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Bus Engine ordered to be turned off during Journey.

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  • #62
    markpb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,432 ✭✭✭markpb


    lil5 wrote: »
    I'm sorry, but I still don't see why the passenger shouldn't be allowed to leave an empty buggy in the wheelchair bay if there is space. She abides buy the rules of carriage.

    a) she didn't abide by the conditions of carriage

    b) she's needlessly (and selfishly) blocking the bay so a wheelchair user can't board the bus.


  • #63
    parsi
    Site Banned Posts: 5,904 ✭✭✭parsi


    It seems strange that DB have deployed an Inspector to work on this particular problem. As mentioned above this person must have some sort of prior history with the organisation as it would seem to me that generally Inspectors are loath to leave the luxury of their staff cars and support their staff.


  • #64
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    lil5 wrote: »
    I'm sorry, but I still don't see why the passenger shouldn't be allowed to leave an empty buggy in the wheelchair bay if there is space. She abides buy the rules of carriage.


    I still think that the driver and the inspector are in the wrong and shouldn't be allowed to hold up the bus journey for everyone else.

    The reason she's not allowed just leave the empty buggy in the space is, the bus has to jam on the brakes and the buggy topples over and hits someone standing up, or god forbid the person sitting the the seat behind the stairs, or the bus turns a sharp corner and the buggy topples again... OR and here's the clincher, buggy topples over and gets damaged, you could be damn well sure she'd try to claim for damages for it!


  • #65
    meanmachine3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 551 ✭✭✭meanmachine3


    lil5 wrote: »
    I'm sorry, but I still don't see why the passenger shouldn't be allowed to leave an empty buggy in the wheelchair bay if there is space. She abides buy the rules of carriage.
    .
    well lil it would appear that you dont have any young children. ok i'll put to you this way, i'm dealing with this woman and i cave in, she can leave her buggy there after doing a song and dance and getting people you like to turn against the nasty rude bus driver. next stop your waiting to get on my bus with your month old baby in a buggy. my words to you would be " sorry lil only have room for one open buggy you'll have to wait 30 mins in the lashing rain for the next bus as this woman refuses to fold her buggy". it's all grand and dandy kicking up a stick in defense of buggy lady until it directly involves you. then i'm sure you'd be one of the first to kick up a stink about being left in the lashings of rain.
    lil5 wrote: »
    I still think that the driver and the inspector are in the wrong and shouldn't be allowed to hold up the bus journey for everyone else.
    i wonder where you got that idea from :rolleyes:. as far as everyone else can see buggy lady held up the bus, not the driver or inspector.all it takes is two minutes to fold and store a buggy. isn't it amazing that she happened to be there the following morning getting the same bus, ohhh but wait this time there was a inspector waiting.. coincidence or what?. as the saying goes once bitten twice shy.


  • #66
    dowlingm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,349 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    Typical CIE do the right thing the wrong way. A second bus load of passengers were held up 27 minutes because this person was allowed to board and place her buggy rather than being refused boarding unless she committed to respecting the bylaw.
    Each passenger shall comply with any lawful direction given him by an authorised person, including a request to leave or not to board the vehicle.

    Another week of this and a wheelchair passenger will get on and marvel not just at the empty space for his/her wheelchair but rows and rows of empty standard seats.

    thanks for the update ssaye by the way


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  • #67
    meanmachine3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 551 ✭✭✭meanmachine3


    lil5 wrote: »
    It doesn't say anywhere that the buggy has to be occupied to be placed in the wheelchair bay, or that an unoccupied buggy has to be folded and put away in the luggage area.

    If the customer wants to place the buggy in the wheelchair bay and take her child out for the duration of the journey she should be allowed to do so.
    this is for all you that have took buggy lady's side. it's there for every boarding passenger to see. what more do u want.


  • #68
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,108 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    I also looked at one of those notices the other day, that's not what they all say. They may be getting somewhat better, but sadly our state transport companies don't do uniformity in generally or signs very well.

    And, to be clear: I do not agree with leaving prams unattended.


  • #69
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    I'm afraid I'm going to be an ignorant mother today :rolleyes:... I have to take the two kids to the city centre with me today and the only way to do that is the double buggy, there's just no possible way to fold it while holding a one year old toddler who doesn't walk so if someone else needs the space I won't be able to move. Thankfully I won't be travelling in rush hour traffic and my route is quiet enough during the day...


  • #70
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    January : I'm afraid I'm going to be an ignorant mother today ... I have to take the two kids to the city centre with me today and the only way to do that is the double buggy, there's just no possible way to fold it while holding a one year old toddler who doesn't walk so if someone else needs the space I won't be able to move.

    January,your situation today should'nt be regarded as a "Problem".

    The current situation makes it quite cut n'dried in that if you have possession of the reserved space then you retain it.

    The problems only arise when people fail to accept that,currently, there is only a single space available per bus so once it's gone...it's gone.

    As some posters have alluded to in this thread,much of the problem can arise when the second or subsequent claimants actually manage to board the Bus.

    The key to dealing effectively with the situation is to ensure that the debating is kept to a minimum and that the debater remains off-the-bus...once that second device is placed on the platform the entire issue tends to magnify in intensity.

    This can only be short-circuited by Busdrivers maintaining control over their vehicle and being aware of the distribution of their load at all times as well as scanning approaching stops for likely claimants :)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #71
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    Ah no I know that :) I just like to be able to move for people if they have a younger child with them, I knew how hard it was in the early days trying to travel with a newborn and potentially having to wait for another bus when there was someone with a child who was older and could have sat on a seat/lap but wouldn't give it up to be courteous...

    Thankfully we didn't encounter any problems today, apart from my 2.5 year old talking the ears off anyone who dared sit in the seat in front of the bay!!


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  • #72
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    January wrote: »
    ........
    Thankfully we didn't encounter any problems today, apart from my 2.5 year old talking the ears off anyone who dared sit in the seat in front of the bay!!

    And that,believe it or not,is the norm....for most Bus Users,including those with disabilities and/or buggies etc.

    The vast majority manage to interact with the system just fine,thank you.

    I constantly return to the need to focus the Public Transport system upon these folks,the silent majority who just turn up,travel and never have any difficulty.

    However,there is a modern tendency to focus instead upon the negative appraisals of a relatively small but highly visible (and audible) customer grouping,whose observations,requirements and demands are often totally unfulfillable and made far more in the spirit of selfishness than the "greater good". :)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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