The 'Drug Pusher': An Urban Myth?

starviewadams · 28-06-2011 08:51PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I worked in Ballyfermot for years then on O'Connell street. Never been offered anything at all.

Maybe I just look like an addict then!

Sunnyisland · 28-06-2011 08:51PM

I also think that paul williams and his ilk have made more money out of the drug scene than any of the so called drug lords.

Chuck Stone · 28-06-2011 08:53PM

lastlaugh wrote: »

I can look back now and realise that bloke was actually a drug pusher.
His nasty little game was to 'introduce' us to coke, and then when we realised it was great, we would buy more. Luckily I didn't.

It's kinda difficult for me to recieve that anecdote as drug pushing. I mean you were in your 20's and you'd just met the guy (I presume) and he was known to you in a roundabout way.

How do you know he wasn't just being generous?

Seachmall · 28-06-2011 08:54PM

Finnbar01 wrote: »

I say more like it you were very eager to take it.

When I was approached by a coke dealer I was standing in the smoking area of a gig alone looking a bit sad (I had a broken rib). I don't think he randomly picked me out, I think he targeted me because he figured I'd be more willing to try (and then buy) some. I didn't but he did get me to take down his number which I figure is an achievement in itself.

It's the same way those Scientologists work when standing outside their HQ in Dublin or outside any of their conferences. They target those who look down and out.

Sunnyisland · 28-06-2011 09:00PM

I dont think they target anyone, They have a product and people are going to them or if they see some one who might look interested they approach them,you want them or you dont,its always your choice.

Finnbar01 · 28-06-2011 09:00PM

Seachmall wrote: »

When I was approached by a coke dealer I was standing in the smoking area of a gig alone looking a bit sad (I had a broken rib). I don't think he randomly picked me out, I think he targeted me because he figured I'd be more willing to try (and then buy) some. I didn't but he did get me to take down his number which I figure is an achievement in itself.

It's the same way those Scientologists work when standing outside their HQ in Dublin or outside any of their conferences. They target those who look down and out.

How old were you?

At the end of the day you didn't take his filth and by taking his number down, you got rid of him. You handled the situation very well. You politely told him to fook off.

What sickens my **** is people asking me for drugs. And they don't seem to care when or who I'm with.

Also if I had his number, I would have set up a false gay dating profile* and let him deal with the ****e from that.

* Please note, nothing wrong with being gay.

Seachmall · 28-06-2011 09:04PM

Finnbar01 wrote: »

How old were you?

At the end of the day you didn't take his filth and by taking his number down, you got rid of him. You handled the situation very well. You politely told him to fook off.

I was about 18 at the time, I actually took down the number with the intent of calling him sometime. I'm not sure why I didn't take it, I regretted not trying it the morning after. It was only a couple of days later I realized he completely manipulated me and deleted his number.

Finnbar01 · 28-06-2011 09:08PM

Seachmall wrote: »

I was about 18 at the time, I actually took down the number with the intent of calling him sometime. I'm not sure why I didn't take it, I regretted not trying it the morning after. It was only a couple of days later I realized he completely manipulated me and deleted his number.

No, you won because you didn't accept his filth. To save face, he had to 'give' you something, which was the phone number. You accepted that, but by doing that, it was the polite way of telling him to fook off.

You. Won.

Plus, you never rang him back. Double win.

Sunnyisland · 28-06-2011 09:08PM

Tv3 is doing a programe now about it.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 28-06-2011 09:09PM

lastlaugh wrote: »

I think the term 'drug pusher' is misleading in the sense that it conjours images of people habging around offering random people drugs.

I remember when I was around twenty I was in friend's house having a few cans. He had an older brother, about 10 yrs older than us, and he was there with his friend.

His friend had some coke and was very eager to give us a line free. We took it and went to the pub feeling great, able to drink loads, full of confidence.

I can look back now and realise that bloke was actually a drug pusher.
His nasty little game was to 'introduce' us to coke, and then when we realised it was great, we would buy more. Luckily I didn't.

