Catholic Church claims it is above the law

charlemont · 17-07-2011 07:11PM

crucamim wrote: »

No Catholic child should have to submit to the authority of an anti-Catholic teacher.

School is for education not religion, If you feel like that bring his ass to church every Sunday, Im sure the priests will appreciate it. Especially the "ass" bit.

crucamim · 17-07-2011 07:15PM

charlemont wrote: »

School is for education not religion, If you feel like that bring his ass to church every Sunday, Im sure the priests will appreciate it. Especially the "ass" bit.

And Catholic children have a right to be educated in safety from vulgar anti-Catholic bigots like yourself.

dvpower · 17-07-2011 07:15PM

crucamim wrote: »

In the Irish Republic, which religion has been granted special status?

You must have been asleep in 1973 when the special status was removed.

The Fifth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland removed from the constitution a controversial reference to the "special position" of the Roman Catholic Church as well as recognition of certain other named religious denominations. It was effected by the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution Act, 1972 which was approved by referendum on 7 December 1972 and signed into law on 5 January 1973.

dvpower · 17-07-2011 07:21PM

crucamim wrote: »

I cannot understand why the child protection policies (or lack of such policies) of the Catholic Church or of any other organisation should be of any concern to the government. It is the job of the government, through the police, social workers, probation officers and the courts to protect children - and adults.

And this is why we need mandatory reporting - we can't have confidence in the RCC to implement their own child protection guidelines. They can't be trusted to self regulate.

crucamim wrote: »

An organisation might have reasons of its own for having child protection policies e.g. public relations and legal liability in private law.

Yes. I think many of us are coming to the conclusion after Cloyne that the RCCs child protection policies are just a PR excercise. Good call.

dvpower · 17-07-2011 07:25PM

crucamim wrote: »

I am not at all sure that any legislative attack on the right to confidentiality between doctor and patient would survive scrutiny in the European Court of Human Right. Likewise any attack on the right to confidentiality between solicitor and client.

Doctor patient privilege is not unrestricted. Nor is lawyer client privilege.

crucamim · 17-07-2011 07:26PM

dvpower wrote: »

You must have been asleep in 1973 when the special status was removed.

And 38 years later, some people are still complaining about it. It causes me to suspect that you anti-Catholics have no grievances so you either make up grievances or you hark back to historic grievances. What privileges did that clause in the Constitution confer on the Catholic Church in Eire?

charlemont · 17-07-2011 07:28PM

crucamim wrote: »

And Catholic children have a right to be educated in safety from vulgar anti-Catholic bigots like yourself.

So they don't learn the truth, How very convenient..

Vulgar, Yes, Thats one word you could use to describe me. No problems with that. Smart is another one for future reference.:D

dvpower · 17-07-2011 07:30PM

crucamim wrote: »

The indemnity was no gift by the State to the Catholic Church. The State had skeletons in its cupboard, very, many skeletons. None of those Religious Orders had sent out snatch squads to grab people from the streets and drag them, kicking and screaming, to any of their Industrial Schools, Orphanages or Care Homes. People were sent to those places because the State had no facilities of its own. The State used the facilities which the Catholic Church, thanks to its plentiful supply of cheap, celibate labour, could provide on the cheap. So the State was totally responsible. Not only did it send unfortunate people to those places, it also failed to supervise those places.

@crucamim: Honest question. Do you actually believe the stuff you post?
Do you think even for a second about it before you hit the submit button?

dvpower · 17-07-2011 07:34PM

crucamim wrote: »

And 38 years later, some people are still complaining about it. It causes me to suspect that you anti-Catholics have no grievances so you either make up grievances or you hark back to historic grievances. What privileges did that clause in the Constitution confer on the Catholic Church in Eire?

So you do know that there is no 'special status'. Then why did you post this:

crucamim wrote: »

In the Irish Republic, which religion has been granted special status?

Are you just trolling or is it worse than that?

Mickeroo · 17-07-2011 08:20PM

dvpower wrote: »

So you do know that there is no 'special status'. Then why did you post this:

Are you just trolling or is it worse than that?

It's worse, check out the religion in schools thread for further confirmation of their paranoid delusions.

Ghost Buster · 17-07-2011 08:33PM

crucamim wrote: »

In the Irish Republic, which religion has been granted special status?

I used the word "should" in a future conditional sense and you have used the word "Has" in a past and present tense so Im all confused.....

Ghost Buster · 17-07-2011 08:38PM

crucamim wrote: »

If you buy a lottery ticket and do not win, would you expect to get your money refunded?

You seem to be suggesting that lapsed Catholics have as much right to Catholic schools as do practising Catholics. You might understand democracy but you obviously do not understand the law of Trusts.

(1) The lottery analogy is stupid
(2) The citizens have the right to education without indoctrination and with each successive census and opinion poll the requirement and desire for catholic schools is dwindling and is utterly disproportionately represented.

Ghost Buster · 17-07-2011 08:44PM

crucamim wrote: »

And Catholic children have a right to be educated in safety from vulgar anti-Catholic bigots like yourself.

"Catholic" children couldnt give a monkeys. Its their parents that have issues which they soon pass along to their kids.
But why in light of all shouldnt anyone be anti catholic. Have you been locked in a box?
Do you not think it just the tinyest bit nuts that an institution with a track record like The RCC is in control of schools and the likes of you think this is a great situation?. Lets put foxes in charge of chickens while we are at it eh?

Min · 17-07-2011 08:52PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

"Catholic" children couldnt give a monkeys. Its their parents that have issues which they soon pass along to their kids.
But why in light of all shouldnt anyone be anti catholic. Have you been locked in a box?
Do you not think it just the tinyest bit nuts that an institution with a track record like The RCC is in control of schools and the likes of you think this is a great situation?. Lets put foxes in charge of chickens while we are at it eh?

