Just lost respect for Kenny

bijapos · 20-07-2011 09:18PM

Agreed it was a welcome speech, pity to see the Dail so empty for it.

Kenny should now put his words into actions, start by publically backing up Ruairi Quinn in his efforts to lessen the influence of the church in the running of schools, in fact get them out entirely.

He should also consider breaking off or reducing diplomatic links with the Vatican for some time as suggested by John Halligan.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0720/cloyne.html

Liam Byrne · 20-07-2011 09:37PM

bijapos wrote: »

Kenny should now put his words into actions, start by publically backing up Ruairi Quinn in his efforts to lessen the influence of the church in the running of schools, in fact get them out entirely.[/URL]

He should also put other words of his into action. The ones where he would sort out FF robbing us to pay off what he claimed were "their" mates.

Drumpot · 20-07-2011 10:41PM

Welcome words but I fear that they were only said to wag the dog.

Would Kenny of been as aggresive if his government werent making the unpopular decisions in these times of Austerity?

The cynic in me can find no reason to give Kenny the benefit of the doubt considering he dissapears whenever opposition try to hold his own party accountable with questions that the rest of the country want to hear answered!

eigrod · 20-07-2011 10:45PM

Even if Kenny and the current Government do nothing on this, it's a million times better than what Michael Woods & the FF lead Government did.

Drumpot · 20-07-2011 10:52PM

eigrod wrote: »

Even if Kenny and the current Government do nothing on this, it's a million times better than what Michael Woods & the FF lead Government did.

How can FG/Lab actually fail to impress with such low standards being set!

If you pick up a piece of sh*t and expect it to taste like sh*t, then you wont be surprised when you realise that it is in fact sh*t . .

uriah · 20-07-2011 10:59PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Welcome words but I fear that they were only said to wag the dog.

Would Kenny of been as aggresive if his government werent making the unpopular decisions in these times of Austerity?

The cynic in me can find no reason to give Kenny the benefit of the doubt considering he dissapears whenever opposition try to hold his own party accountable with questions that the rest of the country want to hear answered!

I have never seen any taoiseach appear as often in the Dáil answering questions.
Certainly, Ahern and Cowen did not attend the Dáil as much as Kenny does.

Drumpot · 21-07-2011 12:29AM

uriah wrote: »

I have never seen any taoiseach appear as often in the Dáil answering questions.
Certainly, Ahern and Cowen did not attend the Dáil as much as Kenny does.

Once again (seem to be repeating myself alot) . .

How is comparing them to Bertie and Cowen something to applaud ?

What good is it him being in the Dail so much if he simply avoids tough questions (particularly on his own comments) ? Isnt that also a trait of our previous government that people used to despise or is it ok to do what FF did if you are not FF? FFS, when will the people of this country learn that holding your government accountable to what they do wrong is the only way we will ever end up with a better leader.

I dont actually have a particular problem with Kenny anymore then I do with the entire culture within Irish Politics. If anything I find him to be one of the least offensive politician around (thats a compliment) and a very likable kind of person. I just get sick of people excusing bad practises that governments/parties/politicians get away with simply as they are things people have gotten used to!

People get so hung up on what they see on tv or hear or read and forget about the details ie - actions . . As stated by previous posters, it will be interesting to see if Kenny actually puts legislation in place to match his populist but welcomed attack on the actions of the Vatican. If he does little or nothing, then it is a truely sad indictment of the kind party he leads.

InigoMontoya · 21-07-2011 09:19AM

Happyman42 wrote: »

Stuff and nonsense.....let's see him actually 'do' something.
We know from wikileaks that governments 'agree' a form of words to placate the electorate, but privately are saying something completely different.

Words are indeed cheap, but in this case I think the speech itself is a positive step, as it's long overdue that someone in the Irish government told the church/vatican a few home truths. Hopefully they follow through with actions.

(Incidentally, Senator Ronan Mullen was on Newstalk Morning Ireland this morning whinging about the speech).

Monty Burnz · 21-07-2011 09:25AM

InigoMontoya wrote: »

(Incidentally, Senator Ronan Mullen was on Newstalk this morning whinging about the speech).

That clown is a throwback to the 1950s. 'Women, know your place', and all that. Anything that annoys him is objectively good and progressive.

anymore · 21-07-2011 09:43AM

Drumpot wrote: »

Once again (seem to be repeating myself alot) . .

How is comparing them to Bertie and Cowen something to applaud ?

What good is it him being in the Dail so much if he simply avoids tough questions (particularly on his own comments) ? Isnt that also a trait of our previous government that people used to despise or is it ok to do what FF did if you are not FF? FFS, when will the people of this country learn that holding your government accountable to what they do wrong is the only way we will ever end up with a better leader.

