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David Norris for President....would you vote for him?

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  • #2432
    UglyBolloxFace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭UglyBolloxFace


    Thomas828 wrote: »
    I live in the North and I've never heard of this David Norris. Is he any relation to Chuck Norris?

    Yeah, third cousins, twice removed.


  • #2433
    mikemac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,968 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    He let Liveline damage him by staying silent for too long and doing the same here

    Even the bould Bertie went on RTÉ for a live interview, shed a few tears and answered questions.

    Was a better tactic then staying silent and letting momentum gather


  • #2434
    UglyBolloxFace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭UglyBolloxFace


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    Front page of the sun says 15

    'The Sun' is not a valid source.


  • #2435
    goat2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,935 ✭✭✭goat2


    Dilynnio wrote: »
    I only left Boards for a few weeks and I am dumb founded to believe that this debate is still going on!

    Look at the poll you dumb wits! People want him!

    :rolleyes:
    the operative word now is, people wanted him, we will have to wait and see what is to come in the next week


  • #2436
    Absurdum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,444 ✭✭✭Absurdum


    UglyBolloxFace wrote: »
    'The Sun' is not a valid source.

    The Herald said 15 as well, they're at least a notch above the Sun in the credibility ranks

    http://www.herald.ie/news/fresh-scandal-hits-norris-campaign-as-key-aides-resign-2835827.html


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  • #2437
    The Left Hand Of God
    Closed Accounts Posts: 413 ✭✭The Left Hand Of God


    Absurdum wrote: »
    Una can get back to telling her followers how drunk she is and what ****ty bands she went to see.

    I followed for a couple of days. :D


  • #2438
    Sonnenblumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭Sonnenblumen


    Biggins wrote: »
    ...And again I state, that if Norris tried to seek clemency for a convicted child abuser, I will most definitely re-assess my support of him.

    That's just 'sitting on the fence' waffle, 're-assess my support" my arse. He can't come clean and you my friend can't make a decision.

    Game, set and over for the Senator.:(

    BTW, a huge disappointment to many prospective supporters/voters (me included), but DN has lost all credibility at this stage.


  • #2439
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Sonnenblumen wrote: »
    That's just 'sitting on the fence' waffle, 're-assess my support" my arse. He can't come clean and you my friend can't make a decision.
    With respect, see my additional comment 8 posts back. :)


  • #2440
    Absurdum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,444 ✭✭✭Absurdum


    Wouldn't seeking clemency from Israel for someone accused of (pro-Palestinean) political activity be akin to blasting piss into the wind?

    just sayin


  • #2441
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,353 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    The Left Hand Of God wrote: »
    Regardless I hope @UnaMullally Una Mullally and @OrlaithFoley Orlaith Ni Fhoghluand reap all the benefits of using twitter to spread word of their "resignations" from the campaign.

    I really do hope it comes back to bite both of them on their asses and no one ever uses them on a campaign again.

    Serves them right.

    Do you mean no one dodgy should use them in their own campaign? Or people should only use twitter for compliments?


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  • #2442
    Da Shins Kelly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    Wow, some people in the background doing some dirty work. It seems some people really don't want him to even get the nomination. The smear campaign continues, and I think it can be pretty much guaranteed that this wouldn't be happening if he wasn't gay.


  • #2443
    The Left Hand Of God
    Closed Accounts Posts: 413 ✭✭The Left Hand Of God


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    Do you mean no one dodgy should use them in their own campaign? Or people should only use twitter for compliments?

    I simply mean they are twats for broadcasting that type of information via twitter and I hope it comes back to bite them both in the ass.


  • #2444
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Biggins wrote: »
    Thats a question neither of them have yet answered but as it turns out, they might have wrongly jumped ship too early?
    See above.


