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Enda Kenny...do you like or loathe him?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 462 ✭✭El_Drago


    FG have to move on from blaming everything that's wrong with the country on previous governments,it's getting old now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭mackg


    i'd say i nearly love him after today and not for the vatican speech but for when he put the terrorist adams in his place today,

    What did he say? I've heard nothing about this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Toby Take a Bow


    Eve_Dublin wrote: »
    and voted Labour and the Socialists and was disgusted that Fine Gael got in but wasn't surprised. I try to read the Irish papers on a a daily basis and generally I'm pleasantly surprised what I read about Enda and most recently, when he spoke out against the Vatican. I thought it was an unbelievably brave move and showed some balls. My respect for him went up again by 6%.

    I still view Enda and Fine Gael as similar to Cowen and Fianna Fail. No real differences in their policies. Had the roles been reversed, we'd be in the same mess right now, and with the opposing party suggesting the same 'solutions'. The comments from Enda, to me, were made when the overwhelming position from the public on the recent revelations couldn't be ignored, and so Enda made a statement to appeal to public sentiment. It's populist stuff (although having said that, it's good that - finally - something like this was said by our taoiseach directly to the Vatican state and not the bishops of Ireland).

    But there's no other option, it seems. When Fine Gael are spent, we'll have Fianna Fail back again. And vice-versa. For eternity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,884 ✭✭✭Eve_Dublin


    I still view Enda and Fine Gael as similar to Cowen and Fianna Fail. No real differences in their policies. Had the roles been reversed, we'd be in the same mess right now, and with the opposing party suggesting the same 'solutions'. The comments from Enda, to me, were made when the overwhelming position from the public on the recent revelations couldn't be ignored, and so Enda made a statement to appeal to public sentiment. It's populist stuff (although having said that, it's good that - finally - something like this was said by our taoiseach directly to the Vatican state and not the bishops of Ireland).

    But there's no other option, it seems. When Fine Gael are spent, we'll have Fianna Fail back again. And vice-versa. For eternity.

    My own political persuasion would be socialist has been ever since I started voting, so I don't agree with many of his policies. I suppose I'm surprised by Enda so anything he does that is in some way positive, I'm pleasantly surprised by. I suppose the last shower were so bad, anything looks good in comparison. As you say, his policies are pretty much the same as his predecessor but I don't dislike the guy as much as I thought I would I'd go as far as saying I don't dislike him at all.

    Yes, his speech today was appealing to the public sentiment but at the end of the day, regardless of his ulterior motives (i.e. gain popularity with us), it WAS said and the message will be heard by those in power within the Vatican. Politicians are supposed to represent us and if he made the speech because of public pressure, then surely that's a good thing? It feels like we're being listened to for a change.

    I suppose I don't expect much from ANY politician and it's a case of being thrown a scrap of bread when you're starving. Sad that it has to be a case of "better than nothing" when it comes to politics but that's the way of the world, unfortunately. They're all bastards but some less than others.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭rounding tattenham Corner


    mackg wrote: »
    What did he say? I've heard nothing about this.

    adams was going on about how it was a disgrace about the comment, being on the dole was a life style choice for some. Kenny said Adams had a great lifestyle when he was on the dole, traveling all over the world when he was on the dole.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭Spacedog


    I've never voted for FF or FG, but I hope he leads well and does the country proud.

    To my mind there are several long standing issues that need to be solved in Ireland, that symbolise underlying problems holding the country back. I'm grateful to anyone with the balls to try to tackle them.

    issue --> underlying problem

    Repeated clerical scandals/state provided limited liability insurance for sexual abuse --> RCC interference with the state

    Corrib gas --> past government corruption upheld/ignored by new governments.

    US use of Shannon --> unofficial, informal, unaccountable international agreements that not negotiable with the people through the demographic framework.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,048 ✭✭✭✭Snowie


    look at the mess of country we have

    I think hes doing a good job for some one whos walked intoa kitchen after 16 6 year old kids have ran sacked it...

    I think hes not the most charming of induviduals but hes doing a better job then his predecessors....

    id just like to see him well i understand the need to raise cost of education and i think its fair but it should be more scrutinized more for parents who can more then afford to send there kids to college should happen but also pump money into the facilities of the college's around sthe country


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭MickShamrock


    Loathe. There's something about him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Ally Dick wrote: »
    I think he is out of his depth. You don't give the biggest job in the country to a school teacher

    Hey, if a Car Counter at the Mater Hospital can be Taoiseach.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,048 ✭✭✭✭Snowie


    Loathe. There's something about him.

    I believe its called a politician :pac:


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭G_R


    Yes scary is the word !! his face kinda twitches or something:confused:
    Biggins wrote: »
    Its scary some times! :D

    Little bit late with the smile thing, but I just had to post this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Eve_Dublin wrote: »
    My own political persuasion would be socialist has been ever since I started voting, so I don't agree with many of his policies. I suppose I'm surprised by Enda so anything he does that is in some way positive, I'm pleasantly surprised by. I suppose the last shower were so bad, anything looks good in comparison. As you say, his policies are pretty much the same as his predecessor but I don't dislike the guy as much as I thought I would I'd go as far as saying I don't dislike him at all.

    Eve,

    Are you really a socialist? :confused:

    Kenny is a collaborator in overseeing the shifting of €100,000,000,000 of private debt onto the taxpayer resulting in cutbacks that will kill working class people and destroy their lives.

    Our country is now under EU/IMF occupation which he supported in opposition and which he now, as our Taoiseach, proudly endorses as a modern day Quisling.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    The Mahon tribunal should be out soon. Lets see how he handles that. Could he get the ball moving on releasing that I wonder.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,884 ✭✭✭Eve_Dublin


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Eve,

    Are you really a socialist? :confused:

    Kenny is a collaborator in overseeing the shifting of €100,000,000,000 of private debt onto the taxpayer resulting in cutbacks that will kill working class people and destroy their lives.

