Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip Rumours Thread 2011/2012

mufcboy1999 · 13-07-2011 10:54PM

what about cleverly lads is he on the tour? i heard fergie sayin he deerves his chance...

we could have went for him and robben as well as benzema in 09

robben turned us down for chelsea years ago when he was suppose to of agreed a deal, i remember he got the tour of old trafford and everything. as much of a good player he is, i think fergie had no interest in him after what he done and rightly so.

flahavaj · 13-07-2011 10:55PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

uniteds transfer dealings in general in 09 were appaling. the benzema deal should have been tied up before ronaldo left, fergie stated "no value" yet he was to blame for that, when the ronaldo deal drove up the prices all over europe and people new United had 100m. looks like its only being spent this summer now also.

we could have went for him and robben as well as benzema in 09, but f*cked it up. the money was there, so made no sense.

In hindsight, not going for Sneijder was a bad move, but equally I don't feel like we missed out one bit by not getting Benzema. As for Robben, he has been good since alright but its not as if we have struggled in the wide areas and perhaps nani wouldn't have developed like he has if Robben had been here.

You win some you lose some.

Jax Teller · 13-07-2011 10:55PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

we have a couple of great midfielders coming through in Morrison and Pogba - I think Fergie could be looking at signing an experienced (and class) player like Sneijder to mentor them through.

As for fitting him into the side, I know how I would do it, but I don't know how Fergie plans on doing it.

How would you do it Mitch ?

flahavaj · 13-07-2011 10:56PM

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

what about cleverly lads is he on the tour? i heard fergie sayin he deerves his chance...

He's joing up late with the other lads who played in the U-21's.

Jax Teller · 13-07-2011 11:00PM

flahavaj wrote: »

He's joing up late with the other lads who played in the U-21's.

I thinks its tomorrow they join up ? i think Phil Jones had that on his twitter a week or 2 ago

flahavaj · 13-07-2011 11:02PM

keysersoze_88 wrote: »

I thinks its tomorrow they join up ? i think Phil Jones had that on his twitter a week or 2 ago

The sooner the better. The players I really want to see most are Welbeck, Cleverly, Jones and de Gea. Especially interseted in where Fergie plays the two bolded lads.

homerjay2005 · 13-07-2011 11:03PM

flahavaj wrote: »

In hindsight, not going for Sneijder was a bad move, but equally I don't feel like we missed out one bit by not getting Benzema. As for Robben, he has been good since alright but its not as if we have struggled in the wide areas and perhaps nani wouldn't have developed like he has if Robben had been here.

You win some you lose some.

benzema would have been ideal for us. people are basing him on his madrid experience, i remember posting at the time of his move, how bad it was for him to be joining the madrid circus, i think united would have been ideal for him to nuture his career. he did a bit better this year, but has a long way to go. i still think he is a class player and, from what ive heard, fergie wanted him in last summer again to replace berba, but berba couldnt be offloaded.

i think mitch posted this also, so im not the only person that heard that...

adox · 13-07-2011 11:04PM

keysersoze_88 wrote: »

I thinks its tomorrow they join up ? i think Phil Jones had that on his twitter a week or 2 ago

He tweeted earlier tonight that he meets up with the squad on Friday. Course if he's talking UK time, technically we could both be right. :pac:

“@Ph1lj0nes: Just to confirm guys I meet up with the squad this Friday. Looking forward to the new season.”

Blatter · 13-07-2011 11:06PM

flahavaj wrote: »

In hindsight, not going for Sneijder was a bad move, but equally I don't feel like we missed out one bit by not getting Benzema. As for Robben, he has been good since alright but its not as if we have struggled in the wide areas and perhaps nani wouldn't have developed like he has if Robben had been here.

You win some you lose some.

Even saying that about Sneijder, Carrick and Fletcher were just after coming off the back of their best season at the club, we all had high hopes for Anderson, we still had Scholes and Giggs was also an option. Gibson was coming up and SAF felt he needed to give him a chance.

Sneijder was a talent but hadn't really done enough at Madrid to suggest he would improve the side at the time. You can see exactly why he wasn't signed.

As a previous poster said with regards Robben, I don't think we would go there after he turned us down for Chelsea even after being toured around Carrington.

Jax Teller · 13-07-2011 11:07PM

adox wrote: »

He tweeted earlier tonight that he meets up with the squad on Friday. Course if he's talking UK time, technically we could both be right. :pac:

check my time of posting :cool:

i just glanced at the date on the laptop and remembered the 15th for some reason.

flahavaj · 13-07-2011 11:08PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

benzema would have been ideal for us. people are basing him on his madrid experience, i remember posting at the time of his move, how bad it was for him to be joining the madrid circus, i think united would have been ideal for him to nuture his career. he did a bit better this year, but has a long way to go. i still think he is a class player and, from what ive heard, fergie wanted him in last summer again to replace berba, but berba couldnt be offloaded.

i think mitch posted this also, so im not the only person that heard that...

