Monitors for around €300 - Yamaha HS50m's or KRK RP5 Rokit G2

PaulBrewer · 14-06-2011 07:26PM

Fairish Question , but if I might respectfully suggest a schoolboy error too !

Frequency response alone is only one element of how one measures speakers.
It's easy to 'understand' ( flat is good, right ?)?which is why it's pushed by manufacturers.

Interestingly ports can be used to extend the frequency response ( making it better in a way Joe Bloggs 'understands' right ?) but destroying transient response (making it shyt, but hey Joe is busy looking at Frequency graphs, right?)

Last year I had some correspondence with Newell who explained that he'd gotten on to a well known speaker manufacturer to pull them up on this very point , the transient response was beyond rotten and was freely told it was to extend the frequency range down to 'class winning' levels ( flat is good, right ?)

Buyer Beware !

woodsdenis wrote: »

OK Certainly not going to debate the merits or otherwise of NS10 s for mixing. Many fantastic sounding records were mixed on them, I would choose today not to use them. Lets not pretend they are the most accurate monitors in the world, they aren't. Their plus I suppose was the ability for mixes to translate well onto different systems

So

The big question is for the experts ( not me for sure) is looking at the first graphs the flattest response seems to be from a Mackie. Not a speaker I would choose either. Really hyped sounding. So what does this all mean or am I misinterpreting the first set of graphs.

So

In the grand scheme of things which active monitors represent the best alternative

flyswatter · 14-06-2011 07:28PM

I have my new HS50m's set up now using two guitar leads to my interface.

Sounding really good. Will report back when I record some new stuff in Reaper.

I considered KRK's before these but from the reviews I believe these are superior for mixing.

madtheory · 14-06-2011 07:29PM

I've used the Mackie's (in a superbly well designed room admittedly) and they're very revealing. Kind of similar to the NS10 experience, in that a lot of mixes sound rubbish, but that's because they are rubbish mixes! I'd be quite happy with a pair.

I'm very interested in the Digidesign RM1/ RM2. Digidesign did the digital crossover, and PMC did the rest, with their transmission line thing, which is kind of a port only better. Interesting because they're not big money, and the best thing I have heard was PMC LB1S. So I'd like some PMC magic.

There's also the Neumanns, rebranded Klein and Hummel. They always made good boxes. Digital crossovers too.

When you read that Sound On Sound article, and the Newell paper, you see that the guy that designed the NS10 really knew what he was doing. Transient response is where it's at, frequency response is over rated!! I'd love to hear the 3 way model, the NS1000. The NS10 was the budget version of those!

woodsdenis · 14-06-2011 07:38PM

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Fairish Question , but if I might respectfully suggest a schoolboy error too !

Correct away sir:D I really aren't technically minded in this or any area so no offense taken. Like MT the only BIG monitors that I have really liked for accuracy are PMC but thats not what we are talking about here.

When I get my studio redone I will try out the small Focals and report back.

PaulBrewer · 14-06-2011 07:43PM

woodsdenis wrote: »

Correct away sir:D I really aren't technically minded in this or any area so no offense taken. Like MT the only BIG monitors that I have really liked for accuracy are PMC but thats not what we are talking about here.

When I get my studio redone I will try out the small Focals and report back.

That's cool too....

As I've said before the Focals are head and shoulders above the competition in that price range.

PaulBrewer · 14-06-2011 07:47PM

I think I'll get a t-shirt with " Transient Response is where it's at " on it!

madtheory wrote: »

I've used the Mackie's (in a superbly well designed room admittedly) and they're very revealing. Kind of similar to the NS10 experience, in that a lot of mixes sound rubbish, but that's because they are rubbish mixes! I'd be quite happy with a pair.

I'm very interested in the Digidesign RM1/ RM2. Digidesign did the digital crossover, and PMC did the rest, with their transmission line thing, which is kind of a port only better. Interesting because they're not big money, and the best thing I have heard was PMC LB1S. So I'd like some PMC magic.

There's also the Neumanns, rebranded Klein and Hummel. They always made good boxes. Digital crossovers too.

When you read that Sound On Sound article, and the Newell paper, you see that the guy that designed the NS10 really knew what he was doing. Transient response is where it's at, frequency response is over rated!! I'd love to hear the 3 way model, the NS1000. The NS10 was the budget version of those!

spiderjazz · 14-06-2011 09:52PM

Sweet lord, what did I kick off here

PaulBrewer - You don't seem to be a fan of the HS50M's, is there any set of monitors you recommend at the same price range?

I haven't really seen any recommendations on the thread for better monitors at this price range, so chances are I'll be ordering them soon.

madtheory · 14-06-2011 10:53PM

PaulBrewer wrote: »

I think I'll get a t-shirt with " Transient Response is where it's at " on it!

Maybe it should be "transient response is when it's at"?

PaulBrewer · 15-06-2011 08:26AM

spiderjazz wrote: »

Sweet lord, what did I kick off here

PaulBrewer - You don't seem to be a fan of the HS50M's, is there any set of monitors you recommend at the same price range?

I haven't really seen any recommendations on the thread for better monitors at this price range, so chances are I'll be ordering them soon.

I'd love to take your money Spider - but hand on heart I can't recommend any in that price range.

spiderjazz · 15-06-2011 05:20PM

Can't get more honest than that. Thanks Paul

spiderjazz · 25-06-2011 02:13PM

Got the HS50m's yesterday, as I said I haven't had much experience with monitors, but very happy with these so far. Looking forward to mixing on them in the coming weeks!

PaulBrewer · 25-06-2011 05:45PM

Gawd Bless You, my son ....

drumdrum · 27-06-2011 02:09AM

PaulBrewer wrote: »

I'd love to take your money Spider - but hand on heart I can't recommend any in that price range.

Hey Paul,

What are your thoughts on the HS80s? OR do you just not like the HS series in general?

I was thinking of a pair of Adam A7Xs or HS80s.....any thoughts on these? Or how they fare against the HS80s?

What DO you recommend?

PaulBrewer · 27-06-2011 08:43AM

drumdrum wrote: »

PaulBrewer wrote: »

I'd love to take your money Spider - but hand on heart I can't recommend any in that price range.

Hey Paul,

What are your thoughts on the HS80s? OR do you just not like the HS series in general?

I was thinking of a pair of Adam A7Xs or HS80s.....any thoughts on these? Or how they fare against the HS80s?

What DO you recommend?

I think the Adams are proper monitors that- like the Focals , perform better than their price would suggest.

We took a pair down to Middlewalk for a listen (while we were doing keyboards with J90) and were surprised how well they performed.

Monitors for around €300 - Yamaha HS50m's or KRK RP5 Rokit G2

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