Catholic Church claims it is above the law

Latchy · 18-07-2011 04:59PM

yutta wrote: »

Why do you put a space before your full stops? Is that how it's done in Uranus?

Like these ..... ?

it suits me at the time ,sorta like a pause .

Go back to your time warp

Delirium · 18-07-2011 04:59PM

yutta wrote: »

Catholics in 2011 are the new Jews of the 1930s.

not even close. No Catholic laywers, shops or other businesses are being boycotted.

Catholics are not barred from being members of the government, in fact they probably make up at least 80% of the government.

Read up on some of the history of the Jews in the 1930s before making such an ill-informed comment.

yutta · 18-07-2011 05:00PM

Latchy wrote: »

Like these ..... ?

it suits me at the time ,sorta like a pause .

I suppose avant garde punctuation helps you get your point across... (btw, an ellipsis is represented by three dots)

charlemont · 18-07-2011 05:01PM

yutta wrote: »

Catholics in 2011 are the new Jews of the 1930s.

Fairly sick comparison.

yutta · 18-07-2011 05:01PM

koth wrote: »

not even close. No Catholic laywers, shops or other businesses are being boycotted.

Catholics are not barred from being members of the government, in fact they probably make up at least 80% of the government.

Read up on some of the history of the Jews in the 1930s before making such an ill-informed comment.

Catholics are barred from acting according to their conscience. For example, a Catholic would be de facto barred from heading up the "Equality Authority".

Delirium · 18-07-2011 05:03PM

yutta wrote: »

Catholics are barred from acting according to their conscience. For example, a Catholic would be de facto barred from heading up the "Equality Authority".

No they wouldn't, unless you're saying that Catholics can't treat everybody as equals due to their conscience

yutta · 18-07-2011 05:04PM

koth wrote: »

No they wouldn't, unless you're saying that Catholics can't treat everybody as equals due to their conscience

I'm saying wha?

Biggins · 18-07-2011 05:04PM

yutta wrote: »

Catholics are barred from acting according to their conscience. For example, a Catholic would be de facto barred from heading up the "Equality Authority".

I ask out out of genuine curiosity - where in any rules/regulations might it give that ruling?

Pace2008 · 18-07-2011 05:04PM

yutta wrote: »

Wha?

You've been banned and have re-registered under a dozen or so accounts, right? (Bear in mind God does not look kindly on liars).

You're Catholic, right?

You'd probably be pretty insulted if someone insinuated you were more likely to beat or insult their children by virtue of the fact you're Catholic...right?

seamus · 18-07-2011 05:05PM

yutta wrote: »

For example, a Catholic would be de facto barred from heading up the "Equality Authority".

That's incorrect.

He would not be barred by virtue of being Catholic. However, if he were to act contrary to the ethos of the job, then he would be fired. Whether his own personal ethos comes from Catholicism, satanism or zoroastrianism would be irrelevant.

In fact, he would be barring himself from heading up the Equality Authority because he has chosen a set of beliefs which contradict those of civil society.

admiralofthefleet · 18-07-2011 05:06PM

Scarlette Gorgeous Ware wrote: »

No a few priests who went out and did some very very bad things does not make the catholic church a cult. You would swear harming children was actually part of it the way you and some other are going on, ye are unable or dont want to see that its not the church itself thats done anything wrong its a small number of its members.

I don't know a single person who was controlled or put in danger by the catholic church and virtually everyone I know is or was in the past a practising catholic.

covering up abuse came right from the ratzinger animal at the top

yutta · 18-07-2011 05:06PM

seamus wrote: »

That's incorrect.

He would not be barred by virtue of being Catholic. However, if he were to act contrary to the ethos of the job, then he would be fired. Whether his own personal ethos comes from Catholicism, satanism or zoroastrianism would be irrelevant.

In fact, he would be barring himself from heading up the Equality Authority because he has chosen a set of beliefs which contradict those of civil society.

lol.

What's the ethos of the job?

What are the beliefs of "civil society"?

yutta · 18-07-2011 05:06PM

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

covering up abuse came right from the ratzinger animal at the top

Bigot.

yutta · 18-07-2011 05:08PM

Pace2008 wrote: »

You've been banned and have registered under a dozen or so accounts, right? (Bear in mind God does not look kindly on liars).

Nice try. Troll.

Pace2008 wrote: »

You're Catholic, right?

No ****, Sherlock.

Pace2008 wrote: »

You'd probably be pretty insulted if someone insinuated you were more likely to beat or insult their children by virtue of the fact you're Catholic...right?

Water off a duck's back. Uneducated fools who know nothing of Catholic faith aren't exactly the ones to be criticising the religious beliefs of others.

