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The assumption that you like GAA because you're from ''that part the country

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  • #62
    Liam Byrne
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    Witchie wrote: »
    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Which Gaelic Football team were they going to join over there? London?

    Ha ha. :D

    Well you said "football" and

    In America that means American Football
    In Oz that means Aussie Rules
    In Ireland that means Gaelic Football

    Basically the word means the national version of the game wherever it's being used.

    If you meant soccer you should have said so.


  • #63
    c_man
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    Wouldn't we all have certain assumptions about parts of the country e.g.

    - guy from Limerick will probably know his rugby
    - Kilkenny people mad about their hurling
    - Celtic support being the de facto religion of Donegal
    - Cork people just loving Cork in general

    The above are safe enough topics to bring up with them for smalltalk (the last one being an absolute certainty to be true).


  • #64
    Dudess
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    later10 wrote: »
    What GAA fans actually have a disdain for brit culture?
    Ah there are some, no doubt about it.


  • #65
    stovelid
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    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Which Gaelic Football team were they going to join over there? London?

    There are plenty of GAA clubs in England.


  • #66
    later12
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    Dudess wrote: »
    Ah there are some, no doubt about it.
    Of course, there are also some soccer, rugby, deer stalking and marbles fans who would share their sentiment, I don't see why it ought to be be a case of "so many of the rabid GAA fans" specifically.


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  • #67
    stovelid
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  • #68
    Dionysus
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    later10 wrote: »
    What GAA fans actually have a disdain for brit culture?

    In fairness, I'm a GAA fan and if I were to waste enegy on 'disdaining' something many aspects of British culture would be up there - such as the cringeworthy militarism, the warmongering and 'poppy' glorification of imperial wars across the world, the all-consuming royalist cult of a truly peasant underclass, the ineffably dreadful British tabloids, the jingoistic and xenophobic British rightwing, and so on.

    As far as I'm aware, most people make distinctions between positive and negative aspects of all cultures. It would be ethically and intellectually questionable to not oppose the above aspects of British culture.

    Long may thinking people everywhere disdain them.


  • #69
    stovelid
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    Dionysus wrote: »
    In fairness, I'm a GAA fan and if I were to waste enegy on 'disdaining' something many aspects of British culture would be up there - such as the cringeworthy militarism, the warmongering and 'poppy' glorification of imperial wars across the world, the all-consuming royalist cult of a truly peasant underclass, the ineffably dreadful British tabloids, the jingoistic and xenophobic British rightwing, and so on.

    As far as I'm aware, most people make distinctions between positive and negative aspects of all cultures. It would be ethically and intellectually questionable to not oppose the above aspects of British culture.

    Long may thinking people everywhere disdain them.

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  • #70
    later12
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    Dionysus wrote: »
    In fairness, I'm a GAA fan and if I were to waste enegy on 'disdaining' something many aspects of British culture would be up there - such as the cringeworthy militarism, the warmongering and 'poppy' glorification of imperial wars across the world, the all-consuming royalist cult of a truly peasant underclass, the ineffably dreadful British tabloids, the jingoistic and xenophobic British rightwing, and so on.
    I think many British people would argue that these are not truly components of British culture, and would regard them just as negatively as most Europeans would. There are much more palatable aspects of British culture. Yes you are correct that the modern British society is not all peppermint and roses - but again this is a near universal position on which everyone agrees.

    The point is that there is no reason why antipathy toward British culture should be a particular feature of a lot of GAA fans, compared with a non GAA enthusiastic cohort.


  • #71
    Irish Guitarist
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    I'm very open minded about sport myself. I think it's all equally crap.

    Having said that I wouldn't think someone is a moron just because they enjoy it. Some of the younger hurling players can be morons though. I often see them going around beating the hell out of everything they walk past with their hurley.

    By the way, you should probably stay away from Philadelphia.


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  • #72
    stovelid
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    Irish Guitarist wrote: »
    Some of the younger hurling players can be morons though. I often see them going around beating the hell out of everything they walk past with their hurley.

    They must they're cúl or something.


  • #73
    Liam Byrne
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    stovelid wrote: »
    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Which Gaelic Football team were they going to join over there? London?

    There are plenty of GAA clubs in England.

    I know that.....I only listed a single one because I had a sneaking suspicion that (s)he didn't actually mean football.


  • #74
    Bogsnorkler
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    Go On Quazzie!


  • #75
    Malari
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    I'm in Cork and don't know if they are supposed to be good at the ball one or the ball and stick one. My friends know I'm clueless and dont care, even though one of them is a huge Gah-head.

    It's when a customer I'm on the phone to says something like "ah, have you got over the slagging from the weekend?" and to avoid being completely ignorant and putting them off with my lack of love for GAA, I'm scrambling around on Google, trying to find out some results from the weekend.

    Sigh, when will one of them want to discuss motorsport...?


  • #76
    Dionysus
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    Irish Guitarist wrote: »
    I'm very open minded about sport myself. I think it's all equally crap.

    Having said that I wouldn't think someone is a moron just because they enjoy it. Some of the younger hurling players can be morons though. I often see them going around beating the hell out of everything they walk past with their hurley.

