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Expressions you know, that you never knew the story behind ...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭--Kaiser--


    bw wrote: »
    Some interesting theories in here, but to be honest most sound made up, or at least wildy varied versions of the true origin.

    In regards to "F..k you", I heard the same about cutting off bowmen's fingers, but it was the first 2 fingers. No-one did the middle finger until recently, and no-one ever said f..k you back in those days.

    And.... the origin for the f work was (again, supposedly) fornication under consent of the king.

    Anyway, this is buzzkill over & out.

    Explanations for words such as F U C K (Fornicating Under Consent of the King) and G O L F (Gentlemen Only, Ladies Forbidden) are also rubbish as acronyms only came into wide use in the last hundred years.

    I'd suggest people check up on Snopes before posting a dubious phrase origin


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Well, you learn something knew everyday:
    Wikipedia: In the 14th century it was discovered that, when humans suffered constipation, it was thought that blood flow in the bowel was severely restricted and was the cause of the overall effect of low blood pressure which was often associated with the condition. This, they felt at the time, explained the light-headedness that people often complained of while trying to force a bowel movement in an effort to expel the contents of their colon.

    Similarly, 'idiotic thinking' was also associated with diminished circulation, only in this case, cerebral circulation. Medical hypothesises soon began to link the two and in 1385 (when patients were presented at asylums in severe states of confusion and speaking gibberishly and nonsensically; poor bowel circulation was suspected. Patients were then given laxatives told to: "Go and have a bowel movement." This went on to be said to be people near and far as an insult whenever they were thought to be not of clear thinking and throughout time. Indeed, this is also the origins of: "You're talking out your bottom".

    Many years later in Dundalk, Ireland: Andrea Corr was attending her local library and read this is an old book and it dawned on her that this must be why Dublin peasants use similar variations of this saying . The following year she suggested to Alan Parker (the director of her first picture) that she be allowed to use this Dublin parlance when conversing with Colm Meaney (in his role as her father in the picture) who, as required by the script, was speaking to her in a suitably nonsensically fashion. Infamously he agreed and so: "Go and shiite" was uttered for the first time on the silver screen. Even today, it is still as popular as then and if you are ever to walk the winding streets of the Emerald Isle's fair city (where Oscar Wilde himself used to tread) you too may hear the words: "Go and shite" echoing throughout the slums of Dublin City, Ireland.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 910 ✭✭✭Jagera


    --Kaiser-- wrote: »
    I'd suggest people check up on Snopes before posting a dubious phrase origin
    I agree. I don't believe the origin of that word either in case you thought otherwise.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,967 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    It was the Irish who inventing boycotting!
    Well not invented but the term comes from Mayo
    Captain Charles Cunningham Boycott (March 12, 1832 – June 19, 1897) was a British land agent whose ostracism by his local community in Ireland as part of a campaign for agrarian tenants' rights in 1880 gave the English language the verb to boycott, meaning "to ostracise".

    In 1880, as part of its campaign for the "Three Fs" (fair rent, fixity of tenure and free sale), the Irish Land League under Charles Stewart Parnell and Michael Davitt withdrew the local labour required to save the harvest on Lord Erne's estate. When Boycott tried to undermine the campaign, the League launched a campaign of isolation against him in the local community. Neighbours would not talk to him. Shops would not serve him. Local labourers refused to tend his house, and the postman refused to deliver his mail.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    Sling your hook

    It's from the great ninja pirate war of 1633. The Pirates when fleeing would sling their hooks over the edge of the ninja airships and repel back to their corsairs.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 854 ✭✭✭firefly08


    The brass monkey one is bullsh1t. The expression used to refer to various parts of a monkey: ears, nose etc.

    Apparently 'OK' is an acronym for "Oll Korrect" which was just a deliberate, tongue-in-cheek misspelling used by American newspapers in the 19th century.

    "By hook or by crook" is thought to refer to Hook Head and the village of Crook.

