Klitschko-Haye in doubt yet again, Press conferences cancelled....

messi1985 · 03-07-2011 11:42AM

just 2 small ones for ya to take the piss outta haye, the same way he took the piss last nite!!

I think I should get half of David Haye's purse.
I watched the fight in 3D, which meant I got closer to Klitschko than he did.

I thought David Haye did superb on Strictly Come Dancing last nite.

darsar · 03-07-2011 11:56AM

All the hype is great for people with a brain betting. It gives me a price on Klitch at 8/15 when it should really be 1/4.

Same way they built United in CL final and you could get over evens on Barca!! 8/13 is probably the true price they should have been but English and obviously some Irish morons (even on he dole) are buying into the hype!! Box office my ass..

yabadabado · 03-07-2011 11:57AM

Sky hype job,pure and simple.

phily2002 · 03-07-2011 12:00PM

corny wrote: »

Perhaps robbed was poor choice of words. How about very unlucky to lose. I didn't mean robbed as in it was a poor decision to stop the fight. The doctor obviously had his reason. I meant robbed in that he was ahead and from what i can remember he did a fair bit of bashing Lewis' head in. Given his good chin and a fat tiring Lewis he'd have won but for the cut.

yeah I agree he was unlucky he got cut so bad, I remember thinking at the time he might have got Lewis out of there if it had gone on for another couple of rounds. But then again I felt Lewis possibly could have stopped him as well.
Definitely should have been a rematch, last great heavyweight fight we've had...

gene_tunney · 03-07-2011 12:04PM

I was talking to about 20 or 30 Brits in Hamburg and the hilarious thing is everyone of them genuinely believed Haye would easily KO Wlad in about 4 rounds.

God bless.

Johner · 03-07-2011 12:05PM

phily2002 wrote: »

yeah I agree he was unlucky he got cut so bad, I remember thinking at the time he might have got Lewis out of there if it had gone on for another couple of rounds. But then again I felt Lewis possibly could have stopped him as well.
Definitely should have been a rematch, last great heavyweight fight we've had...

Vitali was very unlucky in that fight. Sure didn't Lewis retire straight after that and wouldn't give him a rematch? Think Vitali called him out a few times after as well but Lewis was retired. Always respected Lewis for sticking to his retirement though, too many fighters come back and tarnish their legacy.

Dohnny Jepp · 03-07-2011 12:09PM

Johner wrote: »

Vitali was very unlucky in that fight. Sure didn't Lewis retire straight after that and wouldn't give him a rematch? Think Vitali called him out a few times after as well but Lewis was retired. Always respected Lewis for sticking to his retirement though, too many fighters come back and tarnish their legacy.

I think he tarnished his legacy by retiring and not giving Vitali the rematch.

Kirby · 03-07-2011 12:10PM

yabadabado wrote: »

Sky hype job,pure and simple.

:rolleyes:

People keep saying that like sky are doing something wrong.

It's their job to hype up their product. They are no different to anybody else in business. You have a product, you try and sell it. Even if you know its not the best product ever......its all thats available at the moment. It's not soley their fault that boxing is in a bad state.

Haye picked the right brother to fight. He had a punchers chance but thats all he ever had. He needed the courage to go with that chance to win the fight. You have to be willing to go toe to toe, fight on the inside and risk getting knocked out. Lunging from far away and then flopping to the floor was never going to work. Audley Harrison got stick when he fought Haye and rightfully so but Haye's performance last night was no different at all Haye wasn't willing to risk losing the fight......so he never had a chance to win it tragically.

If people are bitter that they blew their money on stupid bets, thats your own fault. Not sky's. If you paid the ridiculous box office price, thats your fault. Not sky's.

Now.......people who paid and never got to see the fight because of Sky's ineptitude......THEY have a right to complain.

ZonarySonic · 03-07-2011 12:11PM

Haye is a Fraud and the excuse about "his broken toe" is a patethic attempt to cover up an embarassesing loss

Johner · 03-07-2011 12:12PM

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

I think he tarnished his legacy by retiring and not giving Vitali the rematch.

Fair enough, but he was past his best and lucky to beat Vitali the first time, it was a clever thing to do by retiring.

