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Is David Norris Toast?

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  • #812
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    zuroph wrote: »
    your efforts to troll are commendable.
    Bit disappointing to see someone wearing the ' Moderator' tag throwing out that silly comment ! I Thought Moderators were intended to moderate ?


  • #813
    zuroph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,102 ✭✭✭✭zuroph


    anymore wrote: »
    Bit disappointing to see someone wearing the ' Moderator' tag throwing out that silly comment ! I Thought Moderators were intended to moderate ?

    Im a moderator on the magic forum, not here.

    you're trolling. above you claim norris is whinging about the nomination set up. when its pointed out its some of his supporters, not him, you say he should have spoken out against it. when it was pointed out he did, you said "of course he'd say that"... you're argument is changing by the post, regardless of the information put in front of you, and each time you are presented new evidence, you change your mind about what you want.


  • #814
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    zuroph wrote: »
    Im a moderator on the magic forum, not here.

    you're trolling. above you claim norris is whinging about the nomination set up. when its pointed out its some of his supporters, not him, you say he should have spoken out against it. when it was pointed out he did, you said "of course he'd say that"... you're argument is changing by the post, regardless of the information put in front of you, and each time you are presented new evidence, you change your mind about what you want.
    Perhaps my expectations of how posters displaying the Moderator tag should act are too high - though I am sure most moderators are conscious of the desirability to show good example.
    First of all I havent been presented with any evidence as such. Some posters made reference to remarks made on a radio show, that is all. .
    Much of the attitude I take to Norris now was formed after looking at the interview video, reading some of his own website and other reports of his various comments and remarks. He has, it seems to be me, to be remarkably evasive on quite a number of issues - I will be very ahppy to provide you with evidence of this in the form of direct quotations and web links, do you want me to ?


  • #815
    zuroph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,102 ✭✭✭✭zuroph


    I'm not questioning anything on your views on him with regards to the video interviews. You said he should have spoken out about supporters bemoaning the nomination system, you were brought evidence that he did, and you said "well of course he'd say that"...

    You singlehandedly lambasted him for not speaking out, then for speaking out.

    I also fail to see where any comments I've made on this thread have effected my ability to moderate a magic and Illusion forum, but please do not bring it up here again as it is wildly off topic. If you would like to complain, take it to feedback.


  • #816
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    zuroph wrote: »
    I'm not questioning anything on your views on him with regards to the video interviews. You said he should have spoken out about supporters bemoaning the nomination system, you were brought evidence that he did, and you said "well of course he'd say that"...

    You singlehandedly lambasted him for not speaking out, then for speaking out.

    I also fail to see where any comments I've made on this thread have effected my ability to moderate a magic and Illusion forum, but please do not bring it up here again as it is wildly off topic. If you would like to complain, take it to feedback.
    On a point of order here, I made no comments whatsoever about your ability to moderate your own section and i would like you to acknowledge that.


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  • #817
    zuroph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,102 ✭✭✭✭zuroph


    I explained that I am not a moderator here, and the tag only refers to the magic forum. again you commented
    Perhaps my expectations of how posters displaying the Moderator tag should act are too high - though I am sure most moderators are conscious of the desirability to show good example.

    I am merely a poster on this forum. leave it at that.

    but nevermind, use this "issue" to ignore the fact that you were at the least hypocritical with your posting on this page.


  • #818
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    zuroph wrote: »
    hypnocritical .

    That's what happens when you mess with the magic mod, you get hypno-criticised :D





    >getting coat


  • #819
    zuroph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,102 ✭✭✭✭zuroph


    d'oh! on the brain at the moment!


  • #820
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    zuroph wrote: »
    I explained that I am not a moderator here, and the tag only refers to the magic forum. again you commented

    I am merely a poster on this forum. leave it at that.

    but nevermind, use this "issue" to ignore the fact that you were at the least hypocritical with your posting on this page.

    My posts reveal a frustration and impatience that Mr Norris whom until very recently I beleived to be a cut above the rest of our politicians is in fact shown to be by his very own words little different from them at all and has shown a remarkable talent for evasiveness, Again I can give specific examples of this without even touching on the areas that attracted most negative comment. Shall I ?


  • #821
    ardmacha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭ardmacha


    I've just been listening to Norris with Pat Kenny on RTÉ. On caller asked would he be receiving his pensions from the Senate and TCD, while being President. He said he would, but that he would (somehow) devote the loot to good causes. He said that he would not return them, as the State "squanders money".

    The state has a deficit, and one of the ways it squanders money is paying pensions to people still in State employ. Using the state money so paid for a good cause doesn't make it any better, it is still being used for the wishes of a person rather than the public.

    Norris does not impress.


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  • #822
    RonMexico
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭RonMexico


    But yet he impresses enough to be leading in the polls despite the dedicated smear campaign against him.


  • #823
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    ardmacha wrote: »
    He said he would, but that he would (somehow) devote the loot to good causes. He said that he would not return them, as the State "squanders money".

    He was right.
    The state would piss it up against a bank wall.


  • #824
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,051 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    RonMexico wrote: »
    But yet he impresses enough to be leading in the polls despite the dedicated smear campaign against him.

    Any "dedicated smear campaign" against him is being more than compensated for by his media buddies. They give him an easy ride just like Pat Kenny this morning almost answering the questions for him. Norris is the darling of the media and with their help will have no problem getting the required quota to run for President. I will not be voting for him but i already see him as a shoe-in thanks to the media.


  • #825
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    In fairness, Pat Kenny gives everyone an easy ride for the simple reason is that he is no more than a grossly overpaid, lightweight, jumped up DJ. Despite having started this thread, and not being impressed by a lot of what David Norris has said, I will probably be voting for him such is the low quality of the opposition. President Michael Twee - I think not!


