Games taken off shelves after Oslo killings

Turpentine · 30-07-2011 01:51AM

o1s1n wrote: »

I'm sure he used forks too. They probably thought him how to stab. Ban forks!!!

Forks don't stab people, nutjobs do.

From my cold dead dinner-eating-hands.

Le King · 30-07-2011 02:01AM

If they believe that these games are influencing these people into to going out on sprees then I'd like to see the proof. It's more likely he is simply nuts. Surely providing funding for better research into this area is required rather than taking a game off a shelf. Most likely, Norway will step up efforts to pass violating privacy laws quickly while the people grieve as per every other situation like this.

Chap was an absolute delusional nutter. This behavior could have potentially have been spotted at a younger age before manifesting to it's current level.

Craebear · 30-07-2011 02:13AM

****ing retarded.

raveni · 30-07-2011 02:17AM

More often than not the people who blame video games for this sort of thing don't play them themselves. I think it's largely people looking for something that sets the murderer apart from "normal" (normal to them) people, people don't like to think a killer could have been remotely normal or similiar to them so they look for things like this that set him apart from themselves. It's become nothing more than a trend to blame video games.

Turpentine · 30-07-2011 02:30AM

raveni wrote: »

More often than not the people who blame video games for this sort of thing don't play them themselves. I think it's largely people looking for something that sets the murderer apart from "normal" (normal to them) people, people don't like to think a killer could have been remotely normal or similiar to them so they look for things like this that set him apart from themselves. It's become nothing more than a trend to blame video games.

There's no empirical data that can conclusively link computer-games/music/film/any form of entertainment to these kind of atrocities, or can cite them as causation for the acts themselves.

These scumbags are always either result of plain insanity, or how they react to the way they were treated as children, or how they react to the way they think society perceives them.

Then, people that don't like or understand (

) try and use it as an excuse to blame (

).

Personally, I blame reality television. I've no proof, but I just plain don't like Simon Cowell, or having to hear how some "Celebrity" gave a horse a handjob for cash.

Tehachapi · 30-07-2011 02:36AM

They should ban computers also, he used a computer to make his manifesto documents and post on right-wing forums. Actually better ban typewriters and pen/paper also just to be sure. Yes. That'll do.

Turpentine · 30-07-2011 02:40AM

Tehachapi wrote: »

They should ban computers also, he used a computer to make his manifesto documents and post on right-wing forums. Actually better ban typewriters and pen/paper also just to be sure. Yes. That'll do.

Ssshhhh.

You'll have them banning **** next. That bloke is definitely a wanker.

Happyman42 · 30-07-2011 02:49AM

Gilligan.Mark wrote: »

MW2 doesn't show you how to reload a gun. You press the "x" button and the game does the reloading. you dont learn anything. You train yourself to press a button, wow, that doesn't help in real life. (not trying to be a mocking to you Yakult, it more for others)

It's not a training simulator in any way shape or form. In real life there's so many aspects that you dont get in a game, you dont need to worry about long shots (elevation, distance, etc), recoil of a gun, bullet drop, wind etc.

I play MW2 and BF2 and loads of other war games and watch ever war movie i can, and i'm fine, . Why? because I am of sound mental mind. i was raise properly and learned the difference between right and wrong and TOLERANCE of another race or religion or what ever.

so I would like to give a giant F U to all the morons out there who blames video games for all the worlds problems. Sit with your god damn kids and raise them right or dont have kids. and if all else fails for the good of mankind, go out and earn yourself a Darwin Award.

........just put down the baby and give me the gun.......steady now.............steady........

wonderfulname · 30-07-2011 02:56AM

the titles affected by Coop Norway's decision include... World of Warcraft

Forget Call of Duty, that's understandable, I'm sure the Norwegian Joe Duffy was up in arms over it, but WoW? That's just bloody hilarious!

Sonics2k · 30-07-2011 02:58AM

wonderfulname wrote: »

Forget Call of Duty, that's understandable, I'm sure the Norwegian Joe Duffy was up in arms over it, but WoW? That's just bloody hilarious!

He was clearly pissed off about the latest patch changes!!

To tasteless?

Turpentine · 30-07-2011 03:01AM

wonderfulname wrote: »

Forget Call of Duty, that's understandable, I'm sure the Norwegian Joe Duffy was up in arms over it, but WoW? That's just bloody hilarious!

It'd at least be understandable if he had gone around dressed as a high elf or something. A ridiculous "moral" decision alright.

Good marketing decision though (and one not made by the producers of the game).

Tehachapi · 30-07-2011 03:01AM

Sonics2k wrote: »

He was clearly pissed off about the latest patch changes!!

To tasteless?

FFS, very tasteless. I'd never go Oslo as that.

