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RAW 25/7/11 Thread - New Champion Crowned? *Spoilers*
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I dont know how you can justify writing the whole angle off because you'd hoped for a different end to RAW (which would have been what by the way?). I was initially disappointed with how quickly Punk came back but then again, SummerSlam is right around the corner. Plus we have no idea what is planned for the coming weeks. Punk would not have agreed to show up last night unless there is a bigger picture.
As for his new theme music, I think it's very suited to his personality. I really like his old entrance theme but he has outgrown it. Sure it was perfect when he first came to WWE as this 'punk' (no pun intended) kid coming from the indy circuit to the big time. But now he is a bid-time player and needed a fresh sound. I havent stopped listening to it :cool:
A) I didn't write off the entire angle (you are mistaking annoyance at what I think is an idiotic decision with writing off an angle. You're also missing my sarcasm in that post). Nonetheless it feels like they have wasted a golden opportunity to let an angle build. A bit like how the Nexus angle was continually hacked to pieces last year. Or the Invasion in 2001. Or any other example of short term planning from the past 7 or 8 years.
I'm not saying I'm unhappy because I wanted a different ending to Raw. I think it is idiotic to bring Punk back so soon. Missing one Raw is nothing. If he had been off air for at least 1 month, then the ending of Raw would have been much bigger. The night after Summerslam for example.
C) Read any of the many threads on this for ideas on what I'd do differently. I basically think Punk should have been off air for at least a month and he should have shown up in the crowd at Summerslam.
D) Having Rey win, then lose the title is ridiculous. As has been mentioned, it devalues the WWE title. Which goes against the angle playing up the value of the WWE title.
E) Punk is just an employee (sorry contractor :pac:), he shows up when he is told to show up.
F) The new music is shít. In my opinion.0 -
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parker kent wrote: »I think it is fair to say I wasn't hoping that Raw would go down as it did.
Oh well....not like I was starting to get my hopes up about it being a long-term, game changing angle...
Also, Punk's new theme music sucked. It just doesn't suit and his old theme music was one of the best in the modern era.
I assume this is where your 'sarcasm' was? Whether you were sarcastic or not, you're still writing off the move as being a "game changing angle". Who's to say that next weeks RAW wont be explosive and make this angle even bigger? You dont know whats coming next. Dont over-analyse it. Think more like a fan rather than a critic. I'm sure you're going to tune in next week to see what will happen. And after all, isint that exactly what WWE wants you to do?parker kent wrote: »Nonetheless it feels like they have wasted a golden opportunity to let an angle build. A bit like how the Nexus angle was continually hacked to pieces last year.
If he had been off air for at least 1 month, then the ending of Raw would have been much bigger. The night after Summerslam for example.
Having Rey win, then lose the title is ridiculous. As has been mentioned, it devalues the WWE title. Which goes against the angle playing up the value of the WWE title.
Am I the only one who thought the Nexus angle was dragged out way too long last year? The initial invasion was interesting but after that there wasnt much else going for them. Barrett on the mic was getting annoying and the continuous "gang beatdown" move was getting old. Punk's angle is only beginning. It's not the same thing.
Keeping him off air for a month would have been a good idea (if their second biggest PPV of the year wasnt so close). It wouldn't be a good move, business-wise, to keep their hottest star off the card for SummerSlam. Punk is going to make HUGE money, regardless of whether or not he came back a little too soon for your liking. Rest assured, WWE are not as foolish as people think. Punk now has pulling power because of the reaction he's been receiving. Do you really think WWE wont do what they have to do to keep him as hot as he is right now (said with a Booker T voice)? If done right (of which I am optimistic mainly because of how good Punk is), we could be looking at a modern-day 'Stone Cold' era. Just let it play out.
And I know (and agree) that Rey winning and then losing devalued the WWE title....I was the one who said it
At least we're in agreement there 
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I assume this is where your 'sarcasm' was? Whether you were sarcastic or not, you're still writing off the move as being a "game changing angle". Who's to say that next weeks RAW wont be explosive and make this angle even bigger? You dont know whats coming next. Dont over-analyse it. Think more like a fan rather than a critic. I'm sure you're going to tune in next week to see what will happen. And after all, isint that exactly what WWE wants you to do?
Then why do any of us say anything on here? We're allowed discuss what happens and criticise as we see fit. Same way I praised recent Raws and MITB. I don't really know what you mean by 'you're still writing off the move as being a "game changing angle"'. When I said that, I was sarcastically going overboard. Which I should know by now doesn't translate online. Nonetheless, I feel it is perfectly valid to say that it is disappointing to see Punk back like that. That's not "over analysing".Am I the only one who thought the Nexus angle was dragged out way too long last year? The initial invasion was interesting but after that there wasnt much else going for them. Barrett on the mic was getting annoying and the continuous "gang beatdown" move was getting old. Punk's angle is only beginning. It's not the same thing.
