Should Gay People Be Allowed To Adopt?

Gary4279 · 24-06-2011 10:11AM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

What ?????

If you said this about all adopted children, you might have a point, but the above is absolute rubbish.

I was comparing on average, people adopted by same sex couple and those born naturally to hetrosexual couple, because when obviously when a hetrosexual couple has a child there will be a chance that they didn't want/plan for a child.

Where as an adopted child will be planned/wanted. I didn't include same sex couple adopting as i'd already mentioned that in an earlier post if you read back.

Biggins · 24-06-2011 10:13AM

sesna wrote: »

Emotive outbursts bring nothing to the debate. Try to calm yourself Biggins.

I will when you end your schite.

dr.bollocko · 24-06-2011 10:16AM

sesna wrote: »

What was that??! Creates his own strawman and then knocks it down. It's clear from that post that Biggins thinks that any opponents to gay child adoption are homophobic and prejudiced. Pointless arguing with someone with such a narrow-minded entrenched position.

*Unsubscribes from another nonsense thread*

Biggins wrote: »

Like the Norris thread where you repeatedly ONLY post that you want to twist - once again we see you doing the same pure low-level trolling stupid schite here.
(How many bans/warning have you gotten again in that other thread alone?)

I in my previous post state about bigotry AND people being uneducated/unknowledgeable in this matter - but hey, you once again edit my post only to make others look one way in your yet again- low level trolling fcuking schite.

Your posts NEVER being anything to debates.
Only edited twisted schite and more mental garbage so you can troll more.
Why your ass is not banned permanently is beyond me.

sesna wrote: »

Emotive outbursts bring nothing to the debate. Try to calm yourself Biggins.

Biggins wrote: »

I will when you end your schite.

Both banned.
Any more personal stuff will result in yet more bans.
Please report any posts which cross the line.

Gary4279 · 24-06-2011 10:17AM

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Both banned.
Any more personal stuff will result in yet more bans.
Please report any posts which cross the line.

You can't ban 'Biggins'. He's Biggins.

Bloody Nipples · 24-06-2011 10:18AM

Gary4279 wrote: »

I have no doubt in the reliability of this info. Children of same-sex couple are going to receive a higher quality of care from their parents because they will be 'wanted'.

However, i'd imagine this study took place in America or somewhere a bit more forward thinking than Ireland. Another few years and we'll be level.

It's got nothing to do with being "wanted". Children of lesbian couples are the highest achievers when compared to the children of gay men and heterosexuals.

That's a statistic. http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1994480,00.html

On that basis and as you're not homophobic, how can you then say gay people shouldn't be allowed to adopt?
People go on about maternal and paternal influences but a lot of this is based on the fact that the children of single parents do relatively poorly and is caused by under-parenting because the one parent isn't as available as two (not knocking single parents in any way, just mentioning a statistical trend).

Annasopra · 24-06-2011 10:18AM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

I'm suspicious of this. Are you telling me that a single man can adobt a baby? Can you show me a case where this has happened?

I'm not sure what you are suspicious about. It happens. Get over it.

I_am_LOST · 24-06-2011 10:19AM

I think the bullying arguement is stupid. As previously stated, kids get bullied for being ginger, fat, tall, short, skinny etc.

My ONLY problem with gay adoption is that it doesn't give the balance of a maternal figure and a fatherly figure. I don't doubt that there are gay couples out there who will love a child unconditionally and be great parents. I am FOR gay adoption but ONLY if preference is given to a mother and father (*awaits homophobic accusations* :rolleyes: ) first.

We have to be selfless when it comes to adoption - this is not about what gay couples or straight couples or whoever WANTS, it's about what is best for the child. And in my opionion (just my opinion), if there were three cases of people who wanted to adopt a particular child (gay couple, straight couple, single female) and they were all shown to be loving individuals, backround checks were all fine, then:

In my opinion, the straight couple should get preference. Next preference should go to the gay couple. And then after that the single parent.

