris Toast?

Sully · 02-08-2011 03:15PM

Appropriate and correct choice for Norris to depart the race. I'd nearly go as far as suggesting he depart from office for abusing the office and role as a Senator.

mikom · 02-08-2011 03:15PM

Side Show Bob wrote: »

Great news, David Norris is toast! And thank God!

Which one?

Bullseye1 · 02-08-2011 03:18PM

Sully wrote: »

Appropriate and correct choice for Norris to depart the race. I'd nearly go as far as suggesting he depart from office for abusing the office and role as a Senator.

There is quite a few of those who were re-elected.

Elmo · 02-08-2011 03:18PM

Sully wrote: »

Appropriate and correct choice for Norris to depart the race. I'd nearly go as far as suggesting he depart from office for abusing the office and role as a Senator.

LOL that doesn't happen in Ireland.

hotmail.com · 02-08-2011 03:18PM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

It all falls under Article 26 powers. You've completely passed over the referendum issue also.
There are clearly 8 which have been reviewed, it's black and white.

Cute.

The fact that you think "separation of powers" is merely "legal speak" just proves my point that there is a general lack of understanding of this area.

Meh, think what you like.

The president can call a referendum, right thanks. Not going to happen.

She did not send 8 to the supreme court, which is what you stated. Therefore you were incorrect.

The president has a limited constitutional role, if you can't understand that, then you've got to get your head out of the constitution and enter the real world.

finisklin · 02-08-2011 03:19PM

The right decision.....

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0802/norrisd.html

skregs · 02-08-2011 03:20PM

So it turns out that not only is Norris always banging on about 15 year old boys, but his (at the time very, very current) boyfriend went to prison for raping a child.
Norris is so appalled by the actions of this man that he tries to get him a non-custodial sentence (after fully accepting the man is guilty) and then spends the next ten years continuing his relationship with a convicted paedophile.

He's as bad as the old bastards in the catholic church, but I have no doubt apologists will claim its homophobic to point this out.

anymore · 02-08-2011 03:20PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

I've read all about the history of the GAA and it's close association with the Catholic Church. Perhaps you should do the same.

Was Michael Semple ( Semple Statdium ) protestant ?

Messi2 · 02-08-2011 03:23PM

skregs wrote: »

So it turns out that not only is Norris always banging on about 15 year old boys, but his (at the time very, very current) boyfriend went to prison for raping a child.
Norris is so appalled by the actions of this man that he tries to get him a non-custodial sentence (after fully accepting the man is guilty) and then spends the next ten years continuing his relationship with a convicted paedophile.

He's as bad as the old bastards in the catholic church, but I have no doubt apologists will claim its homophobic to point this out.

Oh no, no, no, you can't say that. They'll call you "homophobic" don't you know.

It's a good day for Ireland today in my opinion.

Fr Tod Umptious · 02-08-2011 03:24PM

anymore wrote: »

Was Michael Semple ( Semple Statdium ) protestant ?

Not sure, but Jack Boothman, a President of the GAA in the 1990s was and still is very much a Protestant.

hotmail.com · 02-08-2011 03:24PM

Messi2 wrote: »

Oh please play the "homophobia card" over and over again.

He thought it was OK to write letters after a man (his boyfriend) raped a boy. And you think thats OK? I mean WTF

That's not what you complained about originally. This is what you said:

"Realistically we couldn't have had a homosexual president, it would have caused too many problems and would have been just wrong for the country"

Therefore this is a homophobic opinion, because you've brought his sexual orientation into the discussion. You don't believe it's suitable for there to be a gay president, based on the reason that they're gay. It's pretty simple really, I'd have maybe a tiny bit of respect for you if you just admitted it.

optogirl · 02-08-2011 03:26PM

skregs wrote: »

always banging on about 15 year old boys.

??? If you made some valid points instead of rubbish maybe people would rationally listen to your points - this is just bullshi*.

hotmail.com · 02-08-2011 03:27PM

When is Mitchell going to withdraw now?? He asked for clemency for a double murderer in the United States.

Is the principle not the same?

tayto lover · 02-08-2011 03:27PM

finisklin wrote: »

The right decision.....

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0802/norrisd.html

Fair play to David Norris for eventually doing the decent thing. Now if only Bishop McGee, Cardinal Brady and many priests had the balls to stand down from their office we might get somewhere on matters relating to child abuse. These people got off too light and should be pursued in the same way for their acts on behalf of child abusers.

