RAW 25/7/11 Thread - New Champion Crowned? Spoilers

Jerichoholic · 26-07-2011 03:28PM

Leaving with the WWE title and coming back a whole week later. Looks like Vince Panicked after the crappy rating last week and got the title back on Cena ASAP. Back to the same old same old. They could have done so much interesting stuff with Punk and the belt. Now he's back to being a "WWE SUPERSTAR", it's not quite as interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing is over at Summerslam and WWE gives us what everyone is dying to see. That being John Cena overcoming the odds against the incredibly talented and exciting Mark Henry.

jaykhunter · 26-07-2011 03:30PM

fwiw i think Punk could (and will) carry the company as a big time babyface. To succeed you need to look and act differently to Cena. Making another Cena-smarmy babyface would be like trying to pin the Real American gimmick on Lex Luger because Hogan left!

After 7-8 years, it's time for the anti-hero to rise again

Lord TSC · 26-07-2011 03:42PM

As partyndbs pointed out "say goodbye to John Cena, say goodbye to CM Punk". Cena didn't miss a segment; and within 8 days of supposedly being fired he got his WWE title back. CM Punk was absent for one show.

But Cena wasn't fired since HHH made the save basically, and we've not heard Punk's reasons for returning yet.

Again i say, I too would have prefered if they waited, but maybe give Punk a chance to explain himself before we jump down his throat and cry bloody murder at his decision to return...

GTR63 · 26-07-2011 03:46PM

I text my brother about last nites raw his responce was "What was the point of that WWE Title tournament again?"
Can't say I blame him it really served no purpose if it means that its Punk vs Cena at Summerslam again.

sky88 · 26-07-2011 03:54PM

doesnt bother me that cena beat rey for the title but why didnt they just make the miz rey match into a triple threat match with cena instead of giving rey a pointless wwe title reign

Mr. Guappa · 26-07-2011 04:01PM

I've no major problem with Punk showing up last night. A SummerSlam main-event for a "title" that everyone knows to be worthless would have bombed. My main problem with how this played out is that it makes Rey look like a clown. As someone mentioned previously HHH should have added Cena to the Rey/Miz match and had him win the "title" directly.

The next step is the key - how will Punk be portrayed next week and how will he explain his return?

Garseys · 26-07-2011 04:15PM

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

I've no major problem with Punk showing up last night. A SummerSlam main-event for a "title" that everyone knows to be worthless would have bombed. My main problem with how this played out is that it makes Rey look like a clown. As someone mentioned previously HHH should have added Cena to the Rey/Miz match and had him win the "title" directly.

The next step is the key - how will Punk be portrayed next week and how will he explain his return?

You've no idea how true that is, The Cena/Mysterio title was a 300 dollar replica :pac:

Lord TSC · 26-07-2011 04:18PM

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

I've no major problem with Punk showing up last night. A SummerSlam main-event for a "title" that everyone knows to be worthless would have bombed. My main problem with how this played out is that it makes Rey look like a clown. As someone mentioned previously HHH should have added Cena to the Rey/Miz match and had him win the "title" directly.

The next step is the key - how will Punk be portrayed next week and how will he explain his return?

The sad thing is I actually though Punk had done a really good job making the title look like it was worth something again. The whole "I'm leaving with the title" and how desperate Vince was to keep it made it look like it was worth something, and then they go and have two new champs crowned and show two men are holding it all in one night :S

jaykhunter · 26-07-2011 04:20PM

Jaysus, now that you say it, look at the difference in belt buckle depth between Punk and Cena's! Reminds me of when they gave those american footballers those world titles; they looked so shoddy beside Edge's!

another shot (look at the difference in depth of the main plates)

Garseys · 26-07-2011 04:22PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

The sad thing is I actually though Punk had done a really good job making the title look like it was worth something again. The whole "I'm leaving with the title" and how desperate Vince was to keep it made it look like it was worth something, and then they go and have two new champs crowned and show two men are holding it all in one night :S

Well as someone pointed out earlier on, they did the Hogan on the title, Put it on Cena by the end of the night.

Reeks of knee jerk booking, my guess is that Mysterio/Cena was being held off longer...

Anyway looking forward to a possible Punk/Triple H feud and another stellar Punk vs Cena match.

