Is David Norris Toast?

Sunnyisland · 31-07-2011 11:56AM

Bock the Robber wrote: »

It's about the way the police arrested him by pretending to be customers.

They do that all the time with prostitutes & also vice versa. Never hear anyone complaining about that.

Bock the Robber · 31-07-2011 12:17PM

realies wrote: »

They do that all the time with prostitutes & also vice versa. Never hear anyone complaining about that.

I'm only answering the question.

JonathanAnon · 31-07-2011 12:22PM

copacetic wrote: »

He says himself that he wasn't. From today's independent:

I thought that too copacetic, but I was nearly sure I saw him on some RTE TV chat show (either LLS or whatever Saturday show of the time) with Ezra.. and it would have been about six or seven years ago, not that long ago... Can anybody correct me on this?

Sunnyisland · 31-07-2011 12:25PM

Bock the Robber wrote: »

I'm only answering the question.

Apoligies there,;)

copacetic · 31-07-2011 12:26PM

JonathanAnon wrote: »

I thought that too copacetic, but I was nearly sure I saw him on some RTE TV chat show (either LLS or whatever Saturday show of the time) with Ezra.. and it would have been about six or seven years ago, not that long ago... Can anybody correct me on this?

And in the link to interview with Joe Jackson above he seems to claim their relationship ran for 26 years also. Which would be 1975-2001. Can't have it both ways.

expectationlost · 31-07-2011 12:35PM

bobbly molloy tried to contact the judge directly there's huge difference difference to that and given a letter to the defence for the judge as part of the hearing.

if i as the defence i would have snipped out all the unsolicited advise about law to the judge and just submitted the character reference

later12 · 31-07-2011 12:43PM

Norris now claims that his "26 year relationship" lasted 10 years and ended in 1985. That's just incredible. I was not even born in 1985, and yet I have seen Norris with this man (irl) who was understood to have been his lover, and David Norris has been on the airwaves referring to his long relationship with Ezra Nawi, which I got the impression was a more recent affair, (Does anyone else remember that clip, the one where Norris mentions walking down Grafton street, seeing Ezra, and later bumping into him in a bar). The Joe Jackson interview is also at odds with Norris's new version of events in this regard.

northkildare · 31-07-2011 12:46PM

dont see the big deal about this, the boy was 15, 15 and 40yr olds do this in the clubs in dublin every night.

I agree with Dn on this issue and proud to see him sticking to his guns.
Its not uncommon to see this on the gay scene in dublin.

Gay people cannot adopt children and i hope DN sticks to his guns and changes the law, Dn and his ex partner should have been given the right to adopt just like all the other good people in the gay community, Atleast then we could rare kids to understand how we feel and give them more understanding of the issues. DN has still got my vote.

HarryPotter41 · 31-07-2011 12:51PM

northkildare wrote: »

dont see the big deal about this, the boy was 15, 15 and 40yr olds do this in the clubs in dublin every night.

I agree with Dn on this issue and proud to see him sticking to his guns.
Its not uncommon to see this on the gay scene in dublin.

Gay people cannot adopt children and i hope DN sticks to his guns and changes the law, Dn and his ex partner should have been given the right to adopt just like all the other good people in the gay community, Atleast then we could rare kids to understand how we feel and give them more understanding of the issues. DN has still got my vote.

This post has pretty much left me speechless with incredulity

northkildare · 31-07-2011 12:57PM

If you met DN more people would understand he is a great guy, He has given us more rights and just because one 15yr in another country claimed one thing shouldnt change the goodness in DN

later12 · 31-07-2011 12:57PM

northkildare wrote: »

dont see the big deal about this, the boy was 15, 15 and 40yr olds do this in the clubs in dublin every night.

(1) I doubt that, and (2)It's statutory rape. What makes you think the boy was happy about what happened?

Phoenix Park · 31-07-2011 01:00PM

northkildare wrote: »

dont see the big deal about this, the boy was 15, 15 and 40yr olds do this in the clubs in dublin every night.

I agree with Dn on this issue and proud to see him sticking to his guns.
Its not uncommon to see this on the gay scene in dublin.

Gay people cannot adopt children and i hope DN sticks to his guns and changes the law, Dn and his ex partner should have been given the right to adopt just like all the other good people in the gay community, Atleast then we could rare kids to understand how we feel and give them more understanding of the issues. DN has still got my vote.

reeled a few in there buddy

tayto lover · 31-07-2011 01:01PM

northkildare wrote: »

dont see the big deal about this, the boy was 15, 15 and 40yr olds do this in the clubs in dublin every night.

