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Nuri Sahin · 19-06-2011 02:15AM

iMuse wrote: »

You would laugh if you seen his recent games, Gets killed twice in a row and rage quits just because its not an up loadable gameplay. 0.3 W/L says it all, hes an average player at best.

Can't believe I'm defending him somewhat, and please correct me if I'm wrong here but doesn't he play on his own primarily? Not covering up for his pitiful W/L playing on his own or not it is just that but I for one wouldn't have the W/L I'd have if I played on my own nor would anyone here.

He's still an obnoxious little twerp however who plays for the things I mentioned, he's admitted himself so long as his K/D is high he couldn't care about winning.

Magill · 19-06-2011 02:55AM

Any decent player should beable to hold a 1.5ish W/L unless they're rage quitters... in which case their K/D is completely false and inflated.

docdolittle · 19-06-2011 04:02AM

Magill wrote: »

Any decent player should beable to hold a 1.5ish W/L unless they're rage quitters... in which case they're K/L is completely false and inflated.

Em.. What? That's kinda BS to be honest... I've played TDM by myself many a time and have got 30-0 k/d and still lost because my team were that bad. Even if you are a great player on your own, you'll still get rolled over by most teams. I've come across many good players when playing in groups that have 2/3+ k/d & w/l and either get there asses handed to them or quit. I really don't see how this makes it false and inflated...

Magill · 19-06-2011 04:25AM

docdolittle wrote: »

Em.. What? That's kinda BS to be honest... I've played TDM by myself many a time and have got 30-0 k/d and still lost because my team were that bad. Even if you are a great player on your own, you'll still get rolled over by most teams. I've come across many good players when playing in groups that have 2/3+ k/d & w/l and either get there asses handed to them or quit. I really don't see how this makes it false and inflated...

Not bull**** in the slightest... TDM is especially easy to hold a decent W/L on your own. Yeah you might get the odd game were you'll have uneven teams but in general it balances out. Domination is easy enough to win on your own aswel. Problem is, most people are too concerned about their killstreaks and K/D to go all out for the win. I've played plenty of games where i've gotten 40+ kills in TDM and lost.. but i've played far more where I am the difference between the teams, one player can do a LOT in pub lobbies.

As for the K/D's being inflated if your a rage quiter... ofc it is... someone who rage quits like xjawz, who does it when he ends up against a team that aren't full of noobs, is obviously going to have a higher K/D than he would if he stuck it out in the hard lobbies. Its inflated compared to the non rage quitters, no ?

Mr. Manager · 19-06-2011 11:57AM

Magill wrote: »

Domination is easy enough to win on your own aswel.

Now that is complete and utter bollix.

Nuri Sahin · 19-06-2011 12:17PM

Reading back, it was a slight over exaggeration on my part but I was tired so give me a break

But there is certainly foundation to my comment. I had a period where I was on my lonesome and I maintained a fairly high W/L in MW2 despite that game making me want to rage near everytime I played it. If you do play TDM or GW(need to use one lethal killstreak at least) for that matter, and you cherry pick your matches(avoid full clans as much as possible) a 1.5 W/L is well achievable.

Like I said before, xJawz W/L is still garbage(and IMO K/D considering what he does). Last time I heard, he was had a .8 W/L which is crap let alone .3 that it is now!

Mr. Manager · 19-06-2011 12:25PM

El LoCo Ade wrote: »

Reading back, it was a slight over exaggeration on my part but I was tired so give me a break But there is certainly foundation to my comment. I had a period where I was on my lonesome and I maintained a fairly high W/L in MW2 despite that game making me want to rage near everytime I played it. If you do play TDM or GW(need to use one lethal killstreak at least) for that matter, and you cherry pick your matches(avoid full clans as much as possible) a 1.5 W/L is well achievable.

I can certainly agree that in TDM it's achievable to maintain a W/L of ~1.5 but playing domination with a bunch of randomers, it's not. You have tards who just camp for the K/D and then you have the other side of the spectrum where they triple cap.

Nuri Sahin · 19-06-2011 12:40PM

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

I can certainly agree that in TDM it's achievable to maintain a W/L of ~1.5 but playing domination with a bunch of randomers, it's not. You have tards who just camp for the K/D and then you have the other side of the spectrum where they triple cap.

All about cherry picking.

Regular Dom it can be difficult I agree. But in GW there's usually one or two others who will do a lot of the capping for you, you just have to become a tard and consistently pull a blackbird, chopper gunner and/or dogs.

True re: the triple cap but it comes back to you and your killstreaks for the most part .

Magill · 19-06-2011 12:43PM

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

Now that is complete and utter bollix.

How often do you play on your own ? I played on my own for the first 2 or 3 presteges , mostly in TDM and dom... and my W/L was about 2.8ish(K/D was similar).. I still play a lot on my own. Even on the xbox, besides the 20ish games i played in a group, the rest was playing GW on my own and i think my W/L + K/D is over 2... and thats with me ****ing about with **** guns for about 50 games.