    Our country is now under EU/IMF occupation which he supported in opposition and which he now, as our Taoiseach, proudly endorses as a modern day Quisling.

    I think you have to reread what I wrote CAREFULLY.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Toby Take a Bow


    Eve_Dublin wrote: »
    Yes, his speech today was appealing to the public sentiment but at the end of the day, regardless of his ulterior motives (i.e. gain popularity with us), it WAS said and the message will be heard by those in power within the Vatican. Politicians are supposed to represent us and if he made the speech because of public pressure, then surely that's a good thing? It feels like we're being listened to for a change.

    I'd vote socialist too, so whoever's in power is never really going to appeal with me, so yeah, what was said was a good thing to be said, but I'd never really trust someone who issues a statement like that only after the fact. I'd prefer Kenny to stick by his right-wing ideas so that we know what to expect, rather than someone who will wait for what he thinks is popular sentiment and go with that. That he did this in this case is fantastic, and yes, I believe it will change things for the better. I'd be worried, however, that this appealing to perceived popular sentiment would be followed in other areas that would be detrimental to society and so on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,884 ✭✭✭Eve_Dublin


    I'd vote socialist too, so whoever's in power is never really going to appeal with me, so yeah, what was said was a good thing to be said, but I'd never really trust someone who issues a statement like that only after the fact. I'd prefer Kenny to stick by his right-wing ideas so that we know what to expect, rather than someone who will wait for what he thinks is popular sentiment and go with that. That he did this in this case is fantastic, and yes, I believe it will change things for the better. I'd be worried, however, that this appealing to perceived popular sentiment would be followed in other areas that would be detrimental to society and so on.

    What he said HAD to be said and I personally don't care WHY he said it. How do we know what he said wasn't genuine and not just appealing to popular sentiment? I know what you're trying to say but isn't it nice that someone IS trying to appeal to the sentiment of the people that voted him in for a change? We've been essentially ignored for years and this is a breath of fresh air.

    It's more than I expected from a conservative leader. Just because I agree with this move, doesn't mean I agree with him on everything he does because I don't. I don't agree with the man's politics generally, I just thought I'd dislike him more than I do (that's not to say I like or trust him).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Toby Take a Bow


    Eve_Dublin wrote: »
    I know what you're trying to say but isn't it nice that someone IS trying to appeal to the sentiment of the people that voted him in for a change? We've been essentially ignored for years and this is a breath of fresh air.

    I agree with you, but leaving it to say it now smacks of waiting to see how the public feels before making your move. It's great that it was said, I applaud him for it, but my point would be that it doesn't make me think any better of him: if politicians are still refusing to call something when it's clearly wrong regardless of public opinion all the mess that we're in at the moment (sex abuse scandals, economic disaster) will continue to happen. But I guess that's a negative point of view, maybe he is different and we should probably judge him on his future actions, and see if this is the beginning of a different type of politics.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    I've been very impressed with how he's been handling the Church child abuse scandals and the way he has stood up to the Vatican. That has marked him down as a good man, to me. Like you said, I wasn't expecting much, I thought he was spineless. He has proven me wrong on this issue anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,547 ✭✭✭Agricola


    Hes a politician. Whats to like. I save my loathing for FF these days. Im neutral.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    somewhere in the middle...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,233 ✭✭✭robman60


    He's better than many of his predecessors in my opinion.

    What really annoys me is he always fails to answer direct questions, and he thinks,we, the Irish public don't realise that he's clearly avoiding the question!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭latenia


    He's still the same lightweight nonentity he always was but because he manages to deliver one speech which was written for him after extensive coaching in speaking by a PR company the easily swayed public now think he's a cross between JFK and Cicero.
    You want to know what an appropriate stance against the church following the Cloyne report was? There should have been gardaí kicking down the doors of churches and residences, seizing documents and taking priests and bishops in for questioning. The 'embassy' in the Vatican should be shut immediately and the nuncio told to GTFO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    latenia wrote: »
    He's still the same lightweight nonentity he always was but because he manages to deliver one speech which was written for him after extensive coaching in speaking by a PR company the easily swayed public now think he's a cross between JFK and Cicero.
    You want to know what an appropriate stance against the church following the Cloyne report was? There should have been gardaí kicking down the doors of churches and residences, seizing documents and taking priests and bishops in for questioning. The 'embassy' in the Vatican should be shut immediately and the nuncio told to GTFO.

    Some chance of any of that happening with our politicians. Unless there is some degree of actual punishment then Enda's speech will stand right up there with Jack Lynch's " We will not stand idly by ..." speech. Don't hold you're breath though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    latenia wrote: »
    He's still the same lightweight nonentity he always was but because he manages to deliver one speech which was written for him after extensive coaching in speaking by a PR company the easily swayed public now think he's a cross between JFK and Cicero.
    You want to know what an appropriate stance against the church following the Cloyne report was? There should have been gardaí kicking down the doors of churches and residences, seizing documents and taking priests and bishops in for questioning. The 'embassy' in the Vatican should be shut immediately and the nuncio told to GTFO.

    Whether it was written for him or not it was, in one speech, more than Cowen or Ahern ever delivered in words or actions against the Church.

    Unless you count the little deal FF struck with the Church.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭stateofflux


    never been a fan...but my regard for him has risen after the speech against the vatican...fianna fail would never have done that imo....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭johnmcdnl


    I don't love him and I don't hate him... he hasn't ****ed up notoriously bad yet but hasn't done anything amazing yet but he did basically call the pope an awful bolix so that put him on the slightly good side....

    so on the good side but still mehhh


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