He probbaly is a far better player than he looks at Madrid, like many players are. But I'm still not upset we didn't get him, I'm happy with Berba's contribution last year and again its doubtful Chicharito would have developed like he did if we'd gotten Benzema in - so again hindsight being 20:20 I'm not sorry we didn't get him if that story about Berba is true.

Mitch Connor · 13-07-2011 11:10PM

keysersoze_88 wrote: »

How would you do it Mitch ?

I'd look at the Barcelona formation.

De Gea
Rafael-Ferdinand-Vidic-Evra

Carrick

Sneijder--Fletcher
---Nani

Chicho----Rooney

Rooney is played kinda left their for writing, but it would be a free role, allowing him to drop in behind and run the channel which is does normally. Would echo how he played last season off/behind Chico. Nani would play as a winger/wing-forward, as Pedro plays for Barcelona for example. The width would come from Raf and Nani on the right and then mainly Evra on the left. Sneijder wouldn't be playing a dedicated CM role, but he would be given a bit of freedom in there, with Carrick sitting (intercepting and taking off the back line) and Fletcher would be the defensive presence beside Sneijder.

Young could easily play in Nani or Rooney's position. Berbatov could play Rooney's position. Park could too I suppose. Valencia is more restricted, but maybe he could be played central.

I will be the first to admit our squad doesn't quite fit that formation given the amount of wingers we have, or players who can play on the wing or up front.

You could also try play a little more natural 442, with Sneijder playing the CM position Giggs played last season - I think he could do it against most teams, but not against the biggest/best.

Bodhisopha · 13-07-2011 11:11PM

Benzema is a really good player, he had a great second half or so to last season. Showed glimpses of brilliance before that but finally put some consistency together towards the end.

adox · 13-07-2011 11:12PM

keysersoze_88 wrote: »

check my time of posting :cool:

i just glanced at the date on the laptop and remembered the 15th for some reason.

Haha 00:00. Which means it must have been yesterday when you actually typing it.

Mr Alan · 13-07-2011 11:13PM

I think Utd would need a more conventional DM to be able to play that formation effectively Mitch.

flahavaj · 13-07-2011 11:14PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I'd look at the Barcelona formation.
De Gea
Rafael-Ferdinand-Vidic-Evra
Carrick
Sneijder--Fletcher
---Nani
Chicho----Rooney

Rooney is played kinda left their for writing, but it would be a free role, allowing him to drop in behind and run the channel which is does normally. Would echo how he played last season off/behind Chico. Nani would play as a winger/wing-forward, as Pedro plays for Barcelona for example. The width would come from Raf and Nani on the right and then mainly Evra on the left. Sneijder wouldn't be playing a dedicated CM role, but he would be given a bit of freedom in there, with Carrick sitting (intercepting and taking off the back line) and Fletcher would be the defensive presence beside Sneijder.

Young could easily play in Nani or Rooney's position. Berbatov could play Rooney's position. Park could too I suppose. Valencia is more restricted, but maybe he could be played central.

I will be the first to admit our squad doesn't quite fit that formation given the amount of wingers we have, or players who can play on the wing or up front.

You could also try play a little more natural 442, with Sneijder playing the CM position Giggs played last season - I think he could do it against most teams, but not against the biggest/best.

If you're gonna mimic Barca then you're probably better off with Rooney as the central striker and Nani and Young as the wide forwards. The three could easily interchange, Young and Rooney are competent as wide players as well as in the middle and we know Nani loves to cut inside. It'd be tough on Chico but the front three I've named looks that little bit more fluid IMO, with lots of pace and creaticity in equal measure. All three could easily hit double figures for both goals and assists.

Jax Teller · 13-07-2011 11:14PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I'd look at the Barcelona formation.
De Gea
Rafael-Ferdinand-Vidic-Evra
Carrick
Sneijder--Fletcher
---Nani
Chicho----Rooney

Rooney is played kinda left their for writing, but it would be a free role, allowing him to drop in behind and run the channel which is does normally. Would echo how he played last season off/behind Chico. Nani would play as a winger/wing-forward, as Pedro plays for Barcelona for example. The width would come from Raf and Nani on the right and then mainly Evra on the left. Sneijder wouldn't be playing a dedicated CM role, but he would be given a bit of freedom in there, with Carrick sitting (intercepting and taking off the back line) and Fletcher would be the defensive presence beside Sneijder.

Young could easily play in Nani or Rooney's position. Berbatov could play Rooney's position. Park could too I suppose. Valencia is more restricted, but maybe he could be played central.

I will be the first to admit our squad doesn't quite fit that formation given the amount of wingers we have, or players who can play on the wing or up front.

You could also try play a little more natural 442, with Sneijder playing the CM position Giggs played last season - I think he could do it against most teams, but not against the biggest/best.