But that is how they operate, give stuff out for free and rely on people coming back to pay for more...

I would say thats the closest thing in reality

Seachmall · 28-06-2011 09:10PM

Finnbar01 wrote: »

No, you won because you didn't accept his filth. To save face, he had to 'give' you something, which was the phone number. You accepted that, but by doing that, it was the polite way of telling him to fook off.

You. Won.

Plus, you never rang him back. Double win.

Ya, but I wouldn't be surprised if he got a good few others to try it and gave them his number too. He was a good at what he did; pushing drugs.

Crazy Horse 6 · 28-06-2011 09:13PM

Been offered loads of times whilst out and about. Was offered on a train stranglely enough few years back mind you i was in South America.:D

Finnbar01 · 28-06-2011 09:19PM

Seachmall wrote: »

Ya, but I wouldn't be surprised if he got a good few others to try it and gave them his number too. He was a good at what he did; pushing drugs.

At the end of the day, he wasn't really pushing drugs per se, he was trying to manipulate and control you. Some people are prone to doing that... it empowers them and makes them feel go about themselves. That's why he wouldn't leave unless he gave you something his phone number.

You rejected that. So tough titty for him.

Please understand I'm not trying to make you feel good about yourself or patronise you but you won.

dsmythy · 28-06-2011 09:20PM

The "pushers" just let drug riddled kids introduce it to other kids instead.

SuperInfinity · 28-06-2011 09:23PM

realies wrote: »

I also think that paul williams and his ilk have made more money out of the drug scene than any of the so called drug lords.

Ah come on now, this is just flippin nonsense. "so called drug lords"? Are you mad? Individuals out there earn many millions from drugs, this is a known fact.

"so called druglords"? Are you now saying that you don't believe in drug lords? I think you are taking the idea of "the naive masses" a little too far. Say Paul Williams is lame all you want, but denying that people earn millions from drugs is both wrong and senseless. It's not all made up.

Seachmall · 28-06-2011 09:25PM

Finnbar01 wrote: »

he wasn't really pushing drugs per se, he was trying to manipulate and control you.

But that's how they operate (or at least in my brief experience). I'd imagine the phrase "Drug Pusher" was created to make them appear aggressive and dangerous, the type you'd want to avoid, but in reality they'll use anything at their disposal to make you a customer. Manipulation I'd expect is the most likely method to make you a repeat customer, that's how the entire advertising industry works.

Chuck Stone · 28-06-2011 09:25PM

bluewolf wrote: »

anyone got a link to alison's article on this :D

Who's Alison? Inside joke?

chicken fingers · 28-06-2011 09:29PM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Who's Alison? Inside joke?

Shes this bird who bought drugs "worth" 525k with a view to waiting until the price rose and then selling it on to somebody else.
But then her bosses gave her a paycut as she is godawful at her job, and she couldn't afford to pay the repayments to the drug pushers for the drugs she bought.

Chuck Stone · 28-06-2011 09:30PM

SuperInfinity wrote: »

It's not all made up.

It's not all made up but if P.W. supports prohibition then he has to accept some responsibility for it's (often vicious) side-effects.

In a wierd way he'd have a lot less stuff to write about if drugs were legalized.

Chuck Stone · 28-06-2011 09:31PM

chicken fingers wrote: »

Shes this bird who bought drugs "worth" 525k with a view to waiting until the price rose and then selling it on to somebody else.

That would be called 'futures' in the financial world wouldn't it?

Sunnyisland · 28-06-2011 09:36PM

Super Infinity wrote: »

Ah come on now, this is just flippin nonsense. "so called drug lords"? Are you mad? Individuals out there earn many millions from drugs, this is a known fact.

"so called drug lords"? Are you now saying that you don't believe in drug lords? I think you are taking the idea of "the naive masses" a little too far. Say Paul Williams is lame all you want, but denying that people earn millions from drugs is both wrong and senseless. It's not all made up.