Gary4279 · 24-06-2011 10:21AM

Bloody Nipples wrote: »

It's got nothing to do with being "wanted". Children of lesbian couples are the highest achievers when compared to the children of gay men and heterosexuals.

That's a statistic. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100831091240.htm

On that basis and as you're not homophobic, how can you then say gay people shouldn't be allowed to adopt?
People go on about maternal and paternal influences but a lot of this is based on the fact that the children of single parents do relatively poorly and is caused by under-parenting because the one parent isn't as available as two (not knocking single parents in any way, just mentioning a statistical trend).

No No No, what i'm saying is that I don't think Irish society is ready for this yet. American society is perfectly able to accept this because they are more forward thinking. I have no doubt that a same sex couple would do a good job raising a child, and I have mentioned that above, so your argument does not challenge mine. My argument is sociological, no psychological.

Annasopra · 24-06-2011 10:22AM

Gary4279 wrote: »

No, Irish society has always been slow to accepting new ideas, we all know the reasons. FFS, homosexuality was illegal here until 1993.

What i'm saying is that we need to slowly move towards this idea until everyone agrees with it, and the children arn't harmed.

You will never have a situation where everyone agrees with it. You are basically saying that some Irish people are homophobic and on that basis we should just accept this and decide adoption policy on it.

TheReverend · 24-06-2011 10:23AM

I hear the "the children will be bullied" argument come up a lot, this is the fault of people like those who say that, they will tell their children that the kids parents are not normal giving them more ammunition to bully others.

By the same argument we shouldn't allow any one but white Roman Catholics to adopt in this country.

As long as the parents can provide a good home let them adopt

Annasopra · 24-06-2011 10:24AM

Gary4279 wrote: »

No No No, what i'm saying is that I don't think Irish society is ready for this yet. American society is perfectly able to accept this because they are more forward thinking. I have no doubt that a same sex couple would do a good job raising a child, and I have mentioned that above, so your argument does not challenge mine. My argument is sociological, no psychological.

What sociological theories are you using then?

Gary4279 · 24-06-2011 10:24AM

Johnnymcg wrote: »

You will never have a situation where everyone agrees with it. You are basically saying that some Irish people are homophobic and on that basis we should just accept this and decide adoption policy on it.

No, I'm saying it needs to wait a few more years. These thing take time, eventually attitudes will change. Look at america, 20 years ago gay adoption would have been an alien concept. Now it perfectly fine.

abouttobebanned · 24-06-2011 10:25AM

Johnnymcg wrote: »

I'm not sure what you are suspicious about. It happens. Get over it.

This kind of smugness/smartness has more call to be banned than what biggins said tbh.

Bloody Nipples · 24-06-2011 10:25AM

Gary4279 wrote: »

No No No, what i'm saying is that I don't think Irish society is ready for this yet. American society is perfectly able to accept this because they are more forward thinking. I have no doubt that a same sex couple would do a good job raising a child, and I have mentioned that above, so your argument does not challenge mine. My argument is sociological, no psychological.

Have you seen the South? The Bible Belt? It's not all San Francisco.

abouttobebanned · 24-06-2011 10:26AM

The gay mod has entered the debate, hence all other opinions from now on are homophopic and redundant.

Thread dead.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 24-06-2011 10:27AM

Gary4279 wrote: »

I have no doubt in the reliability of this info. Children of same-sex couple are going to receive a higher quality of care from their parents because they will be 'wanted'.

However, i'd imagine this study took place in America or somewhere a bit more forward thinking than Ireland. Another few years and we'll be level.

Yes the studies were on american children, I don't agree with your reasoning about being cared for though. It just seems to me hetero parents aren't going to be inherently better at raising children. The lesbian's having more "successful" children is interesting but I would say its more correlation than causation. Perhaps the type of couple who are able to bring up a child in an openly same sex relationships tend to be types of people who aer socially advantaged in some way.

Gary4279 · 24-06-2011 10:28AM

Johnnymcg wrote: »

What sociological theories are you using then?

