8 years for manslaughter of garda

FISMA · 22-07-2011 06:13AM

Amazing how little a human life is valued these days.

The Internet Explorer · 22-07-2011 06:24AM

Yeah, shame on you, you f*cked up and on occasion, grand little country.

Run_to_da_hills · 22-07-2011 07:21AM

Manslaughter is ten years and should have been kept at that looking at his previous criminal record.

BluesBerry · 22-07-2011 07:33AM

Tehachapi wrote: »

Well don't commit theft when you have 2 priors then.

I have never broken the law, and probably never will. However if I had a criminal conviction already - I'd be insanely careful not to even get a second with that rule in place. With two already I'd be watching my behaviour like a hawk, for fear of getting locked up on another conviction. You'd wanna be a serious gobsh1te to commit a third criminal offence with two behind you.

All criminal acts have victims, what the hell gives anyone the right to commit 3 criminal acts? Would you like to be walking on the same street as johnny scumbag with 152 previous convictions? Would you support the 3 strikes rule if he seriously assaulted you, caused brain damage to a member of your family or even killed them in the case of manuel riedo? The swiss people were shocked at why this prick wasn't locked up at the time of her murder.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/evil-predator-showed-no-remorse-for-terror-reign-1841361.html

If the Gardai had advised the Judge that he should have been remanded in custody and the Judge did not listen then the Judge should have to answer for this his ability to do this job should be reviewed
It is happening far to ofter that a sentence is passed down that is to lenient the law needs to change this country is a complete joke when it comes to this , The gardai need to be heard in the courtroom and if they have a genuine concern about letting a criminal out and the Judge lets them walk free then when they commit another crime His job should be on the line

mackg · 22-07-2011 08:13AM

3 strikes-no, mandatory life sentencing-no, sentences that in some way reflect the nature of the crime and the history of the criminal-yes. The guy has 90+ convictions, he killed a guy, 15 years minimum.

prinz · 22-07-2011 09:53AM

RIP to the Garda, and sympathies to his family and friends. Crap like this really makes my blood boil. This is where are country is fcked beyond repair, our sentencing and justice system, but will you get a few thousand or a few hundred people marching on the Dáil over it? Remember the rape tapes in Mayo and the subsequent outcry from various groups, T.D.s, social workers, etc etc......... will any of them pipe up to question this sentence?

As for the Maneula Riedo case..

Barry was convicted of sexual assault for which he received an 18-month sentence. When he got out, he continued to pursue her. Late on August 16, 2007, he called to her home. There was a fight and a struggle and he assaulted her. Two days later, on August 18, Barry was charged with assaulting his ex-girlfriend. Gardai, aware of her fear of him, asked the judge to keep him in custody. And although they had no evidence, he was now a key in a serious rape allegation. The judge granted Barry bail. Seven weeks later, he killed Manuela Riedo, a Swiss student who was only in Galway three days.

Barry is convicted of a sexual assault on a woman, gets sent down.

Barry gets out of prison, returns to the home his original victim and assaults her again.

AGS knowing this (that he has already attacked the woman at least twice, and no doubt knowing Barry better than the judge does) ask for him to be kept in custody..

...and some cúnt of a judge grants a person who has already attacked the victim twice bail? Did he not pause to think that maybe Barry was going to pay her another little visit? Is this judge still on the bench? :mad: Never mind about Manuela Riedo but was the first victim protected by the judge? The state is failing the citizens.

c_man · 22-07-2011 10:05AM

The sentencing in this country is a disgrace. Same repeat offenders all the time getting lax treatment from the same judges.

Gerald Barry will be out in a few years and I guarantee that a killing/rape will follow.

Reloc8 · 22-07-2011 10:25AM

realies wrote: »

IMO this is mad justice,This chap was a repeat offender with bench warrants out for him and at the time already banned from driving and he gets 8 years,with one suspended plus all the rest of the sentenced ran concurrent, the social welfare fraudster gets 12 years for swindling 250,000 euro and no one was hurt, As I said bit mad to me.