I am saying that paul williams with his over hype reporting has made him millions.

Yes of course there are drug lords who make millions, as i have said earlier i see it everyday,They have lots of material wealth that they flaunt around the area,maybe I posted that wrong sorry about that.:)

Sunnyisland · 28-06-2011 09:39PM

dsmythy wrote: »

The "pushers" just let drug riddled kids introduce it to other kids instead.

Thats not quite right,

A lot of people like smoking weed and cannabis and will go out of there way to purchase it, unless your talking about heroin & crack which can be a different game altogether.

RussellTuring · 28-06-2011 09:40PM

Seachmall wrote: »

I was about 18 at the time, I actually took down the number with the intent of calling him sometime. I'm not sure why I didn't take it, I regretted not trying it the morning after. It was only a couple of days later I realized he completely manipulated me and deleted his number.

To be honest, it sounds like you had second thoughts about whether or not you wanted to take it and eventually decided you didn't. Why is it so hard to accept the fact that you were curious but in the end didn't want it? I can tell you as someone who knows a few drug dealers, none of them want to waste their time talking to people and building up a client base: they want to get rid of the drugs and get money.

Seachmall · 28-06-2011 09:47PM

RussellTuring wrote: »

To be honest, it sounds like you had second thoughts about whether or not you wanted to take it and eventually decided you didn't. Why is it so hard to accept the fact that you were curious but in the end didn't want it?

Oh yeah, I had second thoughts and ultimately didn't take any or give him a call but if he approached 20 people that night and 5 take it then that's a job well done.

I'd say you are right in that you can't convince someone who is set against doing drugs to take drugs but you can pick out the more vulnerable or curious ones and make them customers. That's what pushers do, they manipulate those that can be manipulated (the same as cults and such groups).

R P McMurphy · 28-06-2011 09:48PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x_TE4KTre8

flutterflye · 28-06-2011 09:50PM

Never come across a drug pusher in my life.

Any drugs I've taken came from people I knew, who I either asked, or who offered in a 'would you like tea' sort of way.

tayto lover · 28-06-2011 09:54PM

realies wrote: »

Thats not quite right,

A lot of people like smoking weed and cannabis and will go out of there way to purchase it, unless your talking about heroin & crack which can be a different game altogether.

Larry Dunne was testament to that by giving heroin to his own children and getting them addicted so that they would sell for him. Lovely man.

Joe10000 · 28-06-2011 09:58PM

I have never met a pusher as far as I know but I suppose a dealer you didnt know offering you some gear could be classed a pusher.

RussellTuring · 28-06-2011 10:09PM

Seachmall wrote: »

Oh yeah, I had second thoughts and ultimately didn't take any or give him a call but if he approached 20 people that night and 5 take it then that's a job well done.

I'd say you are right in that you can't convince someone who is set against doing drugs to take drugs but you can pick out the more vulnerable or curious ones and make them customers. That's what pushers do, they manipulate those that can be manipulated (the same as cults and such groups).

I suppose it comes down to how much you expect people to be responsible for their own actions. In this case, I would say that if they do just happen to find someone who is buying the drugs for their first time(which is not very likely, in my opinion), then it is just that they are fulfilling a desire of the buyer whereas others would say it is the dealer's fault for offering it.

SuperInfinity · 28-06-2011 10:14PM

RussellTuring wrote: »

I suppose it comes down to how much you expect people to be responsible for their own actions. In this case, I would say that if they do just happen to find someone who is buying the drugs for their first time(which is not very likely, in my opinion), then it is just that they are fulfilling a desire of the buyer whereas others would say it is the dealer's fault for offering it.

But you can take this "personal responsibility" thing too far. If you put too much cake around the place too much of the time and people keep telling you how delicious it is you're going to end up eating it. If that weren't the case, advertisers wouldn't spend millions per year on advertising slots. I'm not contradicting your post here, just trying to make a point.

The 'Drug Pusher': An Urban Myth?

Comments