Bill O'Reilly: No True Christian would kill Norwegians.

Mance Rayder · 28-07-2011 02:08PM

Thou Shalt not kill. As moses claimed.

Jesus never said anything about christians. For the record he never mentioned gay people, or abortion. Don't let people fool you. Those who claim to be "followers of Christ" while spouting injust crap are simply deluded or lying.

I believe in God through Christ. If you want to laugh and snigger and call me a christian you can but I don't really care either way. For me, my spiritual and moral beliefs have nothing to do with church's, religions and priests etc. They have to do with my life, and my experiences.

Just because people tick the "catholic" or "christian" box does not mean they can't be evil Fu***rs . Priests included.

We are all just people and some people are inherently evil, they don't have to know it themselves, they might think they are doing it in the name of religion "A" or "B" but in fact they are just evil people.

I don't know where people get off saying God cant be real because Mr X done something horrible and he's supposed to represent God.

No-one represents God except Christ. Anyone who claims to represent God is lying. Anyone who murders 10's of innocent people is evil regardless of persuasion. His actions reveal his nature.

I don't wish to debate with athiests on gods existence as it's inexplicable, I just wanted to make my point. The murderer in Oslo is evil pure and simple.

seamus · 28-07-2011 02:12PM

The beauty of religion is that it can never deny that someone is part of their religion because it always allows for "sin". A sinning christian is still a Christian no matter how greivous the sin.

Without the "sometimes you fall" clause, religion would inherently fail because of the impossibility of maintaining the standards required ad infinitum.

I'm sure we could find some sin - pride or gluttony or such - that Bill himself is guilty of. Is he therefore not a christian?

Mance Rayder · 28-07-2011 02:22PM

seamus wrote: »

The beauty of religion is that it can never deny that someone is part of their religion because it always allows for "sin". A sinning christian is still a Christian no matter how greivous the sin.

Without the "sometimes you fall" clause, religion would inherently fail because of the impossibility of maintaining the standard requirement ad infinitum.

I'm sure we could find some sin - pride or gluttony or such - that Bill himself is guilty of. Is he therefore not a christian?

Every human sins, religion and Faith are two seperate things. Religion makes no odds in a persons goodness or badness. It's real repentance and understanding of our wrong doing that can save us. most of us know in our hearts what is right and wrong, it is the seed Christ planted in our hearts. Those who don't are considered psychotic, The inability to feel empathy allows them to commit such acts of violence against innocent people.

AhSureTisGrand · 28-07-2011 02:27PM

A priest tried to tell me about planting Christ's seed in me once. I ran outta there like bejaysus I did

Alopex · 28-07-2011 02:29PM

robindch wrote: »

He may or may not have been.

. . .

As for the Church and science, it is essential that science takes an undisputed precedence
over biblical teachings. Europe has always been the cradle of science and it must always
continue to be that way.
Regarding my personal relationship with God, I guess I’m not an excessively religious
man. I am first and foremost a man of logic. However, I am a supporter of a
monocultural Christian Europe.
Quote:
A majority of so called agnostics and atheists in Europe are cultural conservative
Christians without even knowing it. So what is the difference between cultural Christians
and religious Christians?
If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious
Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship
with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social,
identity and moral platform. This makes us Christian.

Think that settles it to be honest.

What is not in doubt is that he used christianity, and the perfection it claims for itself and the false divisions that it, and other religions, create to legitimize his obscenity in his own diseased mind.

Not sure what you mean here. Just looked like a crazy or idiotic or both man who wanted to attack the system. I haven't read the full manifesto, if you could flesh out that point a bit more I would be interested to hear your views

robindch · 28-07-2011 02:30PM

CiscoStudent wrote: »

Thou Shalt not kill. As moses claimed.

Christians have traditionally had quite a flexible interpretation of that commandment:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_10c9.htm

Pygmalion · 28-07-2011 02:30PM

CiscoStudent wrote: »

Every human sins, religion and Faith are two seperate things. Religion makes no odds in a persons goodness or badness. It's real repentance and understanding of our wrong doing that can save us. most of us know in our hearts what is right and wrong, it is the seed Christ planted in our hearts. Those who don't are considered psychotic, The inability to feel empathy allows them to commit such acts of violence against innocent people.

So before Christ no-one had any concept of right and wrong, and people are Psychotic because Christ didn't give them this seed (why would he do this?)?

Sarky · 28-07-2011 02:32PM

CiscoStudent wrote: »

most of us know in our hearts what is right and wrong, it is the seed Christ planted in our hearts.