Eire-Dearg · 26-07-2011 04:29PM

Some very well points made.

All in all, they diluted the effectiveness of CM Punk leaving the company WWE title in tow by bringing him back so quickly - when there was so much potential to drag this on a few weeks.

Week 1: Have Triple H tease the idea that he's talking Punk into coming back. Perhaps show the scene at Comic Con.
Week 2: Have Punk appear as a spectator, or somehow work another Comic Con moment. Maybe have him wrestle at another company to suggest he isn't coming back.
Week 3: Have HHH tell Cena that he's defending his title at Summerslam against... but before he can say who, Punk's ROH music hits. Nobody has a clue who it is, only the interweb people. Nobody appears.
Summerslam: We know it's going to be him, Cena is in the ring waiting for it... his ROH music hits. It's Punk. We spew everywhere, etc etc

They don't even have to hide the fact Punk will face Cena, but I think dragging this out longer would have made his return to our TV screens much, much more effective.

rovert · 26-07-2011 04:39PM

There's a house show belt and a HD belt

jaykhunter · 26-07-2011 04:44PM

you'll have to say that it's punk if you're gonna use him at SummerSlam - regular fans won't buy the PPV unless you promise them of the big match!

ricero · 26-07-2011 05:02PM

shouldn't cena and reys title reign not count now since it wasnt the proper wwe title and punks back. also punks new theme im loving it and imo its a face's theme tune

Lord TSC · 26-07-2011 05:04PM

ricero wrote: »

shouldn't cena and reys title reign not count now since it wasnt the proper wwe title and punks back

I'd imagine they'll say that it's Punk who isn't the rightful champ since Vince would have technically stripped him and vacated the title as soon as he left.

jaykhunter · 26-07-2011 05:05PM

it sure does; http://www.wwe.com/inside/titlehistory/wwechampionship (check the last two)

Rey Mysterio The Miz Hampton, Va. 07-25-11 Watch John Cena Rey Mysterio Hampton, Va. 07-25-11 Watch
technically; CM Punk was stripped of the belt on last week's RAW; so his title is actually worthless. (the lineage is with Cena's belt)

Just to make you feel great - Cena is now a NINE-TIME WWE Champion (and 2 time World Champion)

partyndbs · 26-07-2011 05:05PM

why should punk have to prove himself to be the 'real' champion when he is the real champion. in a lot of ways it should be cm punk vs mysterio becoz rey won the number 1 contender tourney.

oh right so yeah surely under terms of new contract punk would come back as champion, like hes hardly gonna accept that he won the title but was taken off him

Garseys · 26-07-2011 05:10PM

rovert wrote: »

There's a house show belt and a HD belt

The house show belt has missing Jewels and stuff from it, and it's the exact same size as the HD Belt.

trying to find pics of it at the moment...

sky88 · 26-07-2011 05:57PM

jaykhunter wrote: »

it sure does; http://www.wwe.com/inside/titlehistory/wwechampionship (check the last two)

Rey Mysterio The Miz Hampton, Va. 07-25-11 Watch John Cena Rey Mysterio Hampton, Va. 07-25-11 Watch
technically; CM Punk was stripped of the belt on last week's RAW; so his title is actually worthless. (the lineage is with Cena's belt)

Just to make you feel great - Cena is now a NINE-TIME WWE Champion (and 2 time World Champion)

people were angry enough when they thought hhh would beat flairs record what would they be like if cena done it

Rjd2 · 26-07-2011 05:58PM

sky88 wrote: »

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people were angry enough when they thought hhh would beat flairs record what would they be like if cena done it

Very amused.:o

Charlie Haughy · 26-07-2011 06:15PM

Mysterio will surely be added to the confusion of the WWE title since he has a "rematch clause".

Dr. Ring · 26-07-2011 06:21PM

Jerichoholic wrote: »

Leaving with the WWE title and coming back a whole week later. Looks like Vince Panicked after the crappy rating last week and got the title back on Cena ASAP. Back to the same old same old. They could have done so much interesting stuff with Punk and the belt. Now he's back to being a "WWE SUPERSTAR", it's not quite as interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing is over at Summerslam and WWE gives us what everyone is dying to see. That being John Cena overcoming the odds against the incredibly talented and exciting Mark Henry.