Drumpot · 03-07-2011 12:12PM

lightspeed wrote: »

its not the losing of me money or that haye lost that stings the worst.friends of mine on the dole even put €300 and and another €400 on haye to knock him out.i just had him to knock him down @7/4 cause one of the lads mentioned about a previous boxer named "corrie sanders" had put wladamir down 3 times but still got beat so after haye doing wellagainst valuev i thught he would at least go for gold and live up to the hype and knock him down. .

Are you serious ? Do your friends on the dole need guidance on how to breath and eat aswell cause putting that much of your social welfare money on a bet is plan stupid (no other way to put it).

I hope you and your friends learned from this poor judgement of error.

Remember this in future, being stupid seldom pays off, unless you have your own reality tv show!

Dohnny Jepp · 03-07-2011 12:14PM

Although the fight was a joke with Princess. . I mean Haye having a very poor showing, it was still a great night. Its been awhile since there was as good an atmosphere for boxing in the pub.

Johner · 03-07-2011 12:14PM

Wlad on Sky now being interviewed. A class act.

Dohnny Jepp · 03-07-2011 12:15PM

Also to be fair to haye, he's a very good cruiser weight, just a very poor heavy weight.

Dohnny Jepp · 03-07-2011 12:18PM

Johner wrote: »

No, they won't fight each other. And if they did Vitali would win easily.

I don't know if it's true, but I heard that their mother won't let them fight.
Which if true is amazing. Two 6 foot 7 beasts being told "NO" by their mother :P

murpho999 · 03-07-2011 12:19PM

gene_tunney wrote: »

I was talking to about 20 or 30 Brits in Hamburg and the hilarious thing is everyone of them genuinely believed Haye would easily KO Wlad in about 4 rounds.

God bless.

Doesn't surprise me. Same with every football Euro Championship and World Cup. They are convinced they are going to win it, regardless of opponent's form or their own poor standards.

I really wonder if British sports fans are the most tabloid media led in the world as they don't seem capable of proper individual analysis themselves.

I have never rated Haye as a boxer, he's beaten nobody. He was only a World Champion because of the poor state of the sport at the present time and I think it's a shame that a boxer of his poor standing, can be put in the same category as other great Heavyweight Champions.

His performance last night and interviews afterwards make me respect the man even less.
I really wonder if Heavyweight boxing will ever be attractive again and truly have worthy champions as it did in the past.

Patsy fyre · 03-07-2011 12:20PM

Fare play to him though for lighting up the heavyweight division.

Dont know when I last watched a heavyweight fight, the very fact I watched the fight is credit to David Haye and Skysports.

Still hate him though!

Drumpot · 03-07-2011 12:21PM

Johner wrote: »

People might not like Wlad's style but he is an excellent boxer, why should he have a tear up in the ring just for people to be exited? It's boxing and if people don't like his style then don't watch it.

Klitschko's get way too much stick for me, it's not there fault nobody can give them a decent fight or can get close to them recently.

Haye would have stayed away Vitali even if he won last night, Vitali would crush Haye.

I agree to a point.

I agree that I wont watch Klitschko's fights because they are boring but I disagree as I think they do deserve criticism for the way they fight.

Not because they are doing what they do best but because they dont actually bring anything good to the game.

I dont believe sport should be about "winning at all cost" particularly when people are paying to watch you fight. At that stage its about entertainment. People are switching off and boxing is losing out as a result.

Who wants to watch a champion use a jab for 36 mins, all the while using their size and reach to keep their distance so we dont, god forbid, get a remotely decent fight?

So, I dont blame the champion for his tactics, I just dont like them and will not be watching any of his fights anytime soon. Winning in style should always be encouraged and revered more then winning with negative tactics.

I dont support Haye and I didnt like his trash talk, but I think it would of been much better for boxing overall had he won, even by a fluke.

Drumpot · 03-07-2011 12:24PM

Patsy fyre wrote: »

Fare play to him though for lighting up the heavyweight division.

Dont know when I last watched a heavyweight fight, the very fact I watched the fight is credit to David Haye and Skysports.

Still hate him though!