    Can anyone shed any light on the etymology of "banjaxed" ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    "as mad as a hatter"

    I was under the impression that "mad as a hatter" derived from the character from Alices Adventures in wonderland (Lewis Carroll's novel) because of his eccentricities


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    No Room To Swing A Cat - The cat referred to is not feline as such, it was a whip used by the British Navy as a means of discipline or punishment back in the day (17th Century)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    LighterGuy wrote: »
    "Give a wide birth"

    At least 2 feet apart ? ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,433 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent




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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    Confab wrote: »

    Don't rely on wikipedia as a basis for any argument


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,721 Mod ✭✭✭✭Twee.


    orourkeda wrote: »
    I was under the impression that "mad as a hatter" derived from the character from Alices Adventures in wonderland (Lewis Carroll's novel) because of his eccentricities

    Who mad because he was a hatter and they were exposed to mercury leading to the "madness"...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    Well, you learn something knew everyday:

    If you knew it, why did you need to learn it ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭nice_very


    firefly08 wrote: »

    "By hook or by crook" is thought to refer to Hook Head and the village of Crook. ?


    what I learned, was that it was said by cromwell, on entering Waterford Harbour via the Suir, that hi intention was to take the city "By Hook (Co.Wexford) or By Crook (Co. Waterford) meaning launching an atttack from one side of the river or the other


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    Twee. wrote: »
    Who mad because he was a hatter and they were exposed to mercury leading to the "madness"...

    Alices adventures in mercuryland


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    orourkeda wrote: »
    Back to Square one - This phrase is believed to have originated from early football commentaries on BBC radio in the 1920's (or thereabouts). Certain sections on the field were given numbers. Defence 1 and 2 midfield 3 and 4 and so on It is believed that an attack that broke down and was cleared back upfield was referred to as back to square one.

    "It is believed" is a bit vague. Have you any sources who believe it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Solnskaya


    real origins of F.uck - in India during the British empire, soldiers were forbidden from consorting sexually with the "natives". If caught, they were brought up for court martial, and they were charged with the offence of "Unlawful Carnal Knowledge", so, the reason they were before the court was "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge", handily abbreviated in Military notes as "on a charge of F.U.C.K", or, because he "f.ucked her". Thats the real origin. Yup.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,385 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    --Kaiser-- wrote: »
    Explanations for words such as F U C K (Fornicating Under Consent of the King) and G O L F (Gentlemen Only, Ladies Forbidden) are also rubbish as acronyms only came into wide use in the last hundred years.

    I'd suggest people check up on Snopes before posting a dubious phrase origin

    SOS doesn't stand for 'Save Our Souls' either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭uch


    ORIGINAL PHRASE,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, feck off

    22/25



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 131 ✭✭mikedone


    Solnskaya wrote: »
    real origins of F.uck - in India during the British empire, soldiers were forbidden from consorting sexually with the "natives". If caught, they were brought up for court martial, and they were charged with the offence of "Unlawful Carnal Knowledge", so, the reason they were before the court was "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge", handily abbreviated in Military notes as "on a charge of F.U.C.K", or, because he "f.ucked her". Thats the real origin. Yup.

    According to the OED 2nd edition it appeared in 1503, in the form fukkit ; earliest appearance of current spelling is 1535 -- "Bischops ... may **** thair fill and be vnmaryit" (Sir David Lyndesay, "Ane Satyre of the Thrie Estaits")
    The etymology suggested is that it has a Norwegian or Swedish origin meaning to push or strike


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭uch


    I heard that the english saying " Smashing" came from Irish soildiers saying "is maith sinn" translation "I Like that " and when you say it, it makes sense

    22/25



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,867 ✭✭✭eternal


    Solnskaya wrote: »
    real origins of F.uck - in India during the British empire, soldiers were forbidden from consorting sexually with the "natives". If caught, they were brought up for court martial, and they were charged with the offence of "Unlawful Carnal Knowledge", so, the reason they were before the court was "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge", handily abbreviated in Military notes as "on a charge of F.U.C.K", or, because he "f.ucked her". Thats the real origin. Yup.
    Thats definately correct.I read that in various places.And please dont say oh that doesnt make it right.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    "It is believed" is a bit vague. Have you any sources who believe it?

    http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/back%20to%20square%20one.html


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