FreudianSlippers · 02-08-2011 03:28PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Meh, think what you like.

The president can call a referendum, right thanks. Not going to happen.

She did not send 8 to the supreme court, which is what you stated. Therefore you were incorrect.

The president has a limited constitutional role, if you can't understand that, then you've got to get your head out of the constitution and enter the real world.

Actually, I clearly said:

All invoked Council of State powers to begin in Re Art 26 proceedings, some were signed without referral.

Is this the "real world" where the uneducated prevail? Because that's the real world I see every day and it's getting frustrating.

I also don't think it's fair to say because a power has never been used that it isn't an important thing.

hotmail.com · 02-08-2011 03:28PM

Saint Ruth wrote: »

Funny how there are "nuances and grey areas" when it comes to David Norris, but it's all black and white when it comes to the Catholic Church...

I think it's a rather unfair comparison really. The CC covered up the abuse of children. They moved priests around to evade justice. Totally different.

Bullseye1 · 02-08-2011 03:28PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

When is Mitchell going to withdraw now?? He asked for clemency for a double murderer in the United States.

Is the principle not the same?

Do you have a link to this story? If its the same he too should withdraw.

hotmail.com · 02-08-2011 03:29PM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Actually, I clearly said:

Is this the "real world" where the uneducated prevail and reading is limited to spewing out garbage? Because that's not the real world I see every day.

I also don't think it's fair to say because a power has never been used that it isn't an important thing.

How many actually went to the supreme court?

Hermy · 02-08-2011 03:30PM

ULMarksman wrote: »

Gay Mitchell makes representation for lenience...

Could that be viewed as Mitchell's opposition to the death penalty rather than simply a plea for leniency? Just asking.

Messi2 · 02-08-2011 03:31PM

I think hotmail.com needs to log off and calm down.

InigoMontoya · 02-08-2011 03:31PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

When is Mitchell going to withdraw now?? He asked for clemency for a double murderer in the United States.

Is the principle not the same?

The practical difference is that many people object to the death penalty as a matter of principle and regardless of the crime involved.

hotmail.com · 02-08-2011 03:32PM

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Do you have a link to this story? If its the same he too should withdraw.

Yes I do, I posted the story on this thread a couple of days ago. Here you go again:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2003/0903/deathrow.html?view=print%3Fview%3Dprint

Fine Gael's Spokesman on Foreign Affairs, Gay Mitchell, has written to the Governor of Florida in the US, asking him to take anti-abortionist Paul Hill off death row.
A former Presbyterian Minister, Hill was convicted of the murder of two people outside an abortion clinic in 1994

Degringola · 02-08-2011 03:33PM

One thing I'm surprised didn't receive much attention at the time of the Magill re-run affair is his view on incest, which was as waffley as his view on the age of consent.

I found it very shocking myself and it doesn't seem to recieve much attention (that I have seen.)

jhegarty · 02-08-2011 03:33PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

When is Mitchell going to withdraw now?? He asked for clemency for a double murderer in the United States.

Is the principle not the same?

Not the same because:

1) It's Irish and EU policy to be against the death penalty

2) This wasn't for a friend of his , it was for a stranger

FreudianSlippers · 02-08-2011 03:33PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

How many actually went to the supreme court?

Somewhere around 15 or 16 I think.

K-9 · 02-08-2011 03:34PM

Messi2 wrote: »

Great news. Realistically we couldn't have had a homosexual president, it would have caused too many problems and would have been just wrong for the country.

Yep, definitely homophobic.

hotmail.com · 02-08-2011 03:34PM

Messi2 wrote: »

I think hotmail.com needs to log off and calm down.

So you can vomit out homophobic crap and let it go unnoticed...

littlemac1980 · 02-08-2011 03:34PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

When is Mitchell going to withdraw now?? He asked for clemency for a double murderer in the United States.

Is the principle not the same?

No the principle is not the same.

Sully · 02-08-2011 03:35PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

When is Mitchell going to withdraw now?? He asked for clemency for a double murderer in the United States.

Is the principle not the same?

Davids views about this type of thing was called into question a while back, and he denied it all. Then he is caught writing about pretty much the same thing asking for clemency to his partner (at the time) who was caught at the act.

Mitchell on the other hand wrote about a murder and the death penalty, which a lot of people are against.

Underage sex is completely different.

hotmail.com · 02-08-2011 03:36PM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Somewhere around 15 or 16 I think.

During McAleese's term...But anyway.

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