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Catholic Church claims it is above the law

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  • #842
    crucamim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 897 ✭✭✭crucamim


    Tayla wrote: »

    How can people go to mass or even want to be near a priest knowing that if that priest knew that your child was being abused then they would say nothing?

    Leave that to them? How perfect are you?


  • #843
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    Tayla wrote: »
    Well of course I believe that the UK, US and other western countries are failing to protect children if they are saying that it is ok for priests to not alert authorities to paedophiles, how would anyone not believe that??

    They do not see it as ok not to report paedophiles or hebephiles or any abuse for that matter, they respect the seal of the confessional given it something between the confessor and their God, the priest has to administer it.


  • #844
    crucamim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 897 ✭✭✭crucamim


    Knight who says Meh wrote: »
    Crucamin you big old legendary troll you!!!!!!:D


    Are you going to address this question?

    Please apologise for calling me a "troll".


  • #845
    crucamim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 897 ✭✭✭crucamim


    Bambi wrote: »

    Ruairi is a fairly commited athiest I'd say and he's coming to get your kiddies :eek:

    I know that.


  • #846
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Min wrote: »
    One goes to mass to receive the sacrament of the Eucharist, being a catholic is a 24/7 thing.

    Ah yes, cannibalism..that other mainstay of the catholic faith.:)


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  • #847
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,142 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    crucamim wrote: »
    In that case, why do you want such a law to be made? Is it to give offense to Catholics?

    Catholics aren't the only ones with the sacrament of confession. Other Christian denominations have it too. Muslim and Jewish people have it too AFAIK.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #848
    admiralofthefleet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    letter from this mornings metro herald:

    A Vatican Conspiracy

    Widespread rape and torture are considered crimes against humanity, according to the international criminal court. The leaders of a government dont need to order them to be guilty, they just need to tolerate them.
    Joseph Ratzinger, the democratically elected leader of the vatican state, and his underlings have not only tolerated these crimes against humanity for decades, they have conspired to hide them and protect the perpetrators of these crimes

    END





    seriously, when will that animal and his bishops implicated in the report be arrested for crimes against humanity


  • #849
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Religious orders: We never agreed to splitting compensation costs

    THE RELIGIOUS GROUPS of whom Ruairi Quinn claimed he asked to pay half of compensation costs to abuse victims never agreed to this 50:50 split, according to the Irish Times.

    Patsy McGarry writes this morning that a source from the 18 religious groups whose institutions became the focus of the Ryan Commission into abuse said the groups never agreed to splitting the costs with the State.

    The congregations are to meet with the Education Minister next Friday but, according to McGarry, are now considering not attending in protest.
    http://www.thejournal.ie/religious-orders-we-never-agreed-to-splitting-compensation-costs-179742-Jul2011/

    Earlier background report with details of amounts involved: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/minister-warns-church-on-abuse-irsquoll-send-in-the-bailiffs-2813555.html

    The feckers now are now not willing to cough up even 50% towards their victims and payout to them!


  • #850
    admiralofthefleet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    Biggins wrote: »
    http://www.thejournal.ie/religious-orders-we-never-agreed-to-splitting-compensation-costs-179742-Jul2011/

    Earlier background report with details of amounts involved: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/minister-warns-church-on-abuse-irsquoll-send-in-the-bailiffs-2813555.html

    The feckers now are now not willing to cough up towards victims and payout to them!

    the cult is worth billions yet it wont pay out on compensation claims, animals that will rot in hell is all they are, 'pope' john paul II is already in hell and ratzinger will be joining him.

    earlier in the thread i read that one of the animals asked parisioners to donate towards the cost of compensation


  • #851
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    admiralofthefleet wrote: »
    letter from this mornings metro herald:

    A Vatican Conspiracy

    Widespread rape and torture are considered crimes against humanity, according to the international criminal court. The leaders of a government dont need to order them to be guilty, they just need to tolerate them.
    Joseph Ratzinger, the democratically elected leader of the vatican state, and his underlings have not only tolerated these crimes against humanity for decades, they have conspired to hide them and protect the perpetrators of these crimes

    END





    seriously, when will that animal and his bishops implicated in the report be arrested for crimes against humanity


    Ratzo will be able to claim that he's actually the head of state of the vatican, where none of these abuses are occurring. His role as god's top man on earth is separate


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  • #852
    Tayla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭Tayla


    crucamim wrote: »
    Leave that to them? How perfect are you?

