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Iceland is now out of debt

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  • Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    For the mobile users -
    ICELAND RETURNED to international debt markets for the first time since its banking meltdown more than two years ago as investors offered to buy twice the amount the government offered in dollar-denominated bonds.

    “This transaction is an important milestone for Iceland,” finance minister Steingrimur J Sigfusson said in a statement on the government’s website yesterday. “Iceland has set a benchmark in the market which should over time facilitate capital market access for other Icelandic issuers.”

    Iceland, which averted a sovereign default by refusing to bail out bondholders when its banks failed in October 2008, will enjoy economic growth of 2.2 per cent this year and 2.9 per cent in 2012 as its budget deficit narrows to 1.4 per cent of gross domestic product, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development.

    The island’s approach to resurrecting itself from financial ruin has won the praise of Nobel laureate Paul Krugman, who says Iceland is now better off than euro member Ireland.

    “Iceland doesn’t have a lot of private debt anymore and has done a lot on the fiscal side,” said Lars Christensen, chief analyst at Danske Bank in Copenhagen, in a phone interview yesterday. “The Icelandic fundamentals on the debt side now are actually quite strong. That’s a fact.”

    The $1 billion bond sale was twice oversubscribed, according to the ministry. The debt is due in 2016 and carries a fixed rate 4.993 per cent semi-annual yield. The sale followed a six-day roadshow in Europe and the US.

    Barclays Capital, Citigroup and UBS managed the sale.

    “The issue comes at a time where global market sentiment is not particularly good due to the European debt crisis,” said Mr Christensen, who in early 2006 predicted Iceland would suffer a recession.

    “If you look at the pricing of Iceland’s bonds and compare it to other European countries with similar debt levels as Iceland, to me the yield on the bonds looks pretty attractive.”

    Iceland has about €454 million in eurobonds due this year and next, the central bank said last month. That compares with foreign reserves of 759 billion krona (€4.61 billion) in April.

    Credit default swaps on Iceland’s debt eased more than 20 per cent since the end of April through June 7th, as investors bet the island faces a lower risk of default than euro members Spain, Portugal, Greece and Ireland. – (Bloomberg)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭7sr2z3fely84g5


    We have turned a corner..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    Fair play to them, Im sure they are laughing at this country, Right too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    Just came across this and can't seem to find anything else about it in the media strangely enough

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2011/0611/1224298736664.html

    The court case involving the UK and Netherlands over the €3 or €4bn they owe them but decided not to pay has yet to be sorted out. This is the calm before the storm... The government made a promise that it refused to keep, it has yet to pay for that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,646 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Well at least Ireland is on the right track...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,452 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    charlemont wrote: »
    Fair play to them, Im sure they are laughing at this country, Right too.
    I am sure the people who lost their savings in their banks arent laughing .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,746 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    Yeah, well at least we're not stuck on a damp, windy rock in the North Atlantic!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    But sure Inda said yesterday we're doing great. :rolleyes:

    Pity him and Gilmore (once an attendee at World Commie Youth gathering in Havana) didn't have the bottle to bring it up with the Americans recently about why the Irish taxpayer is footing a bill of €20billion that's not ours.

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/gene-kerrigan/gene-kerrigan-were-shamed-by-conspiracy-of-silence-2800010.html

    ****ing cowards. :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭sheesh


    Yeah, well at least we're not stuck on a damp, windy rock in the North Atlantic!

    correction: frozen windy rock in the north atlantic, covered in volcanos.

    shows the advantages of having your own currency I suppose.

    this is what David McWilliams said what the Irish should do just let the banks fail and let the bond holders go to hell. once the fundmentals of the economy were good you will have no problem getting people to loan you money.

    What the Government have been saying is that if we default it would cost us more in the long run it was sort of implied that people lend money to countries would hold it against us. this has now shown to be wrong.

    feck it!:mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭iPlop


    Icelands finance minister was on prime time recently and said that there's little or no chance of them joining the euro now.He said the reason they've turned the corner is because they didn't join the euro, if they did, they would've had to seek a bail out from the EU/IMF.

    There were also a lot of other things he said but the meat and potatoes of it were "because we didn't join the euro"


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  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We have turned a corner..
    Yes we did, but Iceland turned off in the other direction. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭bonerm


    We have turned a corner..

    Brian Clowan should put that on his tombstone.
           Brian Clowan
            1960-2015
    We have turned a corner
    


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    Go team Iceland


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,433 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    Yeah, well at least we're not stuck on a damp, windy rock in the North Atlantic!

    Wait a second...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    Did they do what we are doing or the complete opposite?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Yeah, well at least we're not stuck on a damp, windy rock in the North Atlantic!

    (yes we are!)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭bonerm


    RichieC wrote: »
    Did they do what we are doing or the complete opposite?

    Well they're out of debt now so, given our government(s), I'm guessing 'the opposite'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Iceland have some real economical geniuses.

    who would have thought the way to get out of debt is to not take on more debt called a 'bailout'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    Um OP I've a feeling you don't understand what "out of debt" means.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,751 ✭✭✭Saila


    RichieC wrote: »
    Did they do what we are doing or the complete opposite?

    well they actually own their own country so the questions a non starter really


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,432 ✭✭✭df1985


    what happened to peoples money in their banks though??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Yeah, well at least we're not stuck on a damp, windy rock in the North Atlantic!

    The irony is strong with this one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭sollar


    charlemont wrote: »
    Fair play to them, Im sure they are laughing at this country, Right too.

    And some in this country were smugly joking about them in 08.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭cloudydsound


    something something kerry katona something


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,958 ✭✭✭Mr. Rager


    Anyone else think for a second that this thread read, "Ireland is now out of debt" :eek:


  • Posts: 4,333 ✭✭✭ Felipe Strong Map


    Iceland did not use the Euro so they can print money, Ireland cannot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,746 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    The irony is strong with this one.
    Thanks Captain Obvious!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭Kev_ps3


    Well we elected dumb traitorous politicians to destroy this country, we have no one to blame but ourselves. Enjoy your own mess.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    But sure Inda said yesterday we're doing great. :rolleyes:

    Pity him and Gilmore (once an attendee at World Commie Youth gathering in Havana) didn't have the bottle to bring it up with the Americans recently about why the Irish taxpayer is footing a bill of €20billion that's not ours.

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/gene-kerrigan/gene-kerrigan-were-shamed-by-conspiracy-of-silence-2800010.html

    ****ing cowards. :mad:

    Kinda sums it up.

    ****ing cowards is right.

    That piece deserves it's own thread.

    They've turned us into debts slaves for debts that aren't ours. Capitalism ny bollocks.




    .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,565 ✭✭✭losthorizon


    Yeah, well at least we're not stuck on a damp, windy rock in the North Atlantic!


    Er yes, yes we are!


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