RAW 25/7/11 Thread - New Champion Crowned? Spoilers

grames_bond · 27-07-2011 03:21PM

rovert wrote: »

From the F4W newsletter:

Sad that WWE is still WWE, booking hour by hour.

I wonder what the ****ty match Punk would have had instead. Him vs Nexus?

what i got from that is that in the end WWE made the right decision! Not in the best manner but at least they did it!

(jesus punk vs. nexus would have been all kinds of sh!te)

I was astonished on twitter with the amount of people complaining that no talent Otunga wasnt on the show (he retweeted every damn one of them) any one know if this was some sort of sick joke?

Lord TSC · 27-07-2011 03:46PM

Given how many millions watch WWE, there's always going to be a percentage with weird tastes in wrestlers (I'm looking at ye lot, Chris Master fans).

parker kent · 27-07-2011 03:57PM

Gerard.C wrote: »

To be fair though, some of the reactions in this thread are ridiculous. There is just no pleasing some people. I havent read the raw thread for a while and decided to after Punks return, youd wonder why some people watch it at all though. Its the same thing every time, Turn Cena Hell, Attitude Era, I hate PG... jesus sing a new song like.

But ya, Raw was unreal. Del Rio had a lovely scarf this week.

Yeah because "Turn Cena Hell, Attitude Era, I hate PG" is an accurate summary of what people are saying :rolleyes:

People are free to praise or complain about a show as much as they want. Raw has been praised a lot on the past few weeks and rightly so. But this weeks events smack of typical WWE booking. An entire month could have been got out of Rey/Cena at Summerslam. Instead Rey has the most pointless WWE title reign possible, thus ruining the previous few months efforts rebuilding the prestige of the WWE title.

Ditto the waste of Punk's return. If he returned at Summerslam (an advertised return if needs be as I said earlier), then it would have seemed bigger. Instead he missed one Raw. So frakking what.

If people see something, stupid they should be allowed to say so. That does not mean that there is "no pleasing some people".

rovert · 27-07-2011 04:02PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Given how many millions watch WWE, there's always going to be a percentage with weird tastes in wrestlers (I'm looking at ye lot, Chris Master fans).

Im currently all about Dashing Rachel on Cage Side Seats:

http://www.cagesideseats.com/2011/7/5/2261670/bleacher-report-a-site-for-jerks

http://www.cagesideseats.com/2011/7/10/2268351/the-twisted-mind-of-cody-rhodes-smackdowns-most-despised-superstar

http://www.cagesideseats.com/2011/7/21/2287408/backstage-heat-on-cody-rhodes

DM_7 · 27-07-2011 04:10PM

Any chance of Miz going against HHH is some form at Summerslam after the promo he cut this week?

CMpunked · 27-07-2011 04:12PM

DM-ICE wrote: »

Any chance of Miz going against HHH is some form at Summerslam after the promo he cut this week?

Probably not.
I can see him getting into a verbal war of words and he is treated like crap or something by trips.

DM_7 · 27-07-2011 04:15PM

CMpunked wrote: »

Probably not.
I can see him getting into a verbal war of words and he is treated like crap or something by trips.

But where is the pay off? Unless it leads to a match with somebody it would be pointless.

JP Liz V1 · 27-07-2011 04:17PM

DM-ICE wrote: »

Any chance of Miz going against HHH is some form at Summerslam after the promo he cut this week?

WWE are trying to put Miz in a match with a celeb at Summerslam

DM_7 · 27-07-2011 04:22PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

WWE are trying to put Miz in a match with a celeb at Summerslam

But its on August 14 the which is pretty soon and they have already

announced celebrity involvement which I would guess means they didn't find anyone for him to wrestle

ricero · 27-07-2011 04:30PM

how about in next weeks raw thread while its on live there should be a ban on negativity

JP Liz V1 · 27-07-2011 04:35PM

DM-ICE wrote: »

But its on August 14 the which is pretty soon and they have already
announced celebrity involvement which I would guess means they didn't find anyone for him to wrestle

Didnt Miz say he was on the George Lopez show this week

so perhaps it the feud starts there dont know who with maybe George himself

Cianan2 · 27-07-2011 04:36PM

Miz vs David Arquette? Who could they get at this stage?

GTR63 · 27-07-2011 04:38PM

Cianan2 wrote: »

Miz vs David Arquette? Who could they get at this stage?

Dustin "Screech" Diamond or Dust-off Diamond as Danny Bonaduce called him.

CMpunked · 27-07-2011 04:42PM

Anyone complaining about negativity obviously wasn't here over wm season.:pac:

ricero · 27-07-2011 04:47PM

CMpunked wrote: »

Anyone complaining about negativity obviously wasn't here over wm season.:pac:

i did observe the pw forum over mania season it was rough

GTR63 · 27-07-2011 04:47PM

CMpunked wrote: »

Anyone complaining about negativity obviously wasn't here over wm season.:pac:

Was there as much complaining at Mania, I never posted in the huge live mania thread as it was just dizzy with the amount of posts.