I dont actually have a particular problem with Kenny anymore then I do with the entire culture within Irish Politics. If anything I find him to be one of the least offensive politician around (thats a compliment) and a very likable kind of person. I just get sick of people excusing bad practises that governments/parties/politicians get away with simply as they are things people have gotten used to!

People get so hung up on what they see on tv or hear or read and forget about the details ie - actions . . As stated by previous posters, it will be interesting to see if Kenny actually puts legislation in place to match his populist but welcomed attack on the actions of the Vatican. If he does little or nothing, then it is a truely sad indictment of the kind party he leads.

I agree with you but at ;east words are a starting point. What if anyhting did the Munster MEPS, in whose constituency Cloyne have to say about the Cloyne scandal over the past number of years ? This question is directed at both present incumbents and the previous ones ?
The silence from MEPs on a matter which invloves a foreign power, ie the vatican is staggering !

Drumpot · 21-07-2011 09:54AM

anymore wrote: »

I agree with you but at ;east words are a starting point. What if anyhting did the Munster MEPS, in whose constituency Cloyne have to say about the Cloyne scandal over the past number of years ? This question is directed at both present incumbents and the previous ones ?
The silence from MEPs on a matter which invloves a foreign power, ie the vatican is staggering !

Thats fair enough. I just want everybody in Ireland to start holding our politicians accountable for their actions/inactions. We dont seem to do it unless they bring our country to bankrupcy!

Its such a shame that most peoples alligence can be bought or sold quite cheaply.

Callan57 · 21-07-2011 10:05AM

InigoMontoya wrote: »

Words are indeed cheap, but in this case I think the speech itself is a positive step, as it's long overdue that someone in the Irish government told the church/vatican a few home truths. Hopefully they follow through with actions.

(Incidentally, Senator Ronan Mullen was on Newstalk this morning whinging about the speech).

Heard him on Morning Ireland just before 9 ... kinda surprised the fundamentalists weren't out of the traps a bit faster. :eek:

InigoMontoya · 21-07-2011 10:14AM

Callan57 wrote: »

Heard him on Morning Ireland just before 9 ... kinda surprised the fundamentalists weren't out of the traps a bit faster. :eek:

S***, it was Morning Ireland actually. I usually listen to Newstalk in the morning but it was MI this morning.

gbee · 21-07-2011 10:20AM

I did not give, FF, Greens or FG any votes last time. I was for the revolutionary route, and while a good portion of people voted similarly to me, just too many trusted FG.

I'm all for bringing down this Government, we've lived under two lies all tooooo long already: A democracy and a low tax economy. We need to be able to actually fire people without pension or golden handshakes.

Monty Burnz · 21-07-2011 10:40AM

gbee wrote: »

I did not give, FF, Greens or FG any votes last time. I was for the revolutionary route, and while a good portion of people voted similarly to me, just too many trusted FG.

I'm all for bringing down this Government, we've lived under two lies all tooooo long already: A democracy and a low tax economy. We need to be able to actually fire people without pension or golden handshakes.

Yeah, what we need is the ULA and SF to sort out the economy...after all, hard left economics worked so well elsewhere.

I've compiled a comprehensive list of successful communitst/socialist/Marxist economies at the end of this post so we can choose who to model ourselves on...

List:

syklops · 21-07-2011 10:45AM

If Enda had of promised pain across the board. If he had promised that he would be cutting social welfare, but looking to protect most vulnerable in the process. If he had said that he was going to tackle the costs of the public service, targeting specifically the higher levels of the grossly mismanaged beast. If he had said that he would fight Irelands cause with our EU friends but that he would be very much relying on the goodwill of our paymasters. If he said that his party wouldnt keep referring back to FF whenever they do something wrong (or dish out pain that they chose). If he had promised to address the nation regularly and at all times keep them updated on where we stand and what his intentions/strategies were.

If Enda Kenny had done all those things, he would not have been elected. The stupid irish electorate, who voted Bertie in 3 times, would have instead voted in a mixture of Labour and Sinn Fein.

Monty Burnz · 21-07-2011 11:06AM

syklops wrote: »

If Enda Kenny had done all those things, he would not have been elected. The stupid irish electorate, who voted Bertie in 3 times, would have instead voted in a mixture of Labour and Sinn Fein.

Yup. They'd have voted for the guys who promised no pain for anyone, even if it was obvious to anyone with a brain that this was impossible. SF/ULA did quite well as it was, with economic policies that a child could see were nonsense.

Just lost respect for Kenny

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