Mr. Manager · 19-06-2011 12:56PM

Magill wrote: »

How often do you play on your own ? I played on my own for the first 2 or 3 presteges , mostly in TDM and dom... and my W/L was about 2.8ish(K/D was similar).. I still play a lot on my own. Even on the xbox, besides the 20ish games i played in a group, the rest was playing GW on my own and i think my W/L + K/D is over 2... and thats with me ****ing about with **** guns for about 50 games.

I don't play on my own anymore simply because it's not enjoyable. Having said that, I went through 7 prestiges on my own. Standard in games was just awful. I just don't think it's possible to play Dom on your own and run a good W/L over a few prestiges.

Magill · 19-06-2011 01:30PM

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

I don't play on my own anymore simply because it's not enjoyable. Having said that, I went through 7 prestiges on my own. Standard in games was just awful. I just don't think it's possible to play Dom on your own and run a good W/L over a few prestiges.

Well... it is. Again im talking about someone like xjawz, who is obviously a decent player(Just a selfish rage quiting one aswel). An average player will struggle to get over a 1 W/L on his own.

Shammy · 19-06-2011 01:47PM

Triple capping is the way to play Dom imo . I wouldnt play it any other way.

Nuri Sahin · 19-06-2011 02:44PM

Shammy wrote: »

Triple capping is the way to play Dom imo . I wouldnt play it any other way.

On your own it certainly isn't, I'd say the same for Summit and Nuketown as well be it solo or in a group. Not about kills as such on those maps, I hate the stress they can create.

I triple cap on every other map if possible though.

Mr. Manager · 19-06-2011 03:09PM

Playin in a full party, I've no problem triple capping. Playing on your own though is a different story altogether...

Nuri Sahin · 19-06-2011 03:47PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF8M_IGujGY

yimrsg · 19-06-2011 04:19PM

It's pretty hard to triple cap well against a half decent team in 6v6 Domination you normally have the 2 defenders per point vs 6 attackers who tend to spawn close together. Plus the spawns have a tendency to cluster the attacking team together more.

In ground war you can have anything from 6-9 vs 6-9 so there is a greater likelihood of a mismatch in numbers and possibly 3+ defenders for each point.

So in normal domination with attackers (A) vs defenders (D)for a single flag c

6A:2D is a 3:1 ratio

But in ground war it can be:

6A up to 9A : 2D or 3D so a ratio between 3:1 and 2:1. Many people can pick up double kills but it's very hard to pick off 3 or more opponents in quick succession. There is a greater likelihood of a ratio nearer to 2:1 in ground war domination than in 6vs6 domination.

Further reasons why there is a greater likelihood of triple capping in ground war:

1) more players in same sized map so there is higher chance of both deaths and kills due to greater player density. Skillful players should prosper. Weaker players will be exploited.
2) powerful killstreaks become self propagating. Blackbird beget blackbird as there are plentiful enemies for all.
3) host advantage is even more pronounced as there is up to an additional 6 players on the same connection. The likelihood of imbalances increases.
4) more defenders per point means that it is harder to take a single point under fire, the inverse is also true that attackers are more likely to take a point if they attack en masse. But since it's unlikely that attackers are well organised this generally doesn't occur.

Finally some maps are just near enough impossible to triple cap effectively unless you have specialist players who cover the distances between points asap or there is a significant skill difference in teams. Launch is near enough impossible to triple cap, Hanoi, Discovery and the smaller maps to a lesser extent also. It just becomes manic to attempt it unless the scoreboard requires it.

NufcNavan · 19-06-2011 04:42PM

I cannot believe that xJawz has such a low w/l compared to his high kd. What a fag.

x43r0 · 19-06-2011 05:32PM

Shammy wrote: »

Triple capping is the way to play Dom imo . I wouldnt play it any other way.

I go insane on the mic when someone on our team triple caps.

Do you not prefer a predictable spawn (trap) rather than flipping it?

Magill · 19-06-2011 05:41PM

x43r0 wrote: »

I go insane on the mic when someone on our team triple caps.

Do you not prefer a predictable spawn (trap) rather than flipping it?

Think shammy prefers winning as fast as possible as opposed to sitting in the same spot for 10 minutes ADS and building KS's

iMuse · 19-06-2011 05:49PM

NufcNavan wrote: »

I cannot believe that xJawz has such a low w/l compared to his high kd. What a fag.

His K/D aint that high either, 2.7 isnt hard to get the way he plays

Shammy · 19-06-2011 05:52PM

x43r0 wrote: »

I go insane on the mic when someone on our team triple caps.

Do you not prefer a predictable spawn (trap) rather than flipping it?

Spawn trapping holding 2 flags is more common nowadays over the killstreaks , and imo is pretty boring game after game .