    By the way, you should probably stay away from Philadelphia.

    hehe. I am absolutely delighted that some of the kids I know are going around hitting everything they walk past with the camán - God only knows what some of them would be hitting with it otherwise. I couldn't be more serious. All sport serves a great purpose in this regard.


  • #77
    Witchie
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    I meant the only football that is of importance to me and the other form you talk off uses hands more than feet so in my opinion is misnamed.


  • #78
    stovelid
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    Bogsnorkler wrote: »
    Go On Quazzie!

    You only get 25 thanks a day I think. :)


  • #79
    Duffy the Vampire Slayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,385 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    Witchie wrote: »
    Maybe coz I know plenty of victims of their backwards ways including Shamrock Rovers (Thomas Davis case), 2 of our players almost having their careerw in England playing football ruined by pressure being put on them to line out for some Gah game, some of our female footballers being kicked off teams or threatened coz they play "soccer" and a county footballer being threatened his career would be over if he did an FAI coaching course that would help his career as a teacher. Thats the tip of the iceberg, have plenty more evidence of their attitudes stinking if you want more. Small minded bigots.

    Well if thats what goes on in Monaghan, then I think Monaghan people are the problem, not the GAA. Most of my GAA teammates also play for the local soccer club, and in some cases the same people are in involved in coaching in both clubs. Hostility between the two codes ended a long time ago and it sounds like people in your area should grow up.

    Oh and as for the Thomas Davis case, nice way to smear all of the organisation with the activities of one club.


  • #80
    Witchie
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    Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »
    Well if thats what goes on in Monaghan, then I think Monaghan people are the problem, not the GAA. Most of my GAA teammates also play for the local soccer club, and in some cases the same people are in involved in coaching in both clubs. Hostility between the two codes ended a long time ago and it sounds like people in your area should grow up.

    Oh and as for the Thomas Davis case, nice way to smear all of the organisation with the activities of one club.

    Well since this has been mainly my experience then that is all I can comment on.


  • #81
    Liam Byrne
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    Witchie wrote: »
    I meant the only football that is of importance to me and the other form you talk off uses hands more than feet so in my opinion is misnamed.

    Yeah, that American Football lark lets them use their hands a bit too much alright.

    Still, if a yank used the word "football" everyone would - correctly IMHO - assume that he meant their code, even if it was of no importance to him personally.

    Then again, it appears to be only in Ireland where people want to actually shun our native version by hijacking the name, rather than simply being content with their perfectly valid dislike of it.


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  • #82
    stovelid
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    Quazzie's ma is dirty


  • #83
    Witchie
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    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Yeah, that American Football lark lets them use their hands a bit too much alright.

    Still, if a yank used the word "football" everyone would - correctly IMHO - assume that he meant their code, even if it was of no importance to him personally.

    Then again, it appears to be only in Ireland where people want to actually shun our native version by hijacking the name, rather than simply being content with their perfectly valid dislike of it.

    I'm not American, I call it American Football. I was born in the UK, and I call "soccer" Football. The other point is that both names are used here regularly. I have never heard anyone say am "going to the pub to watch the soccer" they say they are going to watch the football. Tomaaato Tomato, doesnt change the fact that in my area they are arrogant a-holes.


  • #84
    Liam Byrne
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    Witchie wrote: »
    I'm not American, I call it American Football.

    My point exactly. The only people that don't specify the code are the people the relevant country. The rest of the world specifies the code by using the country's name or a variation of same - e.g. Aussie Rules.

    Since you're not in America, you call it American Football. Someone in America would - because that's where they're based - simply refer to it as "football", because it's their country's version.
    Witchie wrote: »
    I was born in the UK, and I call "soccer" Football.

    Well at least you have some excuse so. Although I know that if you had moved to America or Australia instead of Ireland you wouldn't get away with keeping the word in your native meaning.

    But it's strange that you chosen not to adopt your adopted country's terminology. If you say "I'm going to the capital" do you mean a trip to London ?
    Witchie wrote: »
    I have never heard anyone say am "going to the pub to watch the soccer" they say they are going to watch the football.

    Well I have regularly heard this said, and I have regularly heard people say that they have a soccer match in the morning.

    I have genuinely never, ever, heard anyone say that they were going to the pub to watch "football" when they are actually going to watch a soccer match.

    Then again, given the tone of your complaints, I don't think you'd be hanging around with anyone likely to have a differing view to you, which might explain your limited experience.

    I can only guess that you are now based in Dublin, because that's the county that likes to look east and suffers from the worst examples of the inferiority complex that cause it to pretend that it's part of Britain.


  • #85
    jimthemental
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    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Pathetic :rolleyes:

    Mind you, since you consider coursing a sport.......

    The Limerick thing was a joke, I love the place and I really miss the time when I lived there for college.

    As for your second point; it is a sport whether you agree or not.


  • #86
    Witchie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,597 ✭✭✭Witchie


    Wrong, I live in Monaghan and very presence of British society has caused many problems here but that doesnt mean that a sport, that may have been born in the UK, cannot be my favourite sport. I think this country has to living in the past and grow up a bit.