    Oh come on i'm talking about me and all the other parents out there. Some paedophile could confess to molesting my child and then the priest wouldn't tell me that because of a confessional seal??

    Perfect?????? Are you mad? If the definition of perfection would be doing your utmost to protect children from paedophiles then believe me I am pretty damn perfect!

    Or what else do you mean? Am I perfect when it comes to following the bible? No I'm not but amazingly enough I think hiding the sins and crimes of paedophiles is a hell of a lot worse than coveting things or using the lord's name in vain.


  • #853
    admiralofthefleet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    Bambi wrote: »
    Ratzo will be able to claim that he's actually the head of state of the vatican, where none of these abuses are occurring. His role as god's top man on earth is separate

    who said he is?


  • #854
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    admiralofthefleet wrote: »
    who said he is?

    god top man? He does..plus the bishops and all the other holy hats and the thousands of years of being the one true faith...yadda yadda


  • #855
    rivka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 ✭rivka


    Religious law should never supersede civil law. It is, quite frankly, dangerous on too many levels - and on another note, why should Catholics be exempt from civil law by entering their plea into a Confession, when every other religion in this country would have their discrepancies forwarded (by duty of care) on to the relevant authorities by whoever heard them?! So ridiculous.


  • #856
    admiralofthefleet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    Bambi wrote: »
    god top man? He does..plus the bishops and all the other holy hats and the thousands of years of being the one true faith...yadda yadda

    oh thats right he is infallible. can a member of the catholic cult come into the thread and tell me where it says in the bible that a man can be 'infallible'


  • #857
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    admiralofthefleet wrote: »
    the cult is worth billions

    Would you ever stop calling it a cult, its getting very annoying as its not a cult.


  • #858
    admiralofthefleet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    Scarlette Gorgeous Ware wrote: »
    Would you ever stop calling it a cult, its getting very annoying as its not a cult.

    it is a cult


  • #859
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    admiralofthefleet wrote: »
    it is a cult

    Look up the word cult, if your able. It couldn't be further from a cult.


  • #860
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    Biggins wrote: »
    http://www.thejournal.ie/religious-orders-we-never-agreed-to-splitting-compensation-costs-179742-Jul2011/

    Earlier background report with details of amounts involved: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/minister-warns-church-on-abuse-irsquoll-send-in-the-bailiffs-2813555.html

    The feckers now are now not willing to cough up even 50% towards their victims and payout to them!

    The government are stupid, there was a deal done, then this 50/50 split was done by the government without consulting those who would have to pay more and it was never agreed.

    It was on the Pat Kenny show this morning that the religious orders want to pay the victims directly but the state wants the money first, maybe the state needs the money worse than the victims.....


  • #861
    admiralofthefleet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    Scarlette Gorgeous Ware wrote: »
    Look up the word cult, if your able. It couldn't be further from a cult.

    whats that meant to mean

    cults control and are dangerous to their members. the catholic cult is that


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  • #862
    Suzie Sue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Suzie Sue


    admiralofthefleet wrote: »
    whats that meant to mean

    cults control and are dangerous to their members. the catholic cult is that

    LOL - They arrest us every Sunday and drag us down to mass

    conspiracy.jpg


  • #863
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    rivka wrote: »
    Religious law should never supersede civil law. It is, quite frankly, dangerous on too many levels - and on another note, why should Catholics be exempt from civil law by entering their plea into a Confession, when every other religion in this country would have their discrepancies forwarded (by duty of care) on to the relevant authorities by whoever heard them?! So ridiculous.

    When one goes to confession they aren't entering a plea, they are looking for forgiveness from God.


  • #864
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    admiralofthefleet wrote: »
    whats that meant to mean

    cults control and are dangerous to their members. the catholic cult is that

    No a few priests who went out and did some very very bad things does not make the catholic church a cult. You would swear harming children was actually part of it the way you and some other are going on, ye are unable or dont want to see that its not the church itself thats done anything wrong its a small number of its members.