Turpentine · 30-07-2011 03:05AM

Sonics2k wrote: »

To tasteless?

Are you asking me out?

Killer Pigeon · 30-07-2011 03:07AM

Let's face it. MW2 and World of Warcraft are on the two side of the same stupid monotonous coin when it come to games being released over the past couple of years.

I mean look, Call of Duty hasn't changed much since the first Modern Warfare game and MW3 looks like it's going to be the same old tripe again. After seeing some footage I could throw Battlefield 3 into the same category too.

I couldn't really care less if Norway decides to ban them to be honest. On the up-side, it might stop the male population becoming less productive and getting hooked on video games while their minds turn to mush.

LighterGuy · 30-07-2011 03:12AM

Last I heard GTA4 sold millions of copies. But yet there hasnt suddenly been millions of people stealing cars, running over or shooting people.

Turpentine · 30-07-2011 03:14AM

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Let's face it. MW2 and World of Warcraft are on the two side of the same stupid monotonous coin when it come to games being released over the past couple of years.

I mean look, Call of Duty hasn't changed much since the first Modern Warfare game and MW3 looks like it's going to be the same old tripe again. After seeing some footage I could throw Battlefield 3 into the same category too.

I couldn't really care less if Norway decides to ban them to be honest. On the up-side, it might stop the male population becoming less productive and getting hooked on video games while their minds turn to mush.

In fairness I don't think turning the brains of their male population to mush is part of the agenda.

I do wonder if they have a ban on Child's Play 3. A similar ban cured Britain of all its psychos in 1992.

wonderfulname · 30-07-2011 03:16AM

Turpentine wrote: »

Good marketing decision though (and one not made by the producers of the game).

As bad as it makes the game look to outsiders, claims (however wrong they are) that CoD is of such high quality it can be used as a training simulation for real life situations is going to do the franchise wonders with their target audience.

On that point, the games are 18s already, surely better regulation of the market and informing parents that just because something is called a "game" doesn't mean you should buy it for your ten year old child makes more sense than ripping the things off the market?

Then again I never re-enacted the gameplay in Streets of Rage so maybe it doesn't even matter... now that I mention it hopping down a street sideways extending my arm and yelling kitchAW does sound like fun...

SuperInfinity · 30-07-2011 03:18AM

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

On the up-side, it might stop the male population becoming less productive and getting hooked on video games while their minds turn to mush.

Do you ever get an awful empty feeling...

in your head?

I can only imagine that this retailer is doing it for publicity, doing it because the games didn't sell well in their particular stores or didn't look so good to parents anyway (someone mentioned Smyths toys, perhaps these are a toy company for children?), or some other reason totally unrelated to the incident.

Equium · 30-07-2011 03:18AM

Placing the blame for atrocities such as those in Norway on games is ridiculous. People don't commit such acts because they've seen it on a TV monitor, but instead because they are just plain evil/insane. After all, I don't remember Hitler playing COD...

Turpentine · 30-07-2011 03:21AM

wonderfulname wrote: »

As bad as it makes the game look to outsiders, claims (however wrong they are) that CoD is of such high quality it can be used as a training simulation for real life situations is going to do the franchise wonders with their target audience.

On that point, the games are 18s already, surely better regulation of the market and informing parents that just because something is called a "game" doesn't mean you should buy it for your ten year old child makes more sense than ripping the things off the market?

Then again I never re-enacted the gameplay in Streets of Rage so maybe it doesn't even matter... now that I mention it hopping down a street sideways extending my arm and yelling kitchAW does sound like fun...

If something is banned it automatically piques interest.

The target audience is already receptive to such a game, and if they haven't played it already might decide to check it out.

Some of them might decide not to go postal.

SuperInfinity · 30-07-2011 03:31AM

I think that barring ones involving strangulation or something like that, the debate about violent videogames is pretty much over. For first person shooters it's over.

Forget about getting in a rage, the heated discussions, the passionate appeals to logic, NOBODY but NOBODY thinks fps games cause it anymore. People with children play the games themselves, and if they don't they know people who do.

Back when I was 10 or 11, we got the N64 and got every game for it we could. It didn't matter that you had to be 18 for some. My friend's parents were the most uptight, tidy, correct, Ned Flanders type parents you could possibly imagine (the dad was a police officer), and they got him Goldeneye which is a realistic shooter.

That was for the very first shooters that were being released. This debate is over and has been for a long time now. No serious people would ever make this claim about videogames nowadays. In 1997, it wasn't a totally and absolutely stupid head banging off the wall issue, it was a decent one because we did not know about specific at-risk children. Now it's over with, with some extra help from the ridiculousness of Jack Thompson.

wonderfulname · 30-07-2011 03:34AM

Turpentine wrote: »

Some of them might decide not to go postal.