  • #826
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    'St Norris ' has no problem seeing taxpayer's money squandered when it comes to his own pet hobby horses being financed. I have siad it before, if a rural TD like Jackie Healy rae came out with some of the things Norris says, he would be ridiculed.


  • #827
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    It just occurs to me that it seems to me that Norris is seeking to undermine the elected Government by his repeated assertion that any money he would repay would be squandered. At this point I would ask if he even understands what the nature of the relationship between the President and the Government of the day is. This is simply rabble rousing stuff from the man. :eek:


  • #828
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    anymore you seem to be getting rather obsessive; 3 posts in this thread today to keep the pot boiling??
    Mr Norris whom until very recently I beleived to be a cut above the rest of our politicians is in fact shown to be by his very own words little different from them at all and has shown a remarkable talent for evasiveness, Again I can give specific examples of this without even touching on the areas that attracted most negative comment. Shall I ?

    Go ahead - this is probably better than your own evasive tease "He's an X, but I won't tell you why he's an X, would you like me to? " Make a statement, defend it etc just don't bandy unsubstantiated guff about.
    his own pet hobby horses being financed

    Such as?
    Norris is seeking to undermine the elected Government by his repeated assertion that any money he would repay would be squandered

    Norris has been pointing out the waste of public money for years. Just happens that now we are listening....


  • #829
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    MadsL wrote: »
    3 posts in this thread today to keep the pot boiling??

    All the better for Norris. Back in May (in this thread), I said:
    Fortunately, I think these attempts will backfire. I think more voters will think they will look like anti-gay bigotry and back Norris than will believe Norris is some sort of perv and vote against him
    And that's how it seems to have worked out. Norris has moved up the field to be favourite to win.


  • #830
    ray011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16 ✭ray011


    Norris has been pointing out the waste of public money for years. Just happens that now we are listening....

    what about his own salary has he said he will forsake it for an average industrial wage ??


  • #831
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    ray011 wrote: »
    what about his own salary has he said he will forsake it for an average industrial wage ??

    No, why would he do a mad thing like that?


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  • #832
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    MadsL wrote: »
    anymore you seem to be getting rather obsessive; 3 posts in this thread today to keep the pot boiling??


    Go ahead - this is probably better than your own evasive tease "He's an X, but I won't tell you why he's an X, would you like me to? " Make a statement, defend it etc just don't bandy unsubstantiated guff about.



    Such as?



    Norris has been pointing out the waste of public money for years. Just happens that now we are listening....

    I am flattered if surprised that you are a keeping a running count of my posts ? If you feel I am posting to keep the pot boiling, then why are you being obliging ?
    As for evasiveness, what is Mr Norris's position as reagrds legalising abortion in Ireland. I have tried but I cant find any conclusive postion on this on his ' Open Letter'.


  • #833
    reprazant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭reprazant


    Why don't you mail him and ask him directly?


  • #834
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    anymore wrote: »
    I am flattered if surprised that you are a keeping a running count of my posts ? If you feel I am posting to keep the pot boiling, then why are you being obliging ?
    As for evasiveness, what is Mr Norris's position as reagrds legalising abortion in Ireland. I have tried but I cant find any conclusive postion on this on his ' Open Letter'.

    Why would it matter? It isn't as if he'll have any influence over it.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #835
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    ray011 wrote: »
    what about his own salary has he said he will forsake it for an average industrial wage ??
    Norris made it claer on the Boards.ie video that he will not ask for a salary cut - his final comment on it was that any President from " a working class " background might need the money ! This is an appalling comment from a man who has been paid by the taxpayer for all his ' working ' life and show s jsut how removed from reality he is.
    The most bizarre thing though is his attitude to the Presidential salary seems to contradict the attitude he has taken to political salaries in the past ???


  • #836
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    K-9 wrote: »
    Why would it matter? It isn't as if he'll have any influence over it.
    So what happened to the great 'human rights' campaigner ?


  • #837
    newmug
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭newmug


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    No, why would he do a mad thing like that?

    Why wouldnt he? People are calling for all politicians to do this, to keep the gold diggers out and the genuine change-makers in. If he's on about not squandering the state's money, why should the state squander money on giving the president a good time?


  • #838
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    anymore wrote: »
    So what happened to the great 'human rights' campaigner ?

    Well I see views on abortion as personal matters anyway. What's your view on it?

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #839
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    K-9 wrote: »
    Why would it matter? It isn't as if he'll have any influence over it.
    Well it is he who has brought the subject up on his website on the pretext that he was giving his opinion on the subject. But instead of giving an answer, we get the ' Bertie Shuffle ' which repeats some meaningless platitudes but doesn't actually give any real answer. And still he presents himself as a ' human rights' campaigner. So what of women who consider they have human rights as regard abortion and might have thought they could at least get a straight answer from Norris. If he can speak at a 'Right to Choose' Rally, why cant he even give his opinion now ?


  • #840
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    anymore wrote: »
    Well it is he who has brought the subject up on his website on the pretext that he was giving his opinion on the subject. But instead of giving an answer, we get the ' Bertie Shuffle ' which repeats some meaningless platitudes but doesn't actually give any real answer. And still he presents himself as a ' human rights' campaigner. So what of women who consider they have human rights as regard abortion and might have thought they could at least get a straight answer from Norris. If he can speak at a 'Right to Choose' Rally, why cant he even give his opinion now ?

    What's your view on it? +1


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  • #841
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Yeah I'd like to hear your view as well.


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