Delirium · 18-07-2011 05:09PM

yutta wrote: »

I'm saying wha?

seamus wrote: »

That's incorrect.

He would not be barred by virtue of being Catholic. However, if he were to act contrary to the ethos of the job, then he would be fired. Whether his own personal ethos comes from Catholicism, satanism or zoroastrianism would be irrelevant.

In fact, he would be barring himself from heading up the Equality Authority because he has chosen a set of beliefs which contradict those of civil society.

what seamus said

yutta · 18-07-2011 05:10PM

koth wrote: »

what seamus said

It's a pity seamus can't be more specific when he talks about "ethos" and "civil society". LOL

seamus · 18-07-2011 05:10PM

yutta wrote: »

What's the ethos of the job?

What are the beliefs of "civil society"?

Civil society doesn't believe in treating any member of that society with less rights than another on the basis of some core, unchangeable traits, such as gender, race, sexuality & a few others.

yutta wrote: »

Bigot.

Bigotry is intolerance of ideas, effectively. You can't be a bigot for disliking an individual.

It's a pity seamus can't be more specific when he talks about "ethos" and "civil society". LOL

I'm sorry I wasn't able to respond to your post in less than 4 minutes.

LOL

Latchy · 18-07-2011 05:10PM

yutta wrote: »

I suppose avant garde punctuation helps you get your point across... (btw, an ellipsis is represented by three dots)

The main thing is I get them across .

charlemont wrote: »

Fairly sick comparison.

He's scraping the barrel for returns = Attention

Pace2008 wrote: »

You've been banned and have registered under a dozen or so accounts, right? (Bear in mind God does not look kindly on liars).

Sticks out a mile

You're Catholic, right?

You'd probably be pretty insulted if someone insinuated you were more likely to beat or insult their children by virtue of the fact you're Catholic...right?

With a terrible hang up about it to .

Pace2008 · 18-07-2011 05:12PM

yutta wrote: »

Nice try. Troll.

So I'm incorrect? Y/N

God is watching you type...

Water off a duck's back. Uneducated fools who know nothing of Catholic faith aren't exactly the ones to be criticising the religious beliefs of others.

Your rage is showing. Not very nice. Most unchristian of you.

KeithM89_old · 18-07-2011 05:12PM

yutta wrote: »

Why do you put a space before your full stops? Is that how it's done in Uranus?

yutta wrote: »

I suppose avant garde punctuation helps you get your point across... (btw, an ellipsis is represented by three dots)

yutta wrote: »

Bigot.

yutta wrote: »

Nice try. Troll.

No ****, Sherlock.

Water off a duck's back. Uneducated fools who know nothing of Catholic faith aren't exactly the ones to be criticising the religious beliefs of others.

Do not post in this thread again or il ban you.

Undergod · 18-07-2011 05:12PM

yutta wrote: »

Catholics in 2011 are the new Jews of the 1930s.

Right.

Edit: Ninja'd more than anyone ever.

admiralofthefleet · 18-07-2011 05:13PM

yutta wrote: »

Bigot.

how is he not? he continually allowed other animals in that cult to abuse in full knowledge that they wouldnt be prosecuted because the abuse was being covered up

edit:didnt see keith's post above advising this user not to reply. i was replying myself when keith posted

Biggins · 18-07-2011 05:22PM

Undergod wrote: »

I know its off topic but it still shudders me to think that someone could do that to anyone, never mind kids.

Knight who says Meh · 18-07-2011 05:32PM

crucamim wrote: »

That falls a long way short of an apology. I did not describe you or anyone else as a "troll". Nor did I abuse or insult anyone. Nor did I use vulgar language. I did have manners, you did not. And now you have the audacity to lecture me on manners.

Firstly can i ask if you know what a troll is?
Secondly you are dodging and side stepping because you are unable to give an answer and it really is quite pathetic.
Here are the facts.
There are few or no records of catholic children being victimised or bullied specifically because of their religion in this country to any degree. There is no organisation of atheists in this country with a hierarchy. There probably never will be as we dont go about seeking to have our hands held.

Yet you are flailing around making wild and stupid accusations of such bullying and organised discrimination.
On the other hand there is a documented history of catholic abuse of catholic and non catholic women and children and you seem to be totally in favour of this situation and want it to continue.

SO. WHATS THIS ABOUT THEN???
AND IM REALLY REALLY REALLY SORRY I CALLED YOU A TROLL

Latchy · 18-07-2011 05:35PM

Biggins wrote: »

I know its off topic but it still shudders me to think that someone could do that to anyone, never mind kids.