    As an aside, David Cochrane has posted on politics.ie that 'grassroots' Norris supporters have abandoned the campaign in the past day.
    http://www.politics.ie/forum/irish-presidential-election-2011/166628-norris-campaign-imploding-irish-times-3.html#post4161621


  • #2445
    The Left Hand Of God
    Closed Accounts Posts: 413 ✭✭The Left Hand Of God


    Da Shins Kelly wrote: »
    Wow, some people in the background doing some dirty work. It seems some people really don't want him to even get the nomination. The smear campaign continues, and I think it can be pretty much guaranteed that this wouldn't be happening if he wasn't gay.

    I really personally don't think it has to do with his sexuality.

    There was always going to be a campaign against him, like all the rest. That is the nature of politics.

    You really do have to be whiter that white in these matters. I reckon I could be pretty good at it and would have loved to have got into politics, in general (not this presidency) but I know that is never going to happen due to the amount of crap that could be thrown at me.


  • #2446
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,956 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    Da Shins Kelly wrote: »
    Wow, some people in the background doing some dirty work. It seems some people really don't want him to even get the nomination. The smear campaign continues, and I think it can be pretty much guaranteed that this wouldn't be happening if he wasn't gay.

    I don't think it's cause he's gay. I think it's because he was the most well known and "popular" candidate; he was the guy to beat. Because he was the most visible in the media, so too was he the biggest target. His sexuality is just a side to him that's visible and thus easy to attack sometimes...


  • #2447
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    gambiaman wrote: »
    As an aside, David Cochrane has posted on politics.ie that 'grassroots' Norris supporters have abandoned the campaign in the past day.
    http://www.politics.ie/forum/irish-presidential-election-2011/166628-norris-campaign-imploding-irish-times-3.html#post4161621
    ...And they might be right/have justification to do so.
    I, myself am awaiting for clarity (proof) to the one area of where clemency was applied for.
    That will decide if I further support Mr Norris.


  • #2448
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Biggins wrote: »

    (On a side note, is anyone else finding boards.ie very slow in responding to clicks?)


    Yep. The last few days it's been pretty slow.


  • #2449
    UglyBolloxFace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭UglyBolloxFace


    Da Shins Kelly wrote: »
    Wow, some people in the background doing some dirty work. It seems some people really don't want him to even get the nomination. The smear campaign continues, and I think it can be pretty much guaranteed that this wouldn't be happening if he wasn't gay.

    This is not about the man being gay.

    But if you look at it like this:

    If he weren't gay he wouldn't have been asked his nor probably had an opinion on the whole Greek paedophilia thing.

    Puts things into perspective, no?


  • #2450
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Teamshadowclan wrote: »
    I think it's because he was the most well known and "popular" candidate; he was the guy to beat. .

    Not the first time a dirty tricks campaign was used against a favorite candidate in an Irish presidential election.
    gambiaman wrote: »
    Yep. The last few days it's been pretty slow.

    The "recent posts by" user facility is not updating anymore


  • #2451
    doomed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭doomed


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Not the first time a dirty tricks campaign was used against a favorite candidate in an Irish presidential election.

    Cui Bono?


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  • #2452
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Not the first time a dirty tricks campaign was used against a favorite candidate in an Irish presidential election.


    Mike1972 how is dirty tricks, He has an opinion on all that greek episodes that a lot of people found distasteful, now he is alleged to writing letters for a convicted paedophile, At first i was voting for him, after the greek episode i wobbled a little, after the interview with boards.ie was back with him, Now i am certainly not voting for him and by his actions he has damaged the gay community a lot more imo.


  • #2453
    tfitzgerald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,289 ✭✭✭tfitzgerald


    I think he should pull out of the race now I used to like him but not any more


  • #2454
    Lady Chatterton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    realies wrote: »
    Mike1972 how is dirty tricks, He has an opinion on all that greek episodes that a lot of people found distasteful, now he is alleged to writing letters for a convicted paedophile, At first i was voting for him, after the greek episode i wobbled a little, after the interview with boards.ie was back with him, Now i am certainly not voting for him and by his actions he has damaged the gay community a lot more imo.
    You have just summed up exactly how I feel. I'm so disappointed, I was really hoping that he would go the distance but I couldn't vote for him after today's revelations. I don't understand how he thought it was appropriate to use Seanad paper when writing to appeal for clemency for his former partner. I am also so annoyed that he hasn't given an interview today to RTE news giving his version of events.