Actually, although awaiting confirmation, it is almost certainly the case that this chap got 3.5 years (6 months on 25 charges to run concurrently, 3 years on another charge - false passport - to run consecutively to the 6 months).

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Manslaughter is ten years and should have been kept at that looking at his previous criminal record.

No the maximum sentence for manslaughter is life.

Magic Beans · 22-07-2011 10:30AM

cosmicfart wrote: »

The 'Showers' one feels wont be kind to him.

You're joking right?

91 convictions and he killed a Garda, he'll be a hero to the scum in there.

gary jasom · 22-07-2011 10:36AM

Mr. Denton wrote: »

Driving while disqualified and uninsured. **** him. I'd let him rot in prison if I could.

disqualified and uninsured... this part is a very common offence, usually dealt with a simple fine.. they should all rot in prison for that u think?and he was dis qualified he couldnt get insurance if he tried. he had a bench warrant and knew he was in big trouble.... maybe scared so he wanted to get away maybe? im sure he's sorry but that doesnt help anything for this young life lost.

but iv read in the paper the defendant was lying on the road with the engine also across the road with smoke coming from it. this sounds like a suicide attempt if its manslaughter! the gardai members were this poor young garda's friend and they are discusted at whats happened of course. furthermore this doesnt give the accused much hope at his case to plead not guilty to manslaughter. the gardai are all over the case, even as the main witnesses, and its very personal with the gardai.

putting this young garda mans life at risk like this is really sad... who ever ordered him to get involved in this chase holds a certain responsibility also because of the serious consequences it had. the order was they were only getting the no. plates of the defendants car.. i say bull****. im sure there were camera's at the petrol station or the gardai following them would get the plates right away( there kinda of used to doing it). they obviously stuck to this story to benefit them for some reason.

im not saying im absolutely 100% on this.. but im not so sure it was manslaughter and dont see enough evidence to find him guilty of it, all they are going by is the other garda that survived the impact said ''we new he was coming straight for us'' in addtion to that he said ''it was like an arrow''.... maybe the defendants thinkin i'm happy to do 8years for dangerous driving... but not 8 years for manslaughter

manslaughter.....was this the gardai's way of making him do as much time as possible even though they new it wasnt manslaughter?

i hope nobody takes this the wrong way.. im just trying to show that there may be another side to the story when this man pleaded not guilty to manslaughter

prinz · 22-07-2011 10:39AM

gary jasom wrote: »

but iv read in the paper the defendant was lying on the road with the engine also across the road with smoke coming from it. this sounds like a suicide attempt if its manslaughter

What is this gibberish?

MagicSean · 22-07-2011 10:42AM

gary jasom wrote: »

i hope nobody takes this the wrong way.. im just trying to show that there may be another side to the story when this man pleaded not guilty to manslaughter

You could be right. He might have just watched ET and thought he could fly over the police car like in the movie. He's a victim of the media. Those other 91 convictions? Merely misunderstandings.

Get lost troll.

gary jasom · 22-07-2011 10:51AM

prinz wrote: »

What is this gibberish?

sorry im just saying he nearly died aswel

Reloc8 · 22-07-2011 10:54AM

gary jasom wrote: »

but iv read in the paper

Mmmmm. That'll do so.

gary jasom wrote: »

dont see enough evidence to find him guilty of it,

Wait...do you read 'The Daily Evidence' ?

gary jasom wrote: »

the gardai are all over the case, even as the main witnesses, and its very personal with the gardai.

Yes. Those devious gardai. Conspiring to be the only witnesses to the crime. Will they never learn.

gary jasom wrote: »

who ever ordered him to get involved in this chase holds a certain responsibility also because of the serious consequences it had.

Bull****. That man died protecting people. People like you actually. Having volunteered to do so.

gary jasom wrote: »

they obviously stuck to this story to benefit them for some reason.

Yes. Clearly. They had a lot to gain.

gary jasom wrote: »

i hope nobody takes this the wrong way.

