[CoD Black Ops] - MegaBitch thread

El LoCo Ade wrote: »

.. and what about you?

Didn't say I was or wasn't, but i don't bitch about ghost every chance i get. I think its fine, just slightly over used.

There we go. One of my latest games from today(which i joined late)

Also sorry for the lack of quality but its from my phone and it tells me its in 720p :P

Foxhole Norman wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUxEi6UOBj8

There we go. One of my latest games (which i joined late)

Also sorry for the lack of quality but its from my phone and it tells me its in 720p :P

Can one of the mods embed this vid as i seem to be a bit retarded.

I dont play hardcore.. but i'd imagine ghost would be an essential perk for it ? Like coldblooded would have been in MW2.

I lol'd at the second chancer at 3:30.. must be sickening having to watch them crawl about

Magill wrote: »

proof of people over relying on UAV. Tunnel vision at its best.

IMO this is only a problem in Bops.

If some dude caught you by surprise by not showing up on the rad in MW2 or WAW, it was evened out by the fact that you most likely had SP and you could kill the son of a bitch quicker.

Ghost = Get the first bullet in.

Stopping power = One less bullet

Jugg = Able to take another bullet.

It's perfectly balanced, but BOPS have destroyed the balance completely by leaving out 2 of the 3. MW2 just about got away with it by leaving out 1.

Magill wrote: »

Not perfectly balanced at all... going by your theory the only time it would be balanced would be if the guy with stopping power had a UAV up and was busy radar watching, hence being suprised by the ghost. In every other situation SP + Jugg > ghost.

Yeah but in WAW everyone had the UAV at 3 kills so it was almost a constant. That's why it was balanced. Obviously that changed for MW2.

I dont think ghost is that much overused.. same way 2nd chance is not overused!! they are just damn right annoying and feels like a cheap death each time!!

I think the perks are pretty balanced tbh.. and either way there is always going to be some form of cheap kills in this genre of games.


Personally I feel hardline and flak-J are far more overused but not half as annoying in terms of ruining the game!

In saying that, it does feel like anytime I pull out RPG and fire it.. Mr flakman walks round the corner!! no kill!

Ade in the time you said you'd buy a new one I did

fjsanchez wrote: »

Imagine hitting a quad on Black Ops, but three of them fell into Second Chance :eek:

I've had a ALOT of clips ruined by second chance

Magill wrote: »

Your giving far too much credit to ghost... I use the m16 quite a bit and have destroyed other teams with it, alot of which being close range.. not because of ghost(I dont use it) but because they're bad players. Nuketown... if you think ghost is a better perk than flak jacket on that map... well.. your wrong. Flak jacket isn't primarily a defensive perk, its easily the best offensive perk in the game, try capping flags against even an "OK" team without it (ie.. going on the offensive). Rushing without it can be a pain thanks to claymores, its a great all round perk.

IMO ghost is almost useless when you play in a full party, i mean, how often do you come across randomers that use spy planes ? and even if you do come across them, how often do you let them get 3 kills ? And even when they do get the spyplane up in the air, how often do they get time to look at the radar before getting shanked by your teams spawn trap.

Ghost allows you to cap without the other team being alerted and you don't show up on radar. That's a huge advantage over flak jacket. I capped nuketown on my own using ghost once fairly recently and was surprised to do it as enemies ran right past me oblivious. I completely forgot that use for it. Yes, they could be bad players but even bad players can hear we're losing B and chuck a grenade at it. Ghost (pro?) stops that from happening.

Flak jacket is best used with tactical mask otherwise you're still vulnerable to grenade spam. Flak jacket and ghost are two viable options in capping points, one sneaky the other brute force, both with merits and faults. My default dom class is flak jacket, sleight of hand, tac mask pro, galil dual mags, semtex and smoke. Smoke past the objective, claymore in front of me and hope to survive the cap. The alternative is the ghost route where I deny any runners for B using the m16, marathon and then sneak (re)-capture it again leaving a claymore.

Flak jacket helps in surviving claymores but I personally prefer using jammers so that I can void claymores and radar and leave me free to use hardline or lightweight in my rush class. Flak jacket is great at times but if you encounter an enemy looking at their claymore you're going to get shot at by the enemy and have the claymore explode whilst with a jammer the only worry is the enemys bullets. Again there are different strengths and weaknesses and individual opinions will vary over which is best for what roles. What works for you might not work for me and vice versa.

With regard to ghost in a full party it's handy to have one or two people on a low profile kill streak building. I use ghost m16 and a pistol so I'll admit to being selfish but if it stops enemies from capping B that's still worthwhile for the team. Hopefully someone else will pick up the slack with a strella. Hardline has it's merits too but I'd reckon people's most successful classes for calling in the high killstreaks would be ghost and hardline, not flak jacket, lightweight or scavenger. I'm fairly certain iMuse and others use ghost when they're kill streak building, whilst Seamas and CFC use hardline. Different strokes for different folks, the faster killstreaks or staying off radar both have advantages and disadvantages. I had my highest ever streak of 33 kills guns only using flakjacket dom class but that was mostly done to pure luck rather than skill, since then I've moved onto hardline as my fave first tier perk where I've gone on to reach 34 again guns only, I think.

Its a much better solo perk than it is when playing in a group, i agree... but from what i can tell... hardly anyone on this forum plays solo regularly. If the randomers that you are spawn trapping and generally raping the **** out of use ghost.. i think they're entitled to it since its hardly an even playing field anyway, is it ?

