Holland set to boot out Polish immigrants who can't find work after 3 months.

worded · 31-07-2011 03:59PM

I spoke to a Polish couple who said similar. Its just so generous here.
They worked during the boom, have no job now. If they go back and are unemployed they get very little for three months. After three months they get 0 but retain their Medical cover. Aft that if offered a low paid Tesco job and decline it, they loose even their medical ! 0 + no medical = stay here.

Nodin wrote: »

I'd say you got that wrong.

They are Polish and told me this. Im just writing what they told me. I didnt get it wrong.

Its just so generous here...........

ejmaztec · 31-07-2011 03:59PM

They'll probably throw out a few Dutch people as well, hoping that no-one notices.

Mike 1972 · 31-07-2011 04:18PM

dlofnep wrote: »

Has someone confirmed if they are kicking only eastern europeans out, or all EU citizens?

I would imagine it would have to apply to all non-Dutch EU citizens although no doubt it will be more vigourously applied to citizens of those countries whose EU membership has been more recent.

7Sins · 31-07-2011 06:02PM

and what did Paddy want to do?

"I know lets make all our road signs Polish"

Nodin · 31-07-2011 06:58PM

worded wrote: »

They are Polish and told me this. Im just writing what they told me. I didnt get it wrong.

Its just so generous here...........

You're writing what you think they told you. I took the liberty of looking it up and thats not the case.

Clareboy · 31-07-2011 11:21PM

Basically, we have two choices in this country - (a) boot out all foreigners who are on welfare or (b) cut welfare rates for all including our own unemployed Irish workers, most of whom have worked all their lives here and have paid their taxes and PRSI.

Dyr · 31-07-2011 11:23PM

opinion guy wrote: »

How about we just kick out all the racists from all over Europe and give them their own country ? THat'll work won't it ?

Some of you seem to have real problems understanding the basic functioning of the EU

Right now the basic functioning of the EU is killing us. You seem to have real problems understanding that.

booboo88 · 31-07-2011 11:28PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Holland is on a collision course with the EU over a threat to deport Poles and other eastern Europeans who cannot find work and withhold their state benefits if they don't speak Dutch

Could Ireland do the same here if Immigrants here can't get work and fail to speak Irish.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2011096/Holland-set-collision-EU-plans-deport-Polish-immigrants-job.html

its a very good idea, well at least with holding the state benefit if they cant find work. id be happy if they just bloody spoke english

Capt'n Midnight · 31-07-2011 11:29PM

Laisurg wrote: »

I thought the dutch were all about booting out the muslims? Would they ever make up their mind :mad:

Well they are going to start with facist polish muslims

sollar · 31-07-2011 11:31PM

worded wrote: »

How long - approx 1 year.

Im not blaming the Polish for our govt. We spend 1/3 of Irelands income on SW. It cant continue as we are borrowing to pay it.

2/3

We bring in about 34 billion and spend 21 billion on welfare.

opinion guy · 01-08-2011 02:43AM

Bambi wrote: »

Right now the basic functioning of the EU is killing us. You seem to have real problems understanding that.

Oh please do explain it do me

Nodin · 01-08-2011 03:24PM

Clareboy wrote: »

Basically, we have two choices in this country - (............

No, we've a considerable number of choices more than that.

johnnyskeleton · 01-08-2011 05:00PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Holland is on a collision course with the EU over a threat to deport Poles and other eastern Europeans who cannot find work and withhold their state benefits if they don't speak Dutch

Could Ireland do the same here if Immigrants here can't get work and fail to speak Irish.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2011096/Holland-set-collision-EU-plans-deport-Polish-immigrants-job.html

They can be removed but there is nothing to stop them coming back the next day. They can be excluded from the country for a period, but only on the basis of public health, public safety or public policy.

Also, after 5 years they can get permanent residency rights.

Not having a job is not enough to exclude a national of another memberstate.

markesmith · 01-08-2011 05:19PM

sollar wrote: »

2/3

We bring in about 34 billion and spend 21 billion on welfare.

Jaysus, that's a sobering figure.

And sobering's what I need after the weekend that's been in it :cool:

srsly78 · 01-08-2011 05:25PM

Not reading through 19 pages of ****e...

Has anyone pointed out that Ireland + UK are NOT in the Schengen area? We do not actually have as much freedom as people think, you can stay for 3 months but after that you have to show you can support yourself etc.

Conversely, we can travel to the UK without even needing a passport (ryanair aside). Also we can vote in UK general elections (if resident).

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 01-08-2011 05:32PM

srsly78 wrote: »

Not reading through 19 pages of ****e...

Has anyone pointed out that Ireland + UK are NOT in the Schengen area? We do not actually have as much freedom as people think, you can stay for 3 months but after that you have to show you can support yourself etc.

Conversely, we can travel to the UK without even needing a passport (ryanair aside). Also we can vote in UK general elections (if resident).