*koffbullsheet*

gary jasom wrote: »

im just trying to show that there may be another side to the story when this man pleaded not guilty to manslaughter

I nearly laughed, but its too tragic a case to be anything but sad about.

You're free to sympathise with the criminal, in fact the killer in this case, if you choose. But please don't dress up your not quite so veiled insults to the life of that young gard and his colleagues as being anything other than that.

disclaimer : I am not a gard. I don't even like most of them. Seriously. Ask any of them.

prinz · 22-07-2011 10:58AM

gary jasom wrote: »

sorry im just saying he nearly died aswel

...and? What does that have to do with anything? Is a suicide bomber not guilty of murder because they died too?

gary jasom · 22-07-2011 11:05AM

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

You could be right. He might have just watched ET and thought he could fly over the police car like in the movie. He's a victim of the media. Those other 91 convictions? Merely misunderstandings.

Get lost troll.

he was drunk and nearly killed himself. how was it manslaughter. so he thought ill do some manslaughter and nearly kill myself aswell. thats what your saying then?

he obviously thought he wasnt going to crash=dangerous driving causing death?

91 that is crazy previous

gary jasom · 22-07-2011 11:09AM

prinz wrote: »

...and? What does that have to do with anything? Is a suicide bomber not guilty of murder because they died too?

i dont think he was willing to kill himself to commit this crime.

prinz · 22-07-2011 11:10AM

gary jasom wrote: »

i dont think he was willing to kill himself to commit this crime.

So? Put down the internet and walk away.

wild_cat · 22-07-2011 11:22AM

Someone mentioned something to me last night about either the Guard or the driver chased the other right into a wall......

Can someone shed some light on this.

Sorry I just read that he had 91 previous convictions.......... WTF!?

gary jasom · 22-07-2011 11:26AM

Reloc8 wrote: »

disclaimer : I am not a gard. I don't even like most of them. Seriously. Ask any of them.

i hav respect for the law. i sympathise for this poor young garda. he was only 24.

our gardai system is not perfect like other countries but we do need them or the country would just be a bigger mess

gary jasom · 22-07-2011 11:32AM

prinz wrote: »

So? Put down the internet and walk away.

sorry it just doest mak sense to nearly kill yourself aswell. you must see what i mean here with this line?

if so he may be mentally ill and should be going for the mental home unstead of prison

prinz · 22-07-2011 11:33AM

gary jasom wrote: »

sorry it just doest mak sense to nearly kill yourself aswell. you must see what i mean here with this line?

No I don't. Plenty of people have gone down that route. The fact that he put himself in danger has no bearing on what he was doing to other people.

washman3 · 22-07-2011 11:42AM

Dangerous Man wrote: »

Thing is though - in Alan Shatter we have one of the most qualified and intelligent minster's for justice in years. I'm feeling optimistic; it's been a good couple of days for Ireland. Inda demonstrated some balls by giving the Vatican the middle finger and our bailout rate has been reduced significantly without any cave in to the French.

Maybe Shatter will take a look at the judiciary and see what can be done to reverse this trend of crazy sentencing.

and if you believe all that you're an innocent man/woman....:p

washman3 · 22-07-2011 11:55AM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Devastating for that family - much like it was for family of Garda McCallion a couple of years ago who was killed in pretty much the same circumstances.

Whatever about the health system in this country, it's about time the legal system was overhauled too. Ridiculous.

good point, dont count on it though, too many vested interests making massive money out of it. these guys/girls "have the ears" of the politicans
so i doubt if we'll see any change for some time.
maybe a token gesture coming up to election time...:(

Show Time · 22-07-2011 12:01PM

Any crime that causes the death of a Garda should lead to a life behind bars. No if's and but's or sob stories about the "hard" life little jimmy may have had leading up to the crime.
If a few sentences were handed like that then you would see a drop in crime.

