The Real Reason for NATO Attacking Libya ?

Jonny7 wrote: »

No

Jonny7 wrote: »

Do you have an opinion of your own on Libya? I'm not having a go, but without cutting and pasting something someone else says, just try to write something you think about the topic on hand.. it is a "forum" after all.

However, as viciously right wing and biased a media outlet like Fox news are, they have ten times the credibility of an outlet along the lines of e.g. Syrian state TV. Some posters here cannot distinguish this ... at all.

Do you speak Arabic?

drdeadlift wrote: »

I dont know much about russia today,are they solely internet based?

Jonny7 wrote: »

You forgot to add ".. according to Libyan state TV", over in Syria, Assad calls the protesters "terrorist groups", in Egypt Mubarak called it a zionist-Western plot (amongst many things).

Investigation with Ilan Grapel, an Israeli accused of espionage, purportedly revealed that he had entered the country on 28 January, the Day of Anger, with a US passport and a tourist visa, and that Mossad had tasked him with collecting information about the Muslim Brotherhood, Coptic Christians, the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces and the revolutionary youth.


Grapel held the Egyptian flag during demonstrations and chanted with protesters so as to gain their confidence and obtain information from them. He also met with journalists and intellectuals at cafes in downtown Cairo.


Investigators says that he went to the Virgin Mary church in Imbaba a day before sectarian violence took place there. He met with a number of Salafis in the area, who told him of what they were planning to do the next day in response to the disappearance of a Coptic girl after she converted to Islam.
The next day, Grapel returned to the area and filmed the incidents.


However, Grapel denied the charges. Saying that all the videos and information are available on the internet, he asserted that Israel did not need to send anyone for filming the incidents.


Source: Al Masry Al Youm (English Edition)

Read more: Suspected Mossad agent met with members of Muslim Brotherhood and Salafis ~ Terminal X http://www.terminalx.org/2011/06/suspected-mossad-agent-met-with-members.html#ixzz1PebQP9f2

The investigation of Ilan Chaim Grapel / Grappelli, (אילן גרפל), an American-Israeli citizen being held in Egypt on espionage charges purportedly, revealed that he had entered the country on 28 January, the “Day of Anger”, with a US passport and a tourist visa and that mossad had tasked him with collecting information about the Muslim Brotherhood, Coptic Christians, the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces and the revolutionary youth. Grapel then left Egypt and entered again on last February 11 2011 on a direct flight from Frankfurt, he then left Egypt on February 15 2011 and entered again on last May 10 2011 through the airport of Cairo, using US passport. He resided in a hotel in downtown Cairo.

Investigators say that he went to the Virgin Mary church in Imbaba a day before the sectarian violence took place there. He met with a number of Salafis in the area, who told him what they were planning to do the next day in response to the disappearance of a Coptic girl after she converted to Islam.


Grapel gave himself the alias “Illanhu Akbar” in Egypt. He speaks Arabic well and was able to establish friendly relations with a group of young Egyptians and Arabs. He took advantage of his mastery of the Arabic language to conceal his identity and access information about the revolution for the Israeli mossad, of which he had become a member since joining the Israel army.

Mossad agent Ilan Chaim Grapel while sleeping at Al-Azhar mosque
It must be said that all Israelis who speaks Arabic are engaged by the Israeli intelligence services, Shabak, Shin Beit, Aman, or have served as interrogators, or at police or army units serving as occupational forces in the occupied territories and perpetrated war crimes in my homeland Palestine. Of all the israelis I have met, I do not know or remember that even one israeli had learned Arabic out of his own interest, for innocent reasons.

Ilan Chaim Grabel during a meeting with Islamic brothers at Al-Azhar.
Grapel also gave a speech at the Al-Azhar mosque in Egypt, in which he demanded that the Egyptian worshipers