This is my major concern , if he signs i hope proves us wrong of course . Would you rather we went for a more orthodox centre midfielder ?

The_Kew_Tour · 13-07-2011 11:16PM

I have decided to threaten the Mirror by saying I will never buy their paper again if Sneijder does not sign for us..Should teach them;)

eugeneious · 13-07-2011 11:16PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

I think Utd would need a more conventional DM to be able to play that formation effectively Mitch.

I was thinking that myself but if you look at Busquets and Carrick the one thing that they both do vey well is read the game and are constantly making interceptions but I do agree for the formation to be as effective as possible we would need a more conventional DM.

Jax Teller · 13-07-2011 11:17PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I have decided to threaten the Mirror by saying I will never buy their paper again if Sneijder does not sign for us..Should teach them;)

But how will you ever get your Georgia Salpa fix ?

Mitch Connor · 13-07-2011 11:18PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

I think Utd would need a more conventional DM to be able to play that formation effectively Mitch.

yeah - I would like us to sign Tiote or Diarra, but I still think the formation could, in general, work very well. there is enough defensive work in Carrick and Fletcher. The main reason I don't think that formation is actually likely is that I think we have too many wingers to make it the squad option. That team would bench Young, Park and Valencia. I don't see us benching 3 of them to be honest. I think Fergie is more likely to play 442, and in that case someone like Tiote or Diarra is required a lot more - and I don't think we will go for either (or anyone else)

flahavaj · 13-07-2011 11:18PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

I think Utd would need a more conventional DM to be able to play that formation effectively Mitch.

I think with that formation United would expect to dominate possession in quite a lot of games, making the use of a so-called specialist DM unnecessary. People underestimate Carrick's positional sense and ability to make interceptions too. You don't have to be all blood and thunder and last gasp challenges to be an effective screen for the back four.

The_Kew_Tour · 13-07-2011 11:19PM

keysersoze_88 wrote: »

But how will you ever get your Georgia Salpa fix ?

The Sun and Stars dude:)

Blatter · 13-07-2011 11:22PM

The problem I see straight away with that Mitch is Hernandez up top on his own. I don't think his link up play is good enough for that sort of role yet. Nor can he hold up the ball as well as he would be expected to do in that position.

You mention Rooney wide left but playing a similar role to what he did last season, drifting into the centre, but I think it's unrealistic to expect that would work out. He played wide left for us in a 4-3-3 many times over the years and has had no where near the same impact as he does when he starts primarily through the centre.

mufcboy1999 · 13-07-2011 11:22PM

De Gea
Rafael-Ferdinand-Vidic-Evra
Carrick
Sneijder--Fletcher
---Nani
Chicho----Rooney

de gea

jones- ferdinand- vidic- evra

fletcher
sneijder -- rooney

valencia ---- chica

nani

i think if your going to play the barca formation you need 2 players who can pass and split defences in the middle, carrick and fletcher arnt capable of that but iv fletcher in that holding/breaking up play role.

adox · 13-07-2011 11:22PM

Perhaps off topic sort of but, Modric reported to have handed in a transfer request. Guardian reporting it.

Jax Teller · 13-07-2011 11:25PM

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

de gea

jones- ferdinand- vidic- evra

fletcher
sneijder -- rooney

valencia ---- chica
nani

i think if your going to play the barca formation you need 2 players who can pass and split defences in the middle, carrick and fletcher arnt capable of that but iv fletcher in that holding/breaking up play role.

jones at rb ? has he ever played there before ? if your going to try copy barcas formation you dont play a cb intentionally at rb . when he have 2 good fullbacks in the twins

Mitch Connor · 13-07-2011 11:28PM

Blatter wrote: »

The problem I see straight away with that Mitch is Hernandez up top on his own. I don't think his link up play is good enough for that sort of role yet. Nor can he hold up the ball as well as he would be expected to do in that position.

You mention Rooney wide left but playing a similar role to what he did last season, drifting into the centre, but I think it's unrealistic to expect that would work out. He played wide left for us in a 4-3-3 many times over the years and has had no where near the same impact as he does when he starts primarily through the centre.

He was fine vs most teams at the back end of last season -only the Baraca game was a let down; and that was more down to inexperience and terrible support.

yabadabado · 13-07-2011 11:28PM

De Gea
Rafael-Ferdinand-Vidic-Evra

Carrick

Sneijder--Fletcher
---Nani

Rooney----Young

flahavaj · 13-07-2011 11:28PM

If Sneijder were signed:

The Gee

Raf

Rio

Vidic

Evra

Carrick

Sneijder----Fletch/Ando

Nani

Young

Rooney

Balance, pace, good in possession, should be much more effective at winning the midfield battle. The front three would be very fluid and rotate position a lot. In bigger European games you would have the option of Val/Park on the wings to add workrate and shape. You still have Berba/Chico/Giggs on the bench as game-changers as well as Clev and Welbeck. So many options.

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