Agreed.

How many people here have been watching the Ukrainian fights with such anticipation. Doesnt matter Haye sucked, he possibly did more for boxing in the build up to this game then either Ukrainian have done by being champs!

Patsy fyre · 03-07-2011 12:25PM

Johner wrote: »

I reckon Vitali as well, I think people forget how good he actually is. He's a much much better fighter than Wlad and has an granite chin.

No chance, if it came to it Vlad would take him easily on points.

djhaxman · 03-07-2011 12:26PM

Totally agree Drumpot. Which is why I wanted Haye to win, to at least change things temporarily, but it wasn't to be.

mikemac · 03-07-2011 12:28PM

Having a read of the British papers this morning online

I didn't see it as the stream went down.

But the papers slamming the British fans for booing the Ukrainian national anthem.

cowzerp · 03-07-2011 12:29PM

plasmaguy wrote: »

Both these fighters got where they are by fighting bums.

He's beat the best out there, cant beat past fighter who are long gone so you can only judge him as beating all the top contenders, if he was American or British everyone would think he's great as the Germans do..

Dohnny Jepp · 03-07-2011 12:29PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Winning in style should always be encouraged and revered more then winning with negative tactics.

Disagree so much. Like any game and any sport. It is ALL about winning, not how you win. (as long as you win fair)

boiledeggs · 03-07-2011 12:32PM

Its not the biggest its the only reasonable heavyweight boxing match in over ten years

Johner · 03-07-2011 12:35PM

Patsy fyre wrote: »

No chance, if it came to it Vlad would take him easily on points.

Vitali is a better boxer, unreal chin and has more power. Wlad admits himself that Vitali would beat him.

tipptom · 03-07-2011 12:38PM

Haye looked the cruiserweight he is and looked gangly and immature for the last 5 rounds,he just got found out when he had to fight a boxer the right side of 40.It was also well known that he had stopped any sparring 20 days before the fight so this either flagged suicidal tactics or an injury so any one putting money on him would be very foolish.The delay in the streaming drove me nuts until i found a german channel but i was glad i didnt get caught for €22 for this which sky was charging a paddy tax of an extra €5 for it,even with extra vat etc it could not have been this percentage more for this than england

Reekwind · 03-07-2011 12:41PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Who wants to watch a champion use a jab for 36 mins, all the while using their size and reach to keep their distance so we dont, god forbid, get a remotely decent fight?

I enjoyed it. It was an excellent demonstration of intelligent boxing. I probably would have enjoyed it even more if Haye had been able to overcome the jab and impose his own gameplan on the fight. But he wasn't

Klitschko's got a superb jab and he's as intelligent a fighter as you'll find. Why should he be faulted for his opponents' inability to cope with this? What you are effectively asking for is a fighter to drop all tactics/style and go toe-to-toe in 'the trenches'. That's not boxing, that's a brawl

Now Tyson, in his prime, would have torn Wlad to shreds, but that's because Tyson (half a foot shorter than Haye) had the skill and the sheer ability to close the distance against a bigger fighter and impose his own game. That Haye was incapable of doing that should not mean that Wlad should start boxing stupid

Drumpot · 03-07-2011 12:42PM

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

Disagree so much. Like any game and any sport. It is ALL about winning, not how you win. (as long as you win fair)

I disagree fundamentally with your point. I have played many sports and my first purpose was enjoyment and personal satisfaction.

At the level that we are talking about, the sport is about entertainment aswell as success. Put simply, if every fighter was like the Ukrainians heavyweight boxing would eventually collapse.

Most sports are defined by supremely talented people who inspire. I dont think the boxing fraternity will look back on this heavyweight era with any fondness.

If you make sport about winning, then its a job, not a pastime. At klitschkos level its a job and hes just trying to win with what talent he has, I dont have a problem with that, but its at the expense of the sport and the fans. Few will watch his next fight and even fewer will actually be excited about it.

efb · 03-07-2011 12:43PM

Tipptom, the VAT rate is the same, BSKYB pay not tax in Ireland.

Its pure rip off paddy tax.

Klitschko-Haye in doubt yet again, Press conferences cancelled....

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