I think you've answered your own question there, ghost is the easiest first tier perk to be good at, it infers both defensive and offensive qualities on users regardless of playing solo or in a group. Flak jacket to me isn't offensive, unless you use rpgs or c4 indoors and up close. I use ghost solo in the competitive barebones or pure playlists so my experience isn't applicable across the board. I'd recommend anyone give them a try, tough matches, but very satisfying to do well in. I'm not a major fan of killstreaks so I naturally prefer the gun orientated nature. In one gamemode (pure I think; it's window dressing) and in barebones you can't use attachments or equipment. It's far less useful compared to normal playlists on the whole as guns not killstreaks are the dominant source of kills. Yes, you avoid uavs and choppers but you still can't use a silencer so you're gun gives you away. Plus napalm can be ridiculously overpowered killing people in doors or miles away from the flames.

yimrsg wrote: »

Ghost allows you to cap without the other team being alerted and you don't show up on radar. That's a huge advantage over flak jacket. I capped nuketown on my own using ghost once fairly recently and was surprised to do it as enemies ran right past me oblivious. I completely forgot that use for it. Yes, they could be bad players but even bad players can hear we're losing B and chuck a grenade at it. Ghost (pro?) stops that from happening.

I capped nuketown B on my own using flak jacket plenty of times... i never said it was impossible to cap a flag with ghost, but against good teams... its almost impossible. I play groundwar on my own alot, and almost every game im capping flags on my own, it would be impossible to do that without flak jacket.

Flak jacket is best used with tactical mask otherwise you're still vulnerable to grenade spam. Flak jacket and ghost are two viable options in capping points, one sneaky the other brute force, both with merits and faults. My default dom class is flak jacket, sleight of hand, tac mask pro, galil dual mags, semtex and smoke. Smoke past the objective, claymore in front of me and hope to survive the cap. The alternative is the ghost route where I deny any runners for B using the m16, marathon and then sneak (re)-capture it again leaving a claymore.

I wouldn't say there is a best setup with flak jacket, i personally run it with marathon on almost every class. I hate how long it takes to get from point to point without it, is it better than tac mask pro ? Thats entirely based on the situation and a persons style of play. For the slower more defensive players i'd say so.

Flak jacket helps in surviving claymores but I personally prefer using jammers so that I can void claymores and radar and leave me free to use hardline or lightweight in my rush class. Flak jacket is great at times but if you encounter an enemy looking at their claymore you're going to get shot at by the enemy and have the claymore explode whilst with a jammer the only worry is the enemys bullets. Again there are different strengths and weaknesses and individual opinions will vary over which is best for what roles. What works for you might not work for me and vice versa.

Personally, i cant be arsed with jammers and motion sensors, they're a waste of time for me because i dont usually stay in the same area long. C4 is what i use most of the time now, much better for my style of play.

If theres someone looking at his claymore, the likelihood of him being half decent is slim and most of the time he'll be dead before he gets a shot off (Unless hes host).

With regard to ghost in a full party it's handy to have one or two people on a low profile kill streak building. I use ghost m16 and a pistol so I'll admit to being selfish but if it stops enemies from capping B that's still worthwhile for the team. Hopefully someone else will pick up the slack with a strella. Hardline has it's merits too but I'd reckon people's most successful classes for calling in the high killstreaks would be ghost and hardline, not flak jacket, lightweight or scavenger. I'm fairly certain iMuse and others use ghost when they're kill streak building, whilst Seamas and CFC use hardline. Different strokes for different folks, the faster killstreaks or staying off radar both have advantages and disadvantages. I had my highest ever streak of 33 kills guns only using flakjacket dom class but that was mostly done to pure luck rather than skill, since then I've moved onto hardline as my fave first tier perk where I've gone on to reach 34 again guns only, I think.

I'll not get into the high killstreak ****e again because i'd rather play alone than in a party of people using them. You didnt really answer anything i said about using ghost in a party tho.

I think you've answered your own question there, ghost is the easiest first tier perk to be good at, it infers both defensive and offensive qualities on users regardless of playing solo or in a group. Flak jacket to me isn't offensive, unless you use rpgs or c4 indoors and up close. I use ghost solo in the competitive barebones or pure playlists so my experience isn't applicable across the board. I'd recommend anyone give them a try, tough matches, but very satisfying to do well in. I'm not a major fan of killstreaks so I naturally prefer the gun orientated nature. In one gamemode (pure I think; it's window dressing) and in barebones you can't use attachments or equipment. It's far less useful compared to normal playlists on the whole as guns not killstreaks are the dominant source of kills. Yes, you avoid uavs and choppers but you still can't use a silencer so you're gun gives you away. Plus napalm can be ridiculously overpowered killing people in doors or miles away from the flames.

I didnt really, i said its much better than it is in a party (Which is almost useless 90% of the time). It depends what someone's mentality is when playing solo, is their K/D and KS the only thing they care about when playing solo ? if so then i'd say its better than flak jacket. If its about winning the actual game... then no, it isnt better than flak jacket, imo.

Firstly, why would you use ghost in the competitive playlist ? (Im pretty sure theres no KS ? Could be wrong) and it doesnt matter what perks you use in pure because they don't count. Im guessing you mean classic ? Which has the 3/5/7 layout.. in which case ghost would be very strong.

Pure is anything but tough, i've been playing it for a few days now and haven't lost a single game, going 40+ every time. I do recommend it tho, very little bull****, 100% level playing field.. shame i cant freaking play like that in wager matches the last few days !! Shambles atm !

Im guessing your not an agressive player, if you think flak jacket has no offensive qualities, no shame in that but your obviously wrong