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Members of the travelling community with jobs?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Joesh82


    The problem travellers have is that they have no skills or education to give them a chance of being employable. This along with their reputation for not being trust worthy at a time where jobs are scarce means they would only be able to get ****ty jobs which they wont do.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭deisedave


    Yes actually a few, but funnily enough the ones I knew with jobs were gay and their community would'nt be really accepting of that lifestyle, so they would'nt associate much with the traveller community anymore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,416 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Joesh82 wrote: »
    The problem travellers have is that they have no skills or education to give them a chance of being employable. This along with their reputation for not being trust worthy at a time where jobs are scarce means they would only be able to get ****ty jobs which they wont do.

    The Traveller workshops (education centres) are being closed all around the country to save money. This will be a big blow to these adults who were seeking education in the hope of getting proper work. It was also an outlet and a social venue for traveller women who otherwise would rarely leave their homes or halting sites. A mistake i think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Joesh82


    The Traveller workshops (education centres) are being closed all around the country to save money. This will be a big blow to these adults who were seeking education in the hope of getting proper work. It was also an outlet and a social venue for traveller women who otherwise would rarely leave their homes or halting sites. A mistake i think.

    Definately, but hopefully what has been done so far will show them the importance of integration. Travellers are very protective about their way of life but they must realise that there are huge flaws with it. There isnt big funds for these projects anymore so a lot of the changes needed are going to have to come from travellers themselves and especially their approach to education.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭policarp


    Was'nt there an itinerant actor who played Blackie Connors in Glenroe...?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭Uncle Mclovin


    policarp wrote: »
    Was'nt there an itinerant actor who played Blackie Connors in Glenroe...?



    Yes Blackie is a traveller in real life. His brother Johnny isn't.


    He's the only traveller I've ever known to have a tax paying job besides the few who work for Pavee Point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 917 ✭✭✭Bloody Nipples


    http://www.paveepoint.ie/pdf/SocialInclusion.pdf

    Here we go :D, scroll down to page 13 for employment statistics. 73% of men and 63% of women are apparently unemployed.
    Post the Celtic Tiger economic exclusion amongst Travellers persists and contrasts
    starkly with other sectors of Irish society. The 2002 census highlighted that 73% of
    Traveller men are unemployed in comparison to a national male figure of 9%; while
    63% of Traveller women are unemployed in comparison to a national figure of 8%.
    The range of employment that Travellers are engaged in fits into the ‘first in, first out’
    category so that even for Travellers who have secured employment very few are in
    sustainable /career building type jobs.
    The only other group whose unemployment rates are comparable to the Traveller
    community are disabled people. Targets set within the National Anti-Poverty Strategy
    to reduce long-term unemployment amongst vulnerable groups down to the national
    average will not be met by 2007 for Travellers.
    Pavee Point welcomes the Special Initiative for Travellers which is being organised
    through FÁS. The focus of SIT is the Traveller economy and other employment
    initiatives for Travellers within four pilot areas (Dublin, Galway, Clare and Cork) and
    up to Є0.5m should be spent by the end of this year. However, a lack of
    understanding of cultural diversity and the impact of inequality on a community may
    hamper the potential of this development.
    There are particular issues that face Traveller women in the labour market and that
    greatly restrict their progression options. For example, the income an adult dependent
    can earn is calculated on the basis of a daily rate worked out on the basis of a 7 day
    week. So any adult who is the dependent adult in social welfare terms can only work a
    few hours a day (or else a lot less than the minimum wage hourly rate) if they do not
    wish to interfere with the family’s overall income. This has particular implications for
    women including Traveller women. It can also impact on Traveller women’s ability to
    access a greater variety of training as the allowable income does not always keep pace
    with the FÁS training allowance and FÁS is the main provider / funder of Traveller
    women’s training opportunities.

    Apologies about the state of the copy/paste, but I couldn't be arsed fixing it :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    Back in the silly times I had three traveller lads working for me. All above board, paying tax etc. Knew one of them from when we were kids, we used to play pool together every Saturday morning for a few years. When work increased to the point I needed to take another worker on he suggested his brother, who I knew from back in the day as well. Then a couple of months later another job came up and I took a cousin of theirs on. Never any problems and they let me know that if I needed anyone else they knew plenty of lads looking for work. I reckon if I had of had the work available I could have had a work force of 20 guys they knew show up for work on a Monday morning with a days notice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭rossc007


    The Traveller workshops (education centres) are being closed all around the country to save money. This will be a big blow to these adults who were seeking education in the hope of getting proper work. It was also an outlet and a social venue for traveller women who otherwise would rarely leave their homes or halting sites. A mistake i think.

    Surely they are entitled to go to national school like everyone else?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,968 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    rossc007 wrote: »
    Surely they are entitled to go to national school like everyone else?