CMpunked · 27-07-2011 04:55PM

Put it like this, there were a lot of "oh ffs!" moments.

rovert · 27-07-2011 05:03PM

CMpunked wrote: »

Put it like this, there were a lot of "oh ffs!" moments.

Like when people though Lawler was morally above using his dead mother in angles? :pac:

jaykhunter · 27-07-2011 05:03PM

Outside of HHH/Taker there were a lot of "oh ffs!" moments at Mania. Sure we got the payoff of the feuds TWO months later at .......Over the Limit (Lawler finally won and Cena made Miz quit, ending the fued). Let's not forget our boy Sheamo got bumped to dark match with Daniel Bryan.

Most people here think about wrestling a lot, and love to discuss it. It's what wrestling is about (to us). If you'd rather post-bomb (ie post and immediately leave) that's fine but if something's done wrong, we'll say it. Conversely i'd hope if things are done well, we'll say it. Fantasy booking inevitably creeps in and sharing, honing those thoughts makes wrestling enjoyable. As opposed to "it was great, shut up". lol Sure if i ever need to feel better about TNA i'll read Machismo Fan's thoughts

GTR63 · 27-07-2011 05:11PM

rovert wrote: »

Like when people though Lawler was morally above using his dead mother in angles? :pac:

I genuinely try to forget the entire Cole vs Lawler feud happened.

Dr. Ring · 27-07-2011 07:01PM

This is for the benefit of fans and nay-sayers alike. It's CM Punk in a podcast where he talks about his current angle, who he respects the most in WWE right now, what his aspirations are for the world of wrestling, SummerSlam and so much more.

http://www.grantland.com/podcasts

Tinie · 27-07-2011 07:19PM

Garseys wrote: »

The house show belt has missing Jewels and stuff from it, and it's the exact same size as the HD Belt.

trying to find pics of it at the moment...

Here is a picture of the CM Punk WWE Title anyway

Bounty Hunter · 27-07-2011 09:01PM

HHH aknowledges what Vince did but thats the past and he is all about the future. A lot of changes are to be made, changes that perhaps should have been made a good while ago but in some cases were intentionally held off till the switch over. This will make HHH the man who is giving the fans what they want and will def make him a face man in charge so prepare for more of his comedic routines like with R-Truth. Examples of these changes are JR's return and Zack Ryder getting air/ring time.

There are however some who despite seing themselves as the future of the WWE will not fit into HHH and the fans vision, these are vocal heels like Cole & The Miz. Simply by having them against trips should get the fans on his side and make them more likely to accept his changes and the reasoning WWE give for these changes be they pushing Ryder (Cole can rant about TLIS next week after his humilating loss this week) or HHH bringing back CM Punk.

Again HHH bringing Punk back because he thinks he is the future and what the fans want shouldent be a hard sell. Even the fact that there are CM Punk chants all over the place atm and that he is quite simply the hottest property in professional wrestling should sell that idea along with that HHH thinks that Punk not only can make the company money but restore credability by to start with bringing back the title (could also drop in how he is a great role model being straight edge and all and that he is fixing the mistakes that lead to Vince losing his job).

on top of that then there are a number of ways that the story could evolve be it what Punk got for coming back be that getting his buddies jobs (King of Wrestling, Tyler Black...any former ROH/indie guy) or jobs back (Cabana) or getting trips to pay for his old ROH theme or whatever they want to throw in (Merhcandising, push/card spot, giving time to Ryder on Punks say so etc) or even again going with the doing it for the fans bit giving Punk his wish and booking CM Punk vs SCSA at Mania.

all the above are just examples as is the obvious double turn idea with Punk vs Cena as afterall Punk is already a face and Cena a heel in many of the fans eyes already and as others have said the main problem previously with turning Cena was they had nobody on his level to replace him as the main face, merch seller, media guy etc but perhaps if they handle him right Punk can.

Gerard.C · 28-07-2011 01:27AM

parker kent wrote: »

Yeah because "Turn Cena Hell, Attitude Era, I hate PG" is an accurate summary of what people are saying :rolleyes:

People are free to praise or complain about a show as much as they want. Raw has been praised a lot on the past few weeks and rightly so. But this weeks events smack of typical WWE booking. An entire month could have been got out of Rey/Cena at Summerslam. Instead Rey has the most pointless WWE title reign possible, thus ruining the previous few months efforts rebuilding the prestige of the WWE title.

Ditto the waste of Punk's return. If he returned at Summerslam (an advertised return if needs be as I said earlier), then it would have seemed bigger. Instead he missed one Raw. So frakking what.

If people see something, stupid they should be allowed to say so. That does not mean that there is "no pleasing some people".

Who are you or anyone else on this board to say that WWE wasted Punks return? Should they pander to teh minority of internet fans who no nothing but complain? The reaction Zack Ryder got on Raw is a good indictor of how little the internet matters when it comes to wrestling.

Jesus people and their entitlement to their opinions these days....

28-07-2011 01:36AM

Gerard.C wrote: »

Who are you or anyone else on this board to say that WWE wasted Punks return? Should they pander to teh minority of internet fans who no nothing but complain? The reaction Zack Ryder got on Raw is a good indictor of how little the internet matters when it comes to wrestling.