I agree with Dn on this issue and proud to see him sticking to his guns.
Its not uncommon to see this on the gay scene in dublin.

Gay people cannot adopt children and i hope DN sticks to his guns and changes the law, Dn and his ex partner should have been given the right to adopt just like all the other good people in the gay community, Atleast then we could rare kids to understand how we feel and give them more understanding of the issues. DN has still got my vote.

I don't think Ezra's interest was in adopting the young lad. Also for you to think that there's nothing wrong with a 40 year old having sexual relations with a boy of 15 is nothing short of astounding. The law disagrees with you.

JonathanAnon · 31-07-2011 01:07PM

Joe Jackson will be on the Radio 1 Sunday News show after the break..

They also say that Stephen Donnolly is still backing Norris, but has criticised his use of Senate resources for personal issues..

northkildare · 31-07-2011 01:07PM

I don't think Ezra's interest was in adopting the young lad. Also for you to think that there's nothing wrong with a 40 year old having sexual relations with a boy of 15 is nothing short of astounding. The law disagrees with you.

Maybe DN is right and law needs to be changed, My gay friends all agree laws need a serious overhaul in this country. and when DN steps up to the mark he gets run over.

JonathanAnon · 31-07-2011 01:22PM

Even Joe Jackson, who defended David Norris on Liveline against Helen Lucy Burke's accusations, is distancing himself from Norris now.. He called him a "stupid romantic"...

later12 · 31-07-2011 01:24PM

Joe Jackson also says he knows of 2 more impending controversies which may break, but was unwilling to explain further on RTE Radio just now.

Sir Oxman · 31-07-2011 01:29PM

This annoys me - why is Joe Jackson sitting on two other controversies when as a journalist he should be informing the public?
Waiting to drip-release them and then cash in by writing a book?

later12 · 31-07-2011 01:44PM

Jackson is clearly a friend of Norris as well as a biographer, so I assume he would rather Norris to break these stories himself.

They will have to come out sooner or later, it's inevitable if Norris wishes to stay in the race/ get in the race.

JonathanAnon · 31-07-2011 02:01PM

later10 wrote: »

Jackson is clearly a friend of Norris as well as a biographer, so I assume he would rather Norris to break these stories himself.

The weekend after the Liveline row between Joe Jackson and Helen Lucy Burke, Helen Lucy Burke's side of the argument was fully substantiated by John Waters.. This wasnt hugely covered in the media.. But I always felt that Norris never dealt fully with the issue..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8bOIP1lDik

I think the fact that Jackson is now distancing himself from Norris is more demonstrative of the damage the current controversy is doing to Norris than the Senators abandoning him..

HarryPotter41 · 31-07-2011 02:14PM

JonathanAnon wrote: »

The weekend after the Liveline row between Joe Jackson and Helen Lucy Burke, Helen Lucy Burke's side of the argument was fully substantiated by John Waters.. This wasnt hugely covered in the media.. But I always felt that Norris never dealt fully with the issue..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8bOIP1lDik

I think the fact that Jackson is now distancing himself from Norris is more demonstrative of the damage the current controversy is doing to Norris than the Senators abandoning him..

Thanks for that post, really shows some judgement issues on the part of David Norris on some of his views on things.

Sir Oxman · 31-07-2011 02:19PM

Also, I don't buy that Norris never thought of this incident during the HLB post-mortem yet in the Sindo he says he compartmentalised it because it was so painful / it happened so long ago / nobody knew this was coming.

He was embroiled in a controversy pertaining to pedarasty and implicitly mentioning an older man with a younger boy and yet in the aftermath of this and amidst the post-mortem, which I presume is to ensure there are no more landmines for his campaign, doesn't remember the Ezra incident which is specifically about an older man with a younger boy?

If Jackson is giving Norris even more of a grace period for him to come clean on the other secret issues, he shouldn't hold his breath and do the public a service as a so-called journalist and release the stories.
Or stop calling himself a journalist.