I prefer to win and win quickly , its not hard to spawn trap with 3 flags , theres a little more team work involved but its more satisfactory to me.

The last time i came up against a strong boards party , i was playing with 3 of my mates and once we triple -capped the game was more or less over.

edit : if you do it right you only flip half the team and theres only 2 spots on where they will spawn.

Mr. Manager · 19-06-2011 05:56PM

Magill wrote: »

Think shammy prefers winning as fast as possible as opposed to sitting in the same spot for 10 minutes ADS and building KS's

Nothing wrong with building your W/L and K/D in a game.

Magill · 19-06-2011 06:01PM

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

Nothing wrong with building your W/L and K/D in a game.

Never said their was.

Nuri Sahin · 19-06-2011 06:03PM

iMuse wrote: »

His K/D aint that high either, 2.7 isnt hard to get the way he plays

Is it not 3.7? Fairly sure it was.

Mr. Manager · 19-06-2011 06:04PM

Magill wrote: »

Never said their was.

Your post came across otherwise

Nuri Sahin · 19-06-2011 06:20PM

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

Nothing wrong with building your W/L and K/D in a game.

There isn't. But it isn't something to laud or brag about I feel which many do these days.

I used to do that crap once upon a time ago, game after game just trap the enemy. My stats were ridiculous, granted I was playing with better players overall *no offence to anyone here, it was a competitive gaming clan*. It was basically us in cue to let our choppers in COD4 rip through the other team as we trapped them in either Sabotage, Domination or in GW. Win was never in question but I wasn't really enjoying myself, it was all too repetitive and cheap IMO.

Some of the lads (Mags, Lee) will remember that game on Hanoi where we were torn a new one, that was my old clan. That's what they do, spawn trap and they do it effortlessly. Granted they were/are excellent comp players too unlike most who spawn trap in pub matches so I'll cut them some slack, still a crappy way of playing the game.

Magill · 19-06-2011 06:36PM

El LoCo Ade wrote: »

There isn't. But it isn't something to laud or brag about I feel which many do these days.

I used to do that crap once upon a time ago, game after game just trap the enemy. My stats were ridiculous, granted I was playing with better players overall *no offence to anyone here, it was a competitive gaming clan*. It was basically us in cue to let our choppers in COD4 rip through the other team as we trapped them in either Sabotage, Domination or in GW. Win was never in question but I wasn't really enjoying myself, it was all too repetitive and cheap IMO.

Some of the lads (Mags, Lee) will remember that game on Hanoi where we were torn a new one, that was my old clan. That's what they do, spawn trap and they do it effortlessly. Granted they were/are excellent comp players too unlike most who spawn trap in pub matches so I'll cut them some slack, still a crappy way of playing the game.

I was holding my own against them

Especially next game when i switched to G11(Think they were all running it or a famas and low KS's).. shame it was only me and lakes that stayed (I think it was lakes).

Mr. Manager · 19-06-2011 06:37PM

El LoCo Ade wrote: »

There isn't. But it isn't something to laud or brag about I feel which many do these days.

My stats are nothing to brag about, so I don't. The only thing I may have bragged about was my winstreak.

El LoCo Ade wrote: »

I used to do that crap once upon a time ago, game after game just trap the enemy. My stats were ridiculous, granted I was playing with better players overall *no offence to anyone here, it was a competitive gaming clan*. It was basically us in cue to let our choppers in COD4 rip through the other team as we trapped them in either Sabotage, Domination or in GW. Win was never in question but I wasn't really enjoying myself, it was all too repetitive and cheap IMO.

This presence of greatness that yourself and Magill let off is so repetitive. We get it, you guys used to compete on a higher level, you don't use offensive killstreaks, you play on your own and you pick the worst guns.

El LoCo Ade wrote: »

Some of the lads (Mags, Lee) will remember that game on Hanoi where we were torn a new one, that was my old clan. That's what they do, spawn trap and they do it effortlessly. Granted they were/are excellent comp players too unlike most who spawn trap in pub matches so I'll cut them some slack, still a crappy way of playing the game.

I can't speak for everyone I play with but I personally just enjoy beating players. I have no preference how it's done, as long as it's done. It's only your opinion that it's a "crappy" way to win. Obviously others do it, so to them, it's not.

GEasy · 19-06-2011 06:38PM

Hmm . Ya . I stayed on with you . Lee and Ade left

Kells... · 19-06-2011 06:42PM

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

My stats are nothing to brag about, so I don't. The only thing I may have bragged about was my winstreak.

This presence of greatness that yourself and Magill let off is so repetitive. We get it, you guys used to compete on a higher levelyou play on your own, you don't use offensive killstreaks, and you pick the worst guns.

I can't speak for everyone I play with but I personally just enjoy beating players. I have no preference how it's done, as long as it's done. It's only your opinion that it's a "crappy" way to win. Obviously others do it, so to them, it's not.

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