I don't think Schengen allows for deporting nationals - both Holland and Poland are part of the agreement.

It just means that, once your inside the area, you can travel freely without a passport. If you intend to stay for 90 days, you have to registe yourself, but that's just a formality if you're from the EU. And they certainly do not make income checks when that period expires.

MagicSean · 01-08-2011 05:52PM

onemorechance wrote: »

Don't think they should be so quick to kick them out, but they should have to make some effort to learn the language.

The EU supports free movement of workers. Being on the dole for threee months makes you no longer a worker. It's a good idea.

funloving · 01-08-2011 06:00PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Holland is on a collision course with the EU over a threat to deport Poles and other eastern Europeans who cannot find work and withhold their state benefits if they don't speak Dutch

Could Ireland do the same here if Immigrants here can't get work and fail to speak Irish.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2011096/Holland-set-collision-EU-plans-deport-Polish-immigrants-job.html

some Irish live in Holland and don't speak a word of Dutch (or any other language than English)...

if Holland kicked them out and other countries applied the same, well, you wouldn't like it then!

this thread is horrifying :eek:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 01-08-2011 07:57PM

funloving wrote: »

some Irish live in Holland and don't speak a word of Dutch (or any other language than English)...

if Holland kicked them out and other countries applied the same, well, you wouldn't like it then!

this thread is horrifying :eek:

I'd better start packing, so...

MagicSean · 01-08-2011 08:03PM

funloving wrote: »

some Irish live in Holland and don't speak a word of Dutch (or any other language than English)...

if Holland kicked them out and other countries applied the same, well, you wouldn't like it then!

this thread is horrifying :eek:

Why would you move to a country and not try to learn the language?

Solair · 02-08-2011 10:18AM

Ireland and the UK are part of the Shengen treaty agreement. We opted out of the common visa system and common border, but implement many of the other provisions for example on enhanced police cooperation etc

The freedom of movement for EU citizens wasn't introduced by Shengen either, it predates it by quite a few treaties.

Shengen has more impact on non-EU / EEA nationals travelling within the Shengen area.

It has nothing to do with Polish people's rights to move around the EU. They are full EU citizens the same as the Dutch are.

I'm sure if ever the Dutch are broke and need jobs in Poland in 20 years time, the Poles will remember to throw them out too.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 03-08-2011 12:36AM

I think having a basic knowledge of english should be mandatory for all EU citizens wishing to live in ireland. I cant remember the exact figure but it up in the millions, the amount of money spent on translators in irish courts for non nationals.

DarylH · 18-11-2011 10:21PM

CJC999 wrote: »

I think having a basic knowledge of english should be mandatory for all EU citizens wishing to live in ireland. I cant remember the exact figure but it up in the millions, the amount of money spent on translators in irish courts for non nationals.

If they do not want to learn English why should they?
Concentrate on keeping them out of the court not teaching them English if they don't want to be taught it.

Johro · 18-11-2011 10:37PM

'There is a growing discontent with labour migrants in the Netherlands, where Poles are accused of misusing the social benefit system.'

How sad and predictable. When times are hard, blame immigrants.
Not helped by a conservative government. So much for free movement in the EU.

HavingCrack · 18-11-2011 10:57PM

Possibly a solution to this would be that you're not entitled to any social welfare benefits in another EU state unless you have been working and residing there for x amount of time-1,2,3 years? I have no idea how long but it would stop this situation surely? I know this is not allowed under EU treaty but treaties can be changed I suppose.

18-11-2011 11:00PM

When the EU collapses soon every one will have to go home.

So we can welome back the thousands of Irish overseas to replace all the immigrants leaving.

JupiterKid · 18-11-2011 11:02PM

The Netherlands has been taking some rather sharp lurches to the right over the past couple of years. So much for its famed tolerance.:(

HavingCrack · 18-11-2011 11:04PM

JupiterKid wrote: »

The Netherlands has been taking some rather sharp lurches to the right over the past couple of years. So much for its famed tolerance.:(

To be fair, they're having significant trouble with Morroccan and Turkish communities wanting to have their rights respected but refusing to extend the same tolerance to others.

not yet · 18-11-2011 11:39PM

MagicSean wrote: »

Why would you move to a country and not try to learn the language?

To make as much money as quickly as possible..........simple

Johro · 18-11-2011 11:41PM

HavingCrack wrote: »

To be fair, they're having significant trouble with Morroccan and Turkish communities wanting to have their rights respected but refusing to extend the same tolerance to others.

Lack of integration is key there. When immigrant people of any country create their own community and don't mix with the natives it always creates friction.
That said, politics is definitely shifting to the right in Holland, but it does everywhere in difficult economic times.
Some of the threads here are testament to that. People don't get so hot and bothered about immigrant workers (or welfare cheats) when times are good.

Holland set to boot out Polish immigrants who can't find work after 3 months.

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