Jesus people and their entitlement to their opinions these days....

The push Zack is getting and the fact they go on about Twitter and WWE.com constantly would suggest differently tbh...

Gerard.C · 28-07-2011 05:59AM

Liam O wrote: »

The push Zack is getting and the fact they go on about Twitter and WWE.com constantly would suggest differently tbh...

Twitter and wwe.com are works in fairness. The push Zack is getting, fair play to him, but I will never ever in my life pay my hard earned money to see a man take care and spike his hair. The push Zack is getting is also a win over Michael Cole, in fairness.

CMpunked · 28-07-2011 07:03AM

Gerard.C wrote: »

Should they pander to teh minority of internet fans who no nothing but complain?

Danielson winning mitb, Christian and the world title, mysterio not holding onto the belt (lol). Would be indications that they are.
Of course I'm not insinuating that it is the reason why said wrestlers have gotten pushes these last few months.
But danielson got slated since he walked in the door for being an internet darling.

jaykhunter · 28-07-2011 07:20AM

Ger you need to stop complaining about other people. I swear it's all you do here.

By the way, "the internet" was right about Punk, we're right about Danielson and also right about Zack Ryder and Paul Heyman. It's fantastic to be vindicated seeing Punk take over wrestling this past month.

To be fair, the crowd were shít on monday night. Compare it to the last time WWE was in Long Island and Zack was on Superstars. Exact opposite, monster reaction. Even if his pop was half that he's be doing better than most if not all of the mid-carders in WWE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-eLUv3Jeog

With Zack, the internet push for him because we think he can make money, not that he'll make money immediately. He just needs to be exposed on WWE TV and allowed to do his thing. Even if you don't warm to him, I'd bet there's millions who would. Shouldn't being able to please the hardest group of wrestling fans be a good indictor at potential talent?

parker kent · 28-07-2011 07:26AM

Gerard.C wrote: »

Who are you or anyone else on this board to say that WWE wasted Punks return? Should they pander to teh minority of internet fans who no nothing but complain? The reaction Zack Ryder got on Raw is a good indictor of how little the internet matters when it comes to wrestling.

Jesus people and their entitlement to their opinions these days....

Did you ignore the part where I said Raw was praised here for the last few weeks? Does that not fit the point you're trying to make? When Punk had his first of the two awesome promos, you just wrote it off as "indie guy says indie things" when most other people here were saying how fresh and exciting the promo was. Fair enough if you didn't like it, but it clearly raised the profile of wrestling and got more people interested than normal.

It wasn't fresh because of something as banal as "indie guy says indie things", it was because it was the most authentic, passionate, exciting promo in the WWE in the past 10 years. The last few weeks of this angle have continued in the same vein. So the reason I'm disappointed in Raw is not because I feel "entitled" to an opinion or because I'm part of a minority of internet fans who do nothing but complain, it is because I had become genuinely excited that they might be building to something bigger and better than Punk missing one week of Raw and then returning to face John Cena.

The whole angle has been rushed the past 2 weeks from Triple H taking over to Cena "regaining" the title to Punk's return. Who am I to complain about how it was handled? I'm a freaking fan, the person who they are supposed to be making this stuff for. Whilst it seems you don't want anybody to say so, the WWE have wasted numerous golden chances with angles since 2001 (the Invasion and Nexus being the big 2). This seems like it could (note COULD) be added to the list if it ends up as just another feud between Cena and Punk. This was a golden chance to create a new type of fan favourite in CM Punk. This angle had an amazing few weeks before this weeks Raw. Now maybe they'll still pull it off, but to me it seems they have made a big error. Now if you think me saying that means I'm doing nothing but complaining, then there's not much I can really say.

Also, FWIW I have not once said Zack Ryder should be on Raw. Although it is not as if people have been saying put him on Raw and everybody will instantly know who he is and love him. It is that the people who have seen his stuff online feel that were he allowed to say and do the same things on Raw, he'd have a chance to get over. Which given the very real decline in ratings (even allowing for people who watch online) and PPV buyrates, would not be a bad thing for the WWE.

Gerard.C · 28-07-2011 11:17AM

Daniel Bryan won MITB, nobody knows who Bryan Danielson is.

To be honest lads this whole thing has made me just give up on internet wrestling. Ive never seen the fun taken out of something as it has been in these pages. Jesus like. Everybody whinging and then people question the whinging and get attacked. Its nonsense. No offence to anybody, I'm sure yer all lovely people, but this is just not the way anybody should be looking at wrestling. If yer interested in yer ratings and buyrates and stock falling and whatever else, fair play to ya. I've no interest in that. And this thread has made me realise, that, again nothing personal, but ive no interest in anyones opinion on whats happening. I disagree with almost everyone here and I really dont care enough to argue my point. Again nobody in particular, but some of the stuff youd see internet wrestling fans come out with, here and elsewhere, is nothing short of pathetic.
So with that mes amis, I will bid you all adieu. Reading wrestling fans opinions in 2011 is nothing short of tedious. Enjoy raw next week lads

Slan leat

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