    You want adults to go to national school? :confused:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,617 ✭✭✭Cat Melodeon


    Joesh82 wrote: »
    Definately, but hopefully what has been done so far will show them the importance of integration. Travellers are very protective about their way of life but they must realise that there are huge flaws with it. There isnt big funds for these projects anymore so a lot of the changes needed are going to have to come from travellers themselves and especially their approach to education.
    Integration should be a two-way street. There are huge flaws in many people's ways of life, what you might consider to be normal many might see as unattainable/weird/downright wrong. Who decides what is normal? Integration has to involve the majority making some concessions and accommodations as well, and welcoming those aspects of the minority group (be they Travellers or immigrants or whatever) that can enrichen society. People who claim Traveller culture has nothing to offer and that THEY must integrate into US mustn't have any real contact with Travellers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    I've worked with a few in the defence forces.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 240 ✭✭slum dog


    seems like more and more of these threads popping up to undermine the travelling community since the recession. i wonder why?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,968 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    You're here from 2010, there were just as many of these threads before the recession


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,617 ✭✭✭Cat Melodeon


    rossc007 wrote: »
    Surely they are entitled to go to national school like everyone else?
    National school is not an appropriate educational setting for adults. Travellers, particularly those who attended school before the improvements of the 1990s and 2000s, often experienced patchy education, were automatically placed in 'remedial' units regardless of need and were often segregated completely. Most left school early. Those Travellers who are nomadic often experience problems with literacy and numeracy. Older Travellers who had bad experiences in schools may not place value on education for their own kids and the cycle can go on repeat. That's why it is important to have resources like the Education Centres to provide training and assistance to those people who want to improve their lot. Telling a 45 year old woman to go back to primary school isn't very helpful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,617 ✭✭✭Cat Melodeon


    mikemac wrote: »
    You're here from 2010, there were just as many of these threads before the recession
    Yep, Traveller-bashing never goes out of fashion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    slum dog wrote: »
    seems like more and more of these threads popping up to undermine the travelling community since the recession. i wonder why?
    mikemac wrote: »
    You're here from 2010, there were just as many of these threads before the recession

    Maybe a re-reg!.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 240 ✭✭slum dog


    mikemac wrote: »
    You're here from 2010, there were just as many of these threads before the recession

    have you got statistics to back that up?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,416 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    slum dog wrote: »
    seems like more and more of these threads popping up to undermine the travelling community since the recession. i wonder why?

    I saw very few posts undermining them in fairness. The Government seem to be undermining them though by closing their education centres which i believe is a mistake.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 240 ✭✭slum dog


    i think some people are looking for scapegoats to make their lives on the dole less painful


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,968 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    slum dog wrote: »
    have you got statistics to back that up?

    With the fancy new search feature you can search between dates and for key words

    13 with travellers in the title in 2006 for this forum
    19 in 2010

    Just a general search, there are others with a different title
    And I knocked out the threads on traveling to Australia and so on

    But for an example it's not realy more and more
    seems like more and more of these threads popping up to undermine the travelling community since the recession


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭Steodonn


    A traveler family lives a few doors up from me. The father and the eldest son both work and are all nice people. The two youngest can be little fecks but no more than most annoying kids


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    I've worked with a few, they were sound enough


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    I come from a traveller background and have a very good job, in which I pay taxes at 41%.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Joesh82


    Integration should be a two-way street. There are huge flaws in many people's ways of life, what you might consider to be normal many might see as unattainable/weird/downright wrong. Who decides what is normal? Integration has to involve the majority making some concessions and accommodations as well, and welcoming those aspects of the minority group (be they Travellers or immigrants or whatever) that can enrichen society. People who claim Traveller culture has nothing to offer and that THEY must integrate into US mustn't have any real contact with Travellers.

    I can see where you are coming from but in reality it comes down to what is viable and not viable. How do they fund their way of life, how can their kids be given a good education etc . The current situation is not good enough.
    Even going by some of unemployment figures here, clearly there needs to be some level of change to ensure that the same figures or worse will not be posted on boards in 2015 or 2020.
    I work with people from all different countries and can appreciate different cultures but they have all integrated in to our community.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,224 ✭✭✭barone


    hired a traveller girl a few years back, had no probs, brought in a good few daily customers,

    was only a part time job if that has any bearing on the op's question,little tax.

    i also know a large amount of travellers, majority have no legit job but have more money than myself who is employed and paying tax for the last 18 years,since i was 18.

    i know which one of us im jealous of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,599 ✭✭✭sashafierce


    This post has been deleted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭deisedave


    Kasabian wrote: »
    I come from a traveller background and have a very good job, in which I pay taxes at 41%.

    Just goes to show, sterotypes mean nothing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭mackg


    Obviously I mean- how do you tell if someone is a traveler?

    Anyone could be a traveler, and you might never know unless it came up in conversation.

    Its easy to tell 90% of travellers, they have a very distinct accent.
    If they don't have this accent then they have probably separated themselves from the community.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    deisedave wrote: »
    Just goes to show, sterotypes mean nothing

    Wait till later, you will see "stereotypes" of all kinds come on this thread and change it dramatically.


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