I dunno about this bit ... The ratings on RAW have been dropping for the last 2-3 years (most of which Cena spent as WWE Champion).

To be honest, I dont even think it's a lack of interest in the WWE product. If you look at the WWE shows that are put up on Youtube, they receive millions of views each week. The interest is definately there, but society has moved on into a more more technically-cound generation. It's more convenient to watch RAW the next day on Youtube (where there's no commercial breaks every 10 minutes).

The Attitude era had it's huge ratings because watching the show "live" was the only way to catch the whole show uninterrupted. Now all you have to do is go online.

WWE need to start quantifying their online audience as well as their TV viewers.

Dr. Ring · 26-07-2011 06:25PM

Charlie Haughy wrote: »

Mysterio will surely be added to the confusion of the WWE title since he has a "rematch clause".

Yeah. But I hope they hold off on his rematch. Adding Mysterio to this will only taint the current storyline. The "beef" is between Punk and Cena. Rey Rey, bar being the former champ, has nothing to do with either of them.

They shoud allow Cena/Punk II to headline SummerSlam and then Rey can challenge Punk at the next PPV (hopefully Punk would win, if he didnt it would ruin their efforts to build him up).

Show Time · 26-07-2011 06:31PM

Punk got the bigger pop by far when he held the belt up.

Lord TSC · 26-07-2011 06:51PM

Charlie Haughy wrote: »

Mysterio will surely be added to the confusion of the WWE title since he has a "rematch clause".

Knowing WWE, he'll use it next week so we get Cena/Mysterio II out of the way...

Dr. Ring · 26-07-2011 07:17PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Knowing WWE, he'll use it next week so we get Cena/Mysterio II out of the way...

I'd prefer if they forgot about it for a while. Bring that up once Cena/Punk has run it's course. Giving Cena/Mysterio away on RAW last night was utter lunacy!

Punk v Mysterio (while done before) would be gr8 because we all know they could have a cracker of a match.

I think Cena needs to stay away from the WWE title for as long as he can. It might sound odd, but for Cena, being WWE Champ is more damaging to his career than it is beneficial. I get the feeling that WWE doesnt think Cena can stay over unless he's Champ.... why not let Cena hold the Intercontinental title longer than anyone in history. It would bring some prestige back to the I.C. belt and would give RAW a fresh feeling.

Cena needs to step away from the main event scene for a while: it's been done to death

partyndbs · 26-07-2011 07:20PM

props 2 rey mysterio btw what a nice guy, goes out and wins the title in a tough match and then happily goes up against a man twice his size on the very same night. then when he loses seems happy that the new champion is caring for him.

nah really what a ****in retard

Dr. Ring · 26-07-2011 07:27PM

partyndbs wrote: »

props 2 rey mysterio btw what a nice guy, goes out and wins the title in a tough match and then happily goes up against a man twice his size on the very same night. then when he loses seems happy that the new champion is caring for him.

nah really what a ****in retard

Not even so much Rey. but the whole Tournament was a bad idea. As someone said in an earlier post, if it is that easy to make a new WWE champion, why was it so devastating to vince that Punk might just walk out of the company with the belt?

I think we should just take the bad with the good. They've gone with the "leave them with more questions than answers" angle in recent weeks and now they're trying to give Rey a push too. It wont work together.

One at a time please :rolleyes:

jaykhunter · 26-07-2011 07:38PM

Listened to the WON radio show with Meltzer and Alvarez there. Meltzer mentioned that sure 3 title changes in 8 days and bring lots of people back isn't great booking (that makes a great show) but it was easy booking; that's something that can't sustain you in the long run. He mentioned similarities between how much super-quick booking really burned out the inVasion angle; they should've gotten 18-months of great buyrates, not 1 month.

I have to think it's panic booking when you see two title changes, returns of your mid carders, commentator and main-eventer all in one show. That said, i'm thinking about this as a critic rather than a fan; the show was very entertaining in isolation; it's the potential of each part and what they'll do over the next month that I'm more concerned with!

gimmick · 26-07-2011 08:06PM

I thought Punk was going replacing that God awful belt straight away.

Silly returning so quickly. The whole things seems a bit of a cluster at the moment.

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