  • #2455
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,370 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    realies wrote: »
    Mike1972 how is dirty tricks, He has an opinion on all that greek episodes that a lot of people found distasteful, now he is alleged to writing letters for a convicted paedophile, At first i was voting for him, after the greek episode i wobbled a little, after the interview with boards.ie was back with him, Now i am certainly not voting for him and by his actions he has damaged the gay community a lot more imo.

    Just on that point, Zawi was not convicted at the time. The letters were written before the trial began. I think Norris was foolish to involve himself in the matter, and even more so to use official stationary for the purpose of writing the letter.

    This whole thing apparently came to light and got legs after the guy wrote a blog entry about Zawi's history. That guy has his own obvious agenda.


  • #2456
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Just on that point, Zawi was not convicted at the time. The letters were written before the trial began...
    A small but a possible significant point that might allow Norris to reclaim some personal credibility.

    As you say "I think Norris was foolish to involve himself in the matter, and even more so to use official stationary for the purpose of writing the letter."
    ...I have to agree. On that ALONE I would not withdraw total support but if he sought to seek clemency for a sex crime rather than one that is political in nature (given the full aspect of a Israel/Palestinian picture), I would without question also withdraw support for him.


  • #2457
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Just on that point, Zawi was not convicted at the time. The letters were written before the trial began. I think Norris was foolish to involve himself in the matter, and even more so to use official stationary for the purpose of writing the letter.

    This whole thing apparently came to light and got legs after the guy wrote a blog entry about Hawaii's history. That guy has his own obvious agenda.


    Ok apologies, He is a very intelligent man and in politics a long time surly he knew that this would come back to haunt him Before he went for the presidency.He knows the dirt and closets that are opened in elections,He should not have put himself forward.


  • #2458
    The Left Hand Of God
    Closed Accounts Posts: 413 ✭✭The Left Hand Of God


    tfitzgerald wrote: »
    I think he should pull out of the race now I used to like him but not any more


    According to twitter and the "pink vine" that is a possibility for tomorrow....


  • #2459
    Duddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭Duddy


    Bearing in mind that he would be the one to sign new bills into law, its bad that Norris tried to use his position as an Irish Senator to appeal for clemency for someone in a different country, and in a separate judicial system. He simply shouldn't have gotten involved at that point, or perhaps written a reference of good character for his former partner if asked to by the court.

    Having said that, the incident can't rule out all the good that Norris has done for the country. This is the man who fought on behalf of all homosexual Irish citizens, using a good portion of his own cash to do so, in Norris V Ireland.

    It could be a smear campaign, but it probably isn't, no more than any front-running candidate would face in an election. Reporters need to eat too:P


  • #2460
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    While I will admit this does look bad for Norris, like Biggins and others I will reserve judgement until he has had the chance to defend himself and it is made clear exactly what he was looking for clemency for.

    I find it difficult to believe it could have been for child abuse to be honest but we will wait and see.


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  • #2461
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,370 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    realies wrote: »
    Ok apologies, He is a very intelligent man and in politics a long time surly he knew that this would come back to haunt him Before he went for the presidency.He knows the dirt and closets that are opened in elections,He should not have put himself forward.

    Definitely +1 to that. I'd say he's telling himself that right now. Hindsight is a great thing though. I personally don't think I'll lose much respect for the man, even if it turns out that he did seek clemency for Dawi. I don't think he would have done so for selfish reasons, but because he truly believed that it was the right thing to do at the time. He's probably too honest and forthright for his own good.

    If nothing else, him filling in for Vincent Browne from Tuesday night will be interesting! If he has the stomach to go ahead with it after this.


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