The Catholic church has a great record in education, it is the biggest provider of education in the world outside of state education.
Millions are educated every year thanks to the catholic church.

Biggins · 17-07-2011 09:00PM

Min wrote: »

The Catholic church has a great record in education, it is the biggest provider of education in the world outside of state education.
Millions are educated every year thanks to the catholic church.

Hitler created a good eventual car industry and good roads, Mussolini made the trains supposedly run on time, Bertie supposedly was great at picking winners at horse races and getting free/cheap accommodation, there are many more examples big and small - all indicate that despite the person/org' and their deeds of good, don't sometimes make up or excuse their other deeds of bad!

Ghost Buster · 17-07-2011 09:03PM

Min wrote: »

The Catholic church has a great record in education, it is the biggest provider of education in the world outside of state education.
Millions are educated every year thanks to the catholic church.

Turkey farmers have a great record in turkey care. It is the biggest provider of food, shelter and care to turkeys in the world. Millions of turkeys are cared for every year thanks to turkey farmers.

Pssssssssssst. Just dont mention Christmas

johnmcdnl · 17-07-2011 09:04PM

Min wrote: »

The Catholic church has a great record in education, it is the biggest provider of education in the world outside of state education.
Millions are educated every year thanks to the catholic church.

so instead of giving money to the church people could give money to other charities maybe to provide education????

Dyr · 17-07-2011 09:11PM

Min wrote: »

The Catholic church has a great record in education, it is the biggest provider of education in the world outside of state education.
Millions are educated every year thanks to the catholic church.

I went to a catholic run school for a few years...worst years of my life, shower of c**ts

Biggins · 17-07-2011 09:12PM

johnmcdnl wrote: »

so instead of giving money to the church people could give money to other charities maybe to provide education????

I would happily suggest "Educate Together"
(A shameless plug there)

crucamim · 17-07-2011 09:42PM

dvpower wrote: »

And this is why we need mandatory reporting

The reporting should be done by the victims or by the parents or guardians of the victim. Let the police take it from there.

crucamim · 17-07-2011 09:44PM

charlemont wrote: »

So they don't learn the truth, How very convenient.:D

Why do you want power over defenceless Catholic children?

crucamim · 17-07-2011 09:49PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

(2) The citizens have the right to education without indoctrination and with each successive census and opinion poll the requirement and desire for catholic schools is dwindling and is utterly disproportionately represented.

Are you insinuating that Catholics have a right to be Catholics only in places in which they are in a majority? If you want schools not controlled by the Catholic Church, build your own schools - just as Catholics did.

Ghost Buster · 17-07-2011 09:50PM

crucamim wrote: »

Why do you want power over defenceless Catholic children?

Power = Not teaching superstition in education time
Power = Not having an institution with a proven track record in neglection of responsibilities, self preservation, protection of child abusers etc etc

RRRRRRRRRRRRRright!

Ghost Buster · 17-07-2011 09:52PM

crucamim wrote: »

Are you insinuating that Catholics have a right to be Catholics only in places in which they are in a majority? If you want schools not controlled by the Catholic Church, build your own schools - just as Catholics did.

Who is removing their rights then?
My wife is a witch (yeah i know:rolleyes:). She didnt go to Hogworts and they didnt teach spell craft in her school but she doesnt claim that her rights were violated.

crucamim · 17-07-2011 09:54PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

But why in light of all shouldnt anyone be anti catholic. Have you been locked in a box?

Why should any Catholic allow his child to be taught by a person like yourself? Or allow his children to share a classroom or playground with your (presumably) anti-Catholic children?

Knight who says Meh · 17-07-2011 09:56PM

crucamim wrote: »

Why should any Catholic allow his child to be taught by a person like yourself? Or allow his children to share a classroom or playground with your (presumably) anti-Catholic children?

You have posted this in previous threads. Boring.......

Knight who says Meh · 17-07-2011 09:57PM

crucamim wrote: »

Are you insinuating that Catholics have a right to be Catholics only in places in which they are in a majority? If you want schools not controlled by the Catholic Church, build your own schools - just as Catholics did.

If the Catholic Church want to control schools try funding them with the money you have paid in child rape compensation claims.

crucamim · 17-07-2011 09:59PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

The RCC is in control of schools and the likes of you think this is a great situation?. Lets put foxes in charge of chickens while we are at it eh?

I think that it is right and proper that the Catholic Church controls the schools which it owns, that the GAA controls the property which it own and that I control the house which I own. It is also right and proper that Catholics can send their defenceless little children to schools which do not employ anti-Catholic teachers. Anyone who does not have confidence in Catholic schools should not send his children to a Catholic school.

Paparazzo · 17-07-2011 10:01PM

The solution to religion is simple. No religion in schools, and if you want your kids to grow up as catholics, bring them to sunday school where they learn to become catholics.
I don't think there's a child in the history of the state that actually takes religion class serious.

crucamim · 17-07-2011 10:06PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Power = Not teaching superstition in education time
Power = Not having an institution with a proven track record in neglection of responsibilities, self preservation, protection of child abusers etc etc
RRRRRRRRRRRRRright!

Can you prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that you would not:-

a) beat up defenceless Catholic children,
b) insult defenceless Catholic children,
c) encourage or allow anti-Catholic pupils to beat up Catholic children,
d) encourage or permit anti-Catholic pupils to insult Catholic children,
e) discriminate against Catholic children in disciplinary matters,
f) encourage other teachers to do any of the above,
g) cover-up other teachers bullying Catholic children?

Catholic Church claims it is above the law

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