    Oh and more people play "soccer" than play Gaelic Football in Ireland so would think that would mean it should be called football but that again is just my opinion.

    As for "the tone of my complaints" etc, I do happen to be very good friends with people who follow GAA, and know people who are involved with both football and gaelic in my town so you are again very wrong there. That said, they will generally say they are going to the pub to watch the football and if pressed may then differentiate.

    You dont know me so you cant know who I hang around with but then it doesnt surprise me that someone who is such a GAA would be so arrogant to assume they know everything anyways.


  • #87
    Liam Byrne
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    jimthemental wrote: »
    The Limerick thing was a joke, I love the place and I really miss the time when I lived there for college.

    Fair enough, but don't give up the day job.....jokes are meant to be funny, or at least humorous.
    jimthemental wrote: »
    As for your second point; it is a sport whether you agree or not.

    Yes I disagree. Wholeheartedly. Some people view cockfighting as a sport, but I don't have to agree with them either.


  • #88
    Liam Byrne
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    Witchie wrote: »
    Wrong, I live in Monaghan and very presence of British society has caused many problems here but that doesnt mean that a sport, that may have been born in the UK, cannot be my favourite sport. I think this country has to living in the past and grow up a bit.

    At absolutely no stage did I suggest that it "cannot be your favourite sport".

    Rugby is my favourite sport, but I still refer to that as rugby and not "rugby football" or "football".
    Witchie wrote: »
    Oh and more people play "soccer" than play Gaelic Football in Ireland so would think that would mean it should be called football but that again is just my opinion.

    Another red herring. The word is used to refer to the national game; nothing to do with its popularity levels.
    Witchie wrote: »
    As for "the tone of my complaints" etc, I do happen to be very good friends with people who follow GAA, and know people who are involved with both football and gaelic in my town so you are again very wrong there. That said, they will generally say they are going to the pub to watch the football and if pressed may then differentiate.

    Why "press" them ? They've said what they said. In fact, you must know that there's a question mark / potential misunderstanding in order to "press" them. They know you misuse the word, so they indulge you by "clarifying".

    Anyway, how are you "very good friends with" people whom you earlier called "savages" ? What do those "good friends" think of you using phrases like "bog irish sport" ?
    Witchie wrote: »
    You dont know me so you cant know who I hang around with but then it doesnt surprise me that someone who is such a GAA would be so arrogant to assume they know everything anyways.

    I'm not "such a gaa", so kettle, pot on the assumptions. You started a thread about, and wrote off, people who assume that you like football and hurling; it wasn't a massive stretch to assume that - since those piss you off so much - you didn't associate with them, particularly when you call them "savages" and mentioned that no-one in your social circle refers to soccer as soccer.

    If I was wrong, then fair enough. But - unlike your miles-off-the-mark assumption of "such a GAA" - it was a relatively fair assumption, especially since you referred to GAA followers as "savages" earlier; I know I wouldn't be friends with someone who spouted rubbish like that.

    I am a major fan of rugby, soccer, football, hurling and have an interest in a few other sports.


  • #89
    Witchie
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    dienbienphu wrote: »
    why the fcuk do some people presume you like the gaa because you're from the country? 75 percent of the conversations i have with strangers always end up on the topic of the gaa. some of these idiots make stupid assumptions like ''oh you must be mad into hurlen if you're from there?'' thats normally when the conversation dies for me as such assumptions are a good indication of an individuals intellect. personally, i never liked hurling (or hurlen as the irish savage calls it) or football or any other bog irish sport. its a part of ireland i have no interest in and the one which i want no association with. could you imagine if that was the answer i gave every time some moron asked me that question?

    ^^^^^^^^^

    I am not the OP, did not call anyone savages or any such nonsense, apology will be accepted.
    Liam Byrne wrote: »

    Why "press" them ? They've said what they said. In fact, you must know that there's a question mark / potential misunderstanding in order to "press" them. They know you misuse the word, so they indulge you by "clarifying".

    I don't press them, I meant if someone asks if its Tyrone v Donegal or Liverpool v Man Utd, they will distinguish. If you knew my mates you would know indulging me would be the last thing they would do.

    Oh and sorry for the typo, meant to say "Gaa fan" in last post.

    I have no problem with people liking Gaelic, just don't see how coz I am from a county that loves it that I should have to constantly put up with their insular and up until very recently, sectarian boarding on racist, attitudes.


  • #90
    py2006
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    Hi all,

    I created a thread that was locked about the GAA! If anybody would like to respond via PM that would be great!

    With regards to the OP, I am guilty of assuming people from the country are big GAA fans. Its a bit of a stereotype alright but I get a similar reaction from foreigners when I say I don't like Guinness!! :eek:


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  • #91
    Cill Dara Abu
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    sollar wrote: »
    I have no interest in GAA but i'm jumping on the bandwagon for a few weeks now while Donegal are in the Quarter finals :D.

    On the topic of assumptions - I've been asked before who do you support Liverpool or Man Utd. As if they were the only 2 options.
    A few weeks??

    Haha 2 days left so...


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