Keeping him off air for a month would have been a good idea (if their second biggest PPV of the year wasnt so close). It wouldn't be a good move, business-wise, to keep their hottest star off the card for SummerSlam. Punk is going to make HUGE money, regardless of whether or not he came back a little too soon for your liking. Rest assured, WWE are not as foolish as people think. Punk now has pulling power because of the reaction he's been receiving. Do you really think WWE wont do what they have to do to keep him as hot as he is right now (said with a Booker T voice)? If done right (of which I am optimistic mainly because of how good Punk is), we could be looking at a modern-day 'Stone Cold' era. Just let it play out.
And I know (and agree) that Rey winning and then losing devalued the WWE title....I was the one who said it At least we're in agreement there
In summary...
The Nexus angle could have been much different. It was continually botched. Hence opinions such as yours.
Long term payoffs are far bigger than short term payoffs. Summerslam being a few weeks away does not mean that he should be brought back like that. If they wanted to cash in on Punk at Summerslam, have Punk "hack" into the live feed on Raw (or get his message out there somehow) and announce he will be at Summerslam. That way people would be interested in seeing him return. Instead we get a rematch from MITB. To me having a rematch of the so-called "most important WWE title match in 50 years" within a few weeks is idiotic. It devalues PPVs (thus leading to the long-term decline in PPV buyrates that the WWE are suffering).
Mentioning Austin brings to mind a point I made in a different thread. Austin became a star because he was consistently booked over 18 months. He got 3 months out of calling Bret Hart out for a match at Survivor Series. They then spent 12 months between Wrestlemania 13 and Wrestlemania 14 building him before putting the WWF title on him. Long-term planning pays off. Blowing your load on a short term moment on Raw does not pay off. If somebody missed last weeks Raw and caught the end of this weeks they wouldn't see anything different. But if Punk had been kept off air for a month and then invaded Summerslam, that would have greatly contributed to making this angle even hotter. Instead it could (I repeat could) become just another feud over the WWE title.0 -
parker kent wrote: »Nonetheless, I feel it is perfectly valid to say that it is disappointing to see Punk back like that.
To me having a rematch of the so-called "most important WWE title match in 50 years" within a few weeks is idiotic. It devalues PPVs (thus leading to the long-term decline in PPV buyrates that the WWE are suffering).
It is perfectly valid and I have already agreed with you. I'm hoping that it was done for a greater picture and that next week something will happen to make us forget about this minor disappointment.
I also agree with your last point. In hindsight, calling it (amazing as it was) "the most important WWE title match in 50 years" was an overstatement given the fact that it was rendered completely irrelevant the minute the tournament was set up. Personally, I'm all for Cena/Punk II if it receives the reception it received at MITB. I guess we cant have it every way. They had a solid, methodical, entertaining wrestling match at MITB which I was delighted with (sick to death of Cena's lazy ringwork). Cena worked hard at MITB which proves that Punk brings out the best in his peers.
On a side note, I dont know if Punk could have this kind of reception with anyone other than Cena though. Cena is the most despised wrestler in WWE by the 18-35 male demographic which suits Punk to a tee. But would Punk be able to carry off a big-time angle like this with anyone else> (I'm genuinely interest in your opinion
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Yeah, a unification match is where this is headed. Maybe then they'll bring in a new title?
I'd love to see them merge the World and WWE titles. As long as the World title is in effect, it will take from the prestige surrounding the WWE Championship.
If there was one title (WWE Championship), both brands would vie for it. So you'd have the WWE Champion on both shows with every WWE superstar going after the same thing. I think that would make the WWE title more significant. They kind of teased it once Brock Lesnar won the Undisputed title in 2002. Sadly they brought in the World title
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jaykhunter wrote: »Gosh Ger, it seems you only come online to give out about other online wrestling fans. What did you think of the show?
It was unreal and Punks return was brilliant. I was also very pleased by the fact that JR is back and the fact that Zack Ryder got no reaction when he came out. I think Punk is very much on the level of Cena and Orton now, he is a genuine star and is going to be very entertaining to watch.
To be fair though, some of the reactions in this thread are ridiculous. There is just no pleasing some people. I havent read the raw thread for a while and decided to after Punks return, youd wonder why some people watch it at all though. Its the same thing every time, Turn Cena Hell, Attitude Era, I hate PG... jesus sing a new song like.
But ya, Raw was unreal. Del Rio had a lovely scarf this week.0 -
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Teamshadowclan wrote: »they rushed him back a bit but I guess they felt they needed to cause there wasn't much else happening. So yeah, I thought it was a good Raw...
Definitely it was a great RAW, just far too much stuff happening; a ridiculous pace that is the opposite of what we're accustomed to. C'mon though, two world title changes, Punk returns, JR returns, JoMo returns, ZR getting a match; tripper's first night in charge, it's all a bit much to cram in one show.
I imagine nay-sayers (myself included) see this as wasted opportunity for better storytelling on a few fronts. Definitely more a critical approach than fan-reaction; a considered perspective rather than just "couldn't wait to start giving out again"; which is quite harsh. Everyone loves marking out and there's little "i must show you how much i know" mentality on pw boards
I must mention that people tend to just remark on more contraversial points or the big stuff as it's expected that we're all generally in agreement. Like when someone just responds to a part of your post, it's likely assumed that he agrees with the rest of the post.
So if someone says "he came back too early" it can be inferred that everyone agrees that "it's awesome to see punk again, but..."0 -
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