Off topic to I know but not to mention the Croation Nazis who murdered hundreds of thousends of men women and children under the knowledge of their church ,The Japanese against the Chinese at Nanking , the Germans against the Russians , Poles and other races in the far east ,the Russians themselfs in their homeland and neighbouring countrys as well as in Germany with the rapes of 2 million women ,the list goes on .

You also had a pope who at the time the Holocust was taking place , had sleepness nights worrying about how he was going to address Hitler when he met him ie, as in Sir or your Highness .

Sometimes you feel ashamed for being human , never mind belonging to this or that religion and mans inhumanity to man would put anybody off any religion simply because it never saved these millions of people from those horrors .

mcmoustache · 18-07-2011 05:43PM

I've read all of this thread now and it has been a roller coaster of a ride. Sometimes hilarious, sometimes disturbing and sometimes infuriating.

We've had catholics defend their faith against those who tar all catholics with the same paedo brush but who were also strangely absent from the thread.

We saw philologos make essentially one simple point about how the idea was unworkable, yet he had to explain this countless times and was even accused of being catholic and defending the church.

We had our persecution complex catholics behaving in a very unchristian way, calling people bigots and comparing their plight to the Jews of 1930.

This has probably been the best Christian thread ever in AH.

Min · 18-07-2011 05:50PM

Latchy wrote: »

Off topic to I know but not to mention the Croation Nazis who murdered hundreds of thousends of men women and children under the knowledge of their church ,The Japanese against the Chinese at Nanking , the Germans against the Russians , Poles and other races in the far east ,the Russians themselfs in their homeland and neighbouring countrys as well as in Germany with the rapes of 2 million women ,the list goes on .

You also had a pope who at the time the Holocust was taking place , had sleepness nights worrying about how he was going to address Hitler when he met him ie, as in Sir or your Highness .

Sometimes you feel ashamed for being human , never mind belonging to this or that religion and mans inhumanity to man would put anybody off any religion simply because it never saved these millions of people from those horrors .

You must feel foolish for believing a myth about Pope Pius, it was started by the Soviets who put on a play in Germany in 1956 where they made out the Pope did nothing and the play was believed to be fact.

Over 3,000 Jews were at Castel Gandolfo during WW2.

Here are some quotes before the myth was was believed as fact.

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]We share in the grief of humanity [at the death of Pius XII]…. When fearful martyrdom came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the pope was raised for the victims. The life of our times was enriched by a voice speaking out on the great moral truths above the tumult of daily conflict. We mourn a great servant of peace.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]~ Golda Meir[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]No keener rebuke has come to Nazism than from Pope Pius XI and his successor, Pope Pius XII.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]~ Rabbi Louis Finkelstein, chancellor, Jewish Theological Seminary of America[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]In the most difficult hours of which we Jews of Romania have passed through, the generous assistance of the Holy See…was decisive and salutary. It is not easy for us to find the right words to express the warmth and consolation we experienced because of the concern of the supreme pontiff, who offered a large sum to relieve the sufferings of deported Jews…. The Jews of Romania will never forget these facts of historic importance.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]~ Rabbi Alexander Safran, chief rabbi of Romania[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The people of Israel will never forget what His Holiness and his illustrious delegates, inspired by the eternal principles of religion, which form the very foundation of true civilization, are doing for our unfortunate brothers and sisters in the most tragic hour of our history, which is living proof of Divine Providence in this world.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]~ Rabbi Isaac Herzog, chief rabbi of Israel[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]I told [Pope Pius XII] that my first duty was to thank him, and through him the Catholic Church, on behalf of the Jewish public for all they [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]had done in the various countries to rescue Jews…. We are deeply grateful to the Catholic Church.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]~ Moshe Sharett (who later became Israel's first foreign minister and second prime minister)[/FONT]

Latchy · 18-07-2011 06:02PM

Min wrote: »

You must feel foolish for believing a myth about Pope Pius, it was started by the Soviets who put on a play in Germany in 1956 where they made out the Pope did nothing and the play was believed to be fact.

Over 3,000 Jews were at Castel Gandolfo during WW2.

Well myth or nay , ( but I except it's a myth on your say ) the church like everybody else took a back seat wherever the Nazis showed up simply because they didn't have the power to challenge them .My original point being that religions have being the cause of more human suffering throughout history .

Ghost Buster · 18-07-2011 06:06PM

Latchy wrote: »

Well myth or nay , ( but I except it's a myth on your say ) the church like everybody else took a back seat wherever the Nazis showed up simply because they didn't have the power to challenge them .My original point being that religions have being the cause of more human suffering throughout history .

I think that Min may be Jim Corr wearing his catholic pants.;)

Latchy · 18-07-2011 06:09PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

I think that Min may be Jim Corr wearing his catholic pants.;)

LoL ..well I shudda guessed .

Catholic Church claims it is above the law

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