So you don't think people would know the difference between right and wrong if Jesus hadn't put it there? How does that explain the millions of Hindus and Buddhists and all the religions that came along way before Christ? Were they just christians who never realised that it was all because of a man who wouldn't be born for hundreds of years after they were dead (and probably gone to Hell for not believing in someone who wouldn't exist until then, too)?

Dermo · 28-07-2011 02:36PM

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

If there was ever a true Christian he died on a cross two thousand years ago

If you are talking about the guy I think you are talking about, he was a jew.

edit: (to stay on topic) Can we allow personal attacks on Bill O'Reilly please? He does deserve it.

Mance Rayder · 28-07-2011 02:53PM

Sarky wrote: »

So you don't think people would know the difference between right and wrong if Jesus hadn't put it there? How does that explain the millions of Hindus and Buddhists and all the religions that came along way before Christ? Were they just christians who never realised that it was all because of a man who wouldn't be born for hundreds of years after they were dead (and probably gone to Hell for not believing in someone who wouldn't exist until then, too)?

You clearly dont understand me, read what I wrote properly before replying. There are no Christians. Just people. All sorts of people. Christ was speaking the word of god, who created all things . I don't think hinduism or buddhism or cristianity has anything to do with it. Opinions don't matter, therefore religious denomination is null and void. God is god. simple as.

Mance Rayder · 28-07-2011 02:57PM

robindch wrote: »

Christians have traditionally had quite a flexible interpretation of that commandment:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_10c9.htm

Well Christians can think what they want in my opinion. As can Moslims etc. My Opinion and faith in god is my own regardless. However, if someone claims to be "Christian" then that does not mean they cannot interpret scripture to suit there world view. That is the problem with religion. Thankfully , I am not religious.

Mance Rayder · 28-07-2011 03:03PM

Pygmalion wrote: »

So before Christ no-one had any concept of right and wrong, and people are Psychotic because Christ didn't give them this seed (why would he do this?)?

Actually before Christ people did know the difference. Christ was speaking Gods truth which is eternal. I don't know why he would allow evil in the world, why don't you ask him yourself.

Doctor DooM · 28-07-2011 03:05PM

CiscoStudent wrote: »

Actually before Christ people did know the difference. Christ was speaking Gods truth which is eternal. I don't know why he would allow evil in the world, why don't you ask him yourself.

If it's eternal, why did God's message change between the new and old testament?

Mance Rayder · 28-07-2011 03:10PM

Doctor DooM wrote: »

If it's eternal, why did God's message change between the new and old testament?

Well I never said Gods message did not change. I meant God is eternal, sorry if I was not clear enough .Why wouldn't it change? When your a kid your parents tell you there is a Santa to make you behave, then when your older you realise that there isn't. So Maybe to guide humanity the way he wanted them to evolve. Maybe it's what they needed at the time for whatever reason. To prepare humanity, at least some of them, to be ready to receive the final prophet. Christ.

Anyway I don't have all the answers I am merely speculating. Believe what you want and if it's nothing then your welcome to it. I'm not your stereotypical Christian. I don't even know If I could be considered a Christian by institutional standards, and I don't particularly care.

Dades · 28-07-2011 03:33PM

CiscoStudent wrote: »

Well I never said Gods message did not change. I meant God is eternal, sorry if I was not clear enough .Why wouldn't it change? When your a kid your parents tell you there is a Santa to make you behave, then when your older you realise that there isn't.

Your parents wouldn't murder your neighbours so you could all move into their house. It's that type of OT mentality that's glossed over with the NT.

Mance Rayder · 28-07-2011 03:36PM

Yeah I agree much of the old testament is pretty messed up. Frankly I don't really care much about the OT its probably mostly waffle. Most of the NT is probably waffle also as far as I know. Its just a book. I don't worship a book. The Gospels mean something to me of course.

I pretty much agree with the sentiments of this song by Matt Johnson/The The.

http://homepage.mac.com/agraham999/iblog/B652642334/C1357654378/E1141690958/

Or if you can't be bothered :

"The world is on its elbows and knees
It's forgotten the message and worships the creed"

oldrnwisr · 28-07-2011 03:44PM

CiscoStudent wrote: »

Yeah I agree much of the old testament is pretty messed up. Frankly I don't really care much about the OT its probably mostly waffle. Most of the NT is probably waffle also as far as I know. Its just a book. I don't worship a book. The Gospels mean something to me of course.

What elevates the Gospels above the rest of the NT? How come they're not lumped in with the waffle?

Mance Rayder · 28-07-2011 03:50PM

oldrnwisr wrote: »

What elevates the Gospels above the rest of the NT? How come they're not lumped in with the waffle?