Johnny D. Mudd · 22-07-2011 12:38PM

I am quite frankly baffled as to how a crash like this which has ended in the death of an officer of the law at the hands of a lunatic is only punished by an 8 year sentence. Surely many aspects of this case should be considered before sentencing is handed down, such as dangerous driving, excessive speed and of course the killing of a Garda which, in of itself, is a serious crime. And let's not mistake this as an innocent civilian who accidentally rammed a Garda car and killed an officer. This is a guy who drove recklessly through traffic and led the Gardai on a dangerous chase. That is just asking for trouble.

In my humble opinion (which is probably wrong anyhow), when a judge passes down sentencing, he or she should take many facets of the crime and the criminal record of the person involved. The seriousness of the crime should merit a stiffer sentence, as should the recurrence of crimes of the defendant. Hell, if a guy with 91 previous convictions, many of which involved traffic violations, is brought up before the courts for the manslaughter of a Garda during a car chase, surely the judge should consider the repeat offence of this person as a sign that they are not going to learn their lesson and pose themselves as a serious threat to others. Hence a stiff sentence should be laid down and the judge should make every effort to keep such a person off the roads for as long as possible as this person obviously isn't fit to own a car.

It just seems like more common sense should be used by the court system in order to correctly punish non-violent offenders and repeat offenders. Perhaps mandatory lengths of sentencing could be handed down for specific offences or for a certain number of re-offences if such drastic measures had to be taken. Any way to ensure that the law is applied strongly.

Johnny D. Mudd · 22-07-2011 12:41PM

Show Time wrote: »

Any crime that causes the death of a Garda should lead to a life behind bars. No if's and but's or sob stories about the "hard" life little jimmy may have had leading up to the crime.
If a few sentences were handed like that then you would see a drop in crime.

Isn't this the type of thing that is used in America. The officers there are highly respected amongst the ordinary folk and an assault on a police officer is seen as an assault on the state. As such, such an assault is strongly looked-down upon and is stiffly punished.

Show Time · 22-07-2011 02:14PM

Johnny D. Mudd wrote: »

Isn't this the type of thing that is used in America. The officers there are highly respected amongst the ordinary folk and an assault on a police officer is seen as an assault on the state. As such, such an assault is strongly looked-down upon and is stiffly punished.

I think it depends on the different states in America, In some parts it is life while others it could either be 60+ years in the slammer or the death penalty.

7sr2z3fely84g5 · 22-07-2011 02:25PM

There is life for death of garda,but in this case it was found to be manslaughter,death of garda brings no chance of parole-

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/prison_system/parole_board_of_ireland.html
Prisoners not eligible for review by the Parole Board-

Murder of a member of An Garda Síochána or the Irish Prison Service in the course of his or her duty

Case of donegal where the defendant was found not guilty of manslaughter,the judge asked the jury to judge the crime on what happened,not because the victim was a garda-
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/youth-acquitted-of-killing-garda-run-over-by-his-car-2526493.html

Before sending the jury out, Judge O'Hagan advised its members not to get carried away by the fact that the victim had been a garda.
"There is tragedy on both sides and nobody can mend that. But you are asked to ask yourself if there was a high degree of negligence that led to manslaughter.
"Don't be carried away by the fact that he was a garda. You must look at it in a cold and a calculated manner," he said.

His defence lawyer also put this to the jury-

But the defence argued that McGrenaghan had been attempting to escape the gardai and exit the estate in the space between the stolen car and the garden walls when he lost control of his car.

i am only posting what was done in the last case so no personal abuse please thank you.

Show Time · 22-07-2011 02:28PM

Johan Attractive Stove wrote: »

There is life for death of garda,but in this case it was found to be manslaughter,death of garda brings no chance of parole-

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/prison_system/parole_board_of_ireland.html
Prisoners not eligible for review by the Parole Board-

Case of donegal where the defendent was found not guilty of murder,the judge asked the jury to judge the crime on what happened,not because the victim was a garda-
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/youth-acquitted-of-killing-garda-run-over-by-his-car-2526493.html

His defence lawyer also putted this to the jury-

i am only posting what was done in the last case so no personal abuse please thank you.

Thanks for the links. And why would anyone want to abuse you for posting that????

8 years for manslaughter of garda

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