One of Anthony Giddens, I'm not going to go into detail but more or less state that society which have been under the influence of religion and have a high dependency ration are often very slow when it comes to accepting new ideas. Not specifically gay adoption but everything.

Ireland and america are two very contrasting societies (City wise) although they may appear similar.

Bloody Nipples · 24-06-2011 10:28AM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

The gay mod has entered the debate, hence all other opinions from now on are homophopic and redundant.

Thread dead.

I think a thread really dies when people start posting this kind of idiotic crap tbh.

Gary4279 · 24-06-2011 10:30AM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

The gay mod has entered the debate, hence all other opinions from now on are homophopic and redundant.

Thread dead.

Perfect user name. You should also consider 'stupid ****'

Bloody Nipples · 24-06-2011 10:32AM

And on the topic of "forward thinking America":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)

Annasopra · 24-06-2011 10:32AM

Gary4279 wrote: »

No, I'm saying it needs to wait a few more years. These thing take time, eventually attitudes will change. Look at america, 20 years ago gay adoption would have been an alien concept. Now it perfectly fine.

So actually you agree with it then

abouttobebanned · 24-06-2011 10:33AM

By Gay Mod, I mean mod of the gay forum.

He came in throwing opinions and accusations all over the place. Predictable really.

Very hard to have a proper debate on a hot topic like this, especially in After Hours.

TheZohanS · 24-06-2011 10:33AM

Beruthiel wrote: »

If that child is bullied by it's peers, it is because of the ignorance and intolerance they have been taught by their "fantastic, perfect" heterosexual parents....
Oh the ironing....

That's a great point.

With two mams the ironing load is cut in half.

tayto lover · 24-06-2011 10:35AM

I would say that any couple, either gay or straight, who apply to adopt would have thought over the whole issue prior to applying. Also the Adoption Agency or H.S.E. would have checked out the suitability of any couple applying to adopt. A gay couple would make a great job of looking after a child i would say but if i'm honest i think a man and woman would do a better job as a woman's instinct and motherly nature would be an advantage.

Annasopra · 24-06-2011 10:36AM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

By Gay Mod, I mean mod of the gay forum.

He came in throwing opinions and accusations all over the place. Predictable really.

Very hard to have a proper debate on a hot topic like this, especially in After Hours.

What is the world coming to? when I was growing up gay people couldn't have opinions. Now they're throwing them around the place.

El Weirdo · 24-06-2011 10:37AM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Very hard to have a proper debate on a hot topic like this, especially in After Hours.

Is it? Just because it's AH?

Gary4279 · 24-06-2011 10:37AM

Johnnymcg wrote: »

So actually you agree with it then

Yes, who wouldn't? Other than homophobic morons.

What i'm saying is our society isn't ready for it yet and I don't think it would be fair on say a ten year old boy to be the subject of harassment because his mothers 'are a duuuuurty pair of lezzzzers' if you get me?

philologos · 24-06-2011 10:39AM

Personally, I think in as far as it is practicable children should be brought up with their biological parents. In the event that this is unable to be fulfilled children should be brought up with an adoptive mother and father.

Mothers and fathers have different influences on kids and it is positive for a child to have a male and a female parent when considering gender roles. So yeah, I'm of the mind that the traditional family is best.

If the law were changed to allow same-sex couples to adopt the law should prefer married couples who are able to provide both a male and female parent over single adoptive parents or same-sex adoptive parents.

Bloody Nipples · 24-06-2011 10:39AM

Gary4279 wrote: »

Yes, who wouldn't? Other than homophobic morons.

What i'm saying is our society isn't ready for it yet and I don't think it would be fair on say a ten year old boy to be the subject of harassment because his mothers 'are a duuuuurty pair of lezzzzers' if you get me?

But how do you normalise it with out first allowing it?

CreepingDeath · 24-06-2011 10:40AM

Look what happens when gays "adopt" Pets... they dress them up in gay pet outfits and turn Poodles into fashion accessories.

Should Gay People Be Allowed To Adopt?

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