I said it's probably waffle for all I know. Not that it is waffle.
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John contain teachings allegedly spoken by Jesus himself. I believe this for the most part, they are probably paraphrased in places but the message is fairly consistant.
Anyway, I don't base my belief on the Bible.

oldrnwisr · 28-07-2011 03:57PM

CiscoStudent wrote: »

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John contain teachings allegedly spoken by Jesus himself.

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liamw · 28-07-2011 04:22PM

CiscoStudent wrote: »

Anyway, I don't base my belief on the Bible.

What is the source of your belief then? It's not Yahweh. What god is it? One you just made up?

Mance Rayder · 28-07-2011 05:11PM

one I was born with.

magicbastarder · 28-07-2011 05:13PM

CiscoStudent wrote: »

it is the seed Christ planted in our hearts.

that is the weirdest perversion i have yet heard of.
i suppose, if you're omnipotent, you'd be able to shag anything you wanted.

magicbastarder · 28-07-2011 05:16PM

CiscoStudent wrote: »

one I was born with.

you mean the one your parents were born with.
or else you were just lucky that you happened to be born into the 'right' religion.

Mance Rayder · 28-07-2011 09:21PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

that is the weirdest perversion i have yet heard of.
i suppose, if you're omnipotent, you'd be able to shag anything you wanted.

why do you have to sexualise it? I think that says more about you then about me.

Mance Rayder · 28-07-2011 09:23PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

you mean the one your parents were born with.
or else you were just lucky that you happened to be born into the 'right' religion.

READ MY POSTS PROPERLY.

I dont have religion. My parents are non religious. Ive always known there is a god, I was born with this knowledge as far as I am concerned, thats my belief and I am entitled to it. Now if you have anything constructive to say say it, otherwise, keep it to yourself or address someone else.

Turtwig · 28-07-2011 09:30PM

CiscoStudent wrote: »

Thou Shalt not kill. As moses claimed.

Jesus never said anything about christians. For the record he never mentioned gay people, or abortion. Don't let people fool you. Those who claim to be "followers of Christ" while spouting injust crap are simply deluded or lying.

I believe in God through Christ. If you want to laugh and snigger and call me a christian you can but I don't really care either way. For me, my spiritual and moral beliefs have nothing to do with church's, religions and priests etc. They have to do with my life, and my experiences.

Just because people tick the "catholic" or "christian" box does not mean they can't be evil Fu***rs . Priests included.

We are all just people and some people are inherently evil, they don't have to know it themselves, they might think they are doing it in the name of religion "A" or "B" but in fact they are just evil people.

I don't know where people get off saying God cant be real because Mr X done something horrible and he's supposed to represent God.

No-one represents God except Christ. Anyone who claims to represent God is lying. Anyone who murders 10's of innocent people is evil regardless of persuasion. His actions reveal his nature.

I don't wish to debate with athiests on gods existence as it's inexplicable, I just wanted to make my point. The murderer in Oslo is evil pure and simple.

Thou shalt not kill indeed. Here is the thing though, you warn me not to let other people fool me so I presume that means I should carry the same level of skepticism towards your post as well? You say no one represents God except Christ, the thing is Christ never wrote anything down, not a single word, so why should I trust you, are you a follower of Christ? Or worse are you mistakenly trying to sway me away from the true path of Christ with your good intentions? Anyone could claim to be God, or be representing Him, how can you know they are lying if you're not God yourself?

MagicMarker · 28-07-2011 09:31PM

CiscoStudent wrote: »

READ MY POSTS PROPERLY.

I dont have religion. My parents are non religious. Ive always known there is a god, I was born with this knowledge as far as I am concerned, thats my belief and I am entitled to it. Now if you have anything constructive to say say it, otherwise, keep it to yourself or address someone else.

How were you born with a belief in god? Do you remember believing in god when you were born?

What a ridiculous thing to say.

ironingbored · 28-07-2011 09:33PM

philologos wrote: »

From Brevik's manifesto:
“If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform.”

"It's not bad enough that he is a mass murderer, but he is a moral relativist also!"

Papa Ratzinger

Mance Rayder · 28-07-2011 09:37PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

How were you born with a belief in god? Do you remember believing in god when you were born?

What a ridiculous thing to say.

In your opinion. I however think otherwise. Live with it.

seamus · 28-07-2011 09:40PM

CiscoStudent wrote: »

I was born with this knowledge as far as I am concerned, thats my belief and I am entitled to it.

Yeah, I'm going to guess that you're pretty young. Wait until you or a family member actually have children, you'll realise that you're born with practically no innate knowledge.
Your body doesn't even know how to do some of its core functions at birth - like temperature regulation and vision. The idea that a knowledge of God exists from birth is just completely off the wall.

Bill O'Reilly: No True Christian would kill Norwegians.

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