Just realised I sound quite like I'm lending credence to the idea that games create psychos, sorry about that, I'm not at all, it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, I play the games myself and see them as an interactive war movie, especially now that they're so short and have a relatively small % of actual gameplay... I wonder what people would say if he credited a selection of Vietnam movies as training videos?

johnmcdnl · 30-07-2011 03:39AM

He claims he's on a crusade sort of job

hence ban film's such as Kingdom of Heaven no??? anything that may show any sign of hatred against Muslims or immigrants or anything..

but no blame video games because some nut job plays call of duty... just like 20 million other people... :mad::mad: I don't even like COD but it's a ****ing joke that video games are blamed nowadays for every lunatic's actions...

SuperInfinity · 30-07-2011 03:40AM

wonderfulname wrote: »

Just realised I sound quite like I'm lending credence to the idea that games create psychos, sorry about that, I'm not at all, it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, I play the games myself and see them as an interactive war movie, especially now that they're so short and have a relatively small % of actual gameplay... I wonder what people would say if he credited a selection of Vietnam movies as training videos?

He didn't mention games any more than movies, books or others, he mentioned them much less in fact. He mentioned about four games he played and that was it. He claimed he had a lot of success in World of Warcraft.

If he wrote in his manifesto "Call of Duty caused me to do this", it still wouldn't matter. The man was crazy, come on. Again: I don't think anyone is blaming videogames, people are just coming up with this non-issue because they like getting raged at other people's alleged stupidly.

Duggy747 · 30-07-2011 03:49AM

CoD is about as realistic and detailed as a Micheal Bay film.

It's been acknowledged that games had nothing to do with this, it's actually pretty damn evident if anyone cares to read his manifesto.

But, the media will feed of this tidbit of information while they wait for more news on this case.

Turpentine · 30-07-2011 03:54AM

Duggy747 wrote: »

CoD is about as realistic and detailed as a Micheal Bay film.

It's been acknowledged that games had nothing to do with this, it's actually pretty damn evident if anyone cares to read his manifesto.

But, the media will feed of this tidbit of information while they wait for more news on this case.

In that case the authorities should racially profile all 20-foot-tall robots from now on. You can't be too careful.

jill_valentine · 30-07-2011 04:02AM

Pff. That's the kind of typical knee jerk reactionary response would have put Optimus Prime in Guantanamo.

wonderfulname · 30-07-2011 04:03AM

SuperInfinity wrote: »

If he wrote in his manifesto "Call of Duty caused me to do this", it still wouldn't matter. The man was crazy, come on. Again: I don't think anyone is blaming videogames, people are just coming up with this non-issue because they like getting raged at other people's alleged stupidly.

I agree, as by the looks of it does everyone here, but the wonders of heavily biased media mean that the same story can be reported in a number of different ways, and some people are thick enough to believe anything. Some people will take this the wrong way.

Case in point:

Virtual classes of cold-blooded killing

...A constant theme from the survivors of the Norwegian incident was how the killer was unhurried, methodical and cold, seemingly desensitised to the fact he was killing human beings. Modern Warfare 2 is exactly that.

The players display, like Breivik, all the cruelty of those bent simply on killing. They move with the unhurried arrogance of people enjoying the ultimate power imbalance shared by terrorists or those bent on genocide on unprepared, unarmed and innocent victims. I made the point at the time that the game would never be used in SAS training because it didn't demand restraint in the use of force, or mercy, both required of soldiers.

But the games industry maintains it's just a game.

It seems Breivik is smarter than that. In one of his blogs he said: "I see Modern Warfare 2 more as part of my training simulation than anything else."

Whatever may prove to be his state of mind, he seems to understand this issue better than not just the games industry that produces them but even Home Affairs Minister Brendan O'Connor and some of our state attorneys-general: it's not a game, it's a simulator.

Military simulators aim to achieve two things when teaching killing. The first is weapons handling skill: the ability to shoot accurately in a range of situations.

The second necessary function of military training simulation is to break down the natural aversion every human being has, to some degree, to killing another human being....

Now that we have today's development I'd be interested to see if other publications follow this line of thought. The above is clearly agenda pushing, as is this interesting but irrelevant little piece from turkey, but as I say not everyone is as knowledgeable and clued in as you'd like to think.

Helix · 30-07-2011 04:04AM

are they gonna ban every movie he watched, food he ate, clothing label he wore and music he listened to as well? absolutely pathetic

wonderfulname · 30-07-2011 04:09AM

Helix wrote: »

are they gonna ban every movie he watched, food he ate, clothing label he wore and music he listened to as well? absolutely pathetic

As in my little link above, he used the internet, and so proponents of internet censorship in turkey have decided the internet makes kids build bombs, can't fault the logic in that :rolleyes:

Games taken off shelves after Oslo killings

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