    I don't know a single person who was controlled or put in danger by the catholic church and virtually everyone I know is or was in the past a practising catholic.


  • #865
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,142 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Scarlette Gorgeous Ware wrote: »
    Look up the word cult, if your able. It couldn't be further from a cult.
    Cult.

    1.A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object
    - the cult of St. Olaf

    2.A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister
    - a network of Satan-worshiping cults

    It meets the first definition of cult, and it's doesn't meet the other definition purely on basis of scale.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #866
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Min wrote: »
    The government are stupid, there was a deal done, then this 50/50 split was done by the government without consulting those who would have to pay more and it was never agreed.

    It was on the Pat Kenny show this morning that the religious orders want to pay the victims directly but the state wants the money first, maybe the state needs the money worse than the victims.....
    I take anything I hear on Kenny and RTE with a pinch of salt but even then...

    Actually the 50/50 payout came about because of the 2009 Ryan Report.
    Yes, the religious orders want to pay the victims directly as to avoiding having to account by normal book keeping practises, observation by the state and accountability.

    They can say "well we paid out X amount" and there would be no independent/state verification ability to actually show that they actually did pay out that full amount!
    - Frankly I wouldn't trust any of the religious orders and its only right that the state over sees the compensation amounts.
    We don't allow victims to receive money from abusers in direct handovers in most modern countries.
    The courts/state do this, act as a go between as to ensure that it is indeed done and to the full amount.

    The fact also that they won't even pay out 50% of compensation to their victims, is frankly disgusting.
    They should be paying out 100% for fcuks sake anyway!


  • #867
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    koth: Technically every religion is a cult. Indeed, other forms of non-religious devotion could also be argued to be cults. Quite interesting actually.


  • #868
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,669 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    philologos wrote: »
    koth: Technically every religion is a cult. Indeed, other forms of non-religious devotion could also be argued to be cults. Quite interesting actually.

    Cult movies, cult hero, a band can be said to have a cult following... yup.


  • #869
    irishdude11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭irishdude11


    crucamim wrote: »
    Thank you for being so honest. And you are perfectly within your rights to hate what you think deserves to be hated.

    I hope you will appreciate that Catholics have a right to refuse to allow their children to share a classroom or playground with the children of a person who hates their church. Or to let such a person teach their dear little children.

    It's great that Catholics have that right isn't it? But what about the rights of everyone in the country not to have their children educated by an organisation that has raped and abused generations of Irish children, and covered it up?

    The RCC is one sick, twisted, disgusting f*cking cult. Hopefully this Cloyne report, and that fact that we have a non-FF govnmt, will finally see this country tell the church to go and get f*cked once and for all and leave us in peace. Unfortunately they are so deeply embedded in society I reckon it will take another couple of these reports to finally kill them off.


  • #870
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Crucamin:
    Even though I am convinced that you are trolling as your level of hysterical paranoid psychosis is frankly unbelievable I will humour you for a moment.
    What do you base you conviction that innocent little catholic children need to be kept in a bubble and protected from the big bad world outside?
    If we take for granted that in the real world outside of boards we are all students, parents, workers and regular guys who interact every day with catholics, protestants, Jews, atheists, scientologists etc etc.Many of us have traditional Catholic families with whom we get on just fine. We do this without confrontation or without bullying adults or children. If you claim it otherwise you are either lying or need a new circle of friends and aquaintances.
    Boards is not the real world. Nobody is as blunt, confrontational or are given the opportunity for debate in this manner in the real world.
    So. What are you basing your trolling and / or paranoia upon?


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  • #871
    Knight who says Meh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 464 ✭✭Knight who says Meh


    crucamim wrote: »
    Please apologise for calling me a "troll".
    I apologise unreservedly for calling you a big old legendary Troll.
    Im so very very sorry.

    Now will you have the manners and be Christian enough to answer Ghost Busters question.
    Let me paraphrase it:
    The Pope , Bishops, assorted Clergy and religious institutions have been proven beyond a shadow of doubt to be hurtful to catholic children.
    You have stated over and over that innocent little catholic children need protecting from those who hurt them.
    Wouldnt it be safer for non catholics to run schools.
    Discuss....


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