JonathanAnon · 31-07-2011 02:25PM

HarryPotter41 wrote: »

Thanks for that post, really shows some judgement issues on the part of David Norris on some of his views on things.

coincidentally, I've just downloaded The Dunphy Show from this morning and John Waters is on it again.. he makes a link between the views expressed that article and Norris' letter in defence of Ezra Yihztak... Waters asserts that Norris may have made those remarks about pederasty to create a context for justifying his writing of the letter in the future.. A sort of "insurance policy" is what Waters calls it.. I will upload the section later..

ilovesleep · 31-07-2011 02:27PM

I didn't read through this thread. I like David Norris because he is open minded and liberal. I must admit I haven't been following the controversy around him. What is it all about?

HarryPotter41 · 31-07-2011 02:29PM

JonathanAnon wrote: »

coincidentally, I've just downloaded The Dunphy Show from this morning and John Waters is on it again.. he makes a link between the views expressed that article and Norris' letter in defence of Ezra Yihztak... Waters asserts that Norris may have made those remarks about pederasty to create a context for justifying his writing of the letter in the future.. A sort of "insurance policy" is what Waters calls it.. I will upload the section later..

Didn't catch the show this morning, it all does suggest a thought process on the issue of the age of consent which troubles me as much as his blatant abuse of his office when sending the letter and the blatant egotism that oozed from his description of himself in those letters. The reference of Waters to the omerta with regard to certain people is very valid too, this man can seem to do no wrong and many media seem willing to ignore the issue or gloss over it.

HarryPotter41 · 31-07-2011 02:31PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

I didn't read through this thread. I like David Norris because he is open minded and liberal. I must admit I haven't been following the controversy around him. What is it all about?

It is imcumbent upon everyone to educate themselves about public figures in Ireland and see what views they hold ( and his are beginning to appear to be very very liberal ) so goodle and judge for yourself rather than get the biased opinion of any of us in here who hold our own viewpoints

Harry Angstrom · 31-07-2011 02:34PM

gambiaman wrote: »

This annoys me - why is Joe Jackson sitting on two other controversies when as a journalist he should be informing the public?
Waiting to drip-release them and then cash in by writing a book?

I wonder would Joe Jackson be so keen to sit on these controversies if they involved a priest?

I can never take that guy seriously when I hear him speak with that affected mid-Atlantic accent of his. Where was he born? Dublin or Detroit? :rolleyes:

Listening to all this stuff emerging over the past few days, I think a few journos should now be apologising to Helen Lucy Burke after she was torn to shreds by the media a few months ago.

Sir Oxman · 31-07-2011 02:48PM

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

I wonder would Joe Jackson be so keen to sit on these controversies if they involved a priest?

I can never take that guy seriously when I hear him speak with that affected mid-Atlantic accent of his. Where was he born? Dublin or Detroit? :rolleyes:

Listening to all this stuff emerging over the past few days, I think a few journos should now be apologising to Helen Lucy Burke after she was torn to shreds by the media a few months ago.

I know journalism sits on hundreds of stories, a lot of them through fear of the very onerous libel laws in this little state specifically set up to protect the wealthy and powerful, but Jackson ought to man up after his slip up on Radio 1 - protection of his favoured Presidential hopeful isn't doing him any favours.

Unless he's afraid of a libel lawsuit from Norris...

Caraville · 31-07-2011 04:22PM

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

I wonder would Joe Jackson be so keen to sit on these controversies if they involved a priest?

I made almost this exact point on a thread in AH- not about Jackson, but as regards people's view of Norris in general.

If a priest used his position to influence the sentence of someone convicted of the same crime as Mr. Yizhak, people would be calling for heads to roll, and rightly so. I'm not quite sure why there would be almost universal outrage at the actions of a priest if he did this, but hesitation to react similarly at the same actions by Norris.

What Norris has done is downright morally wrong- and even with the best of intentions, shows political weakness- which is reason enough for me as to why I will not be voting for him.

Peleus · 31-07-2011 05:13PM

cavedave wrote: »

Where X is Bertie Ahern, Michael Lowry, Michael Healy Rae, Charles Haughey and every Bishop who sought to reduce the consequences of one of their priests committing statutory rape.

How do you decide who is a good guy and a bad guy if not by their actions? "The world's politicians seem to be all cheats and liars nowadays. I don't know why but i trust X' character. I know he's honest and most importantly intelligent." How much do we know things when the evidence says different?

I like Norris. I would have voted for him. And now I have that damn CSI tune stuck in my head

Ok i only read the full 8 pages there and i can see why people take issue with it. I'd like to hear in full what he has to say on the matter. And i hope the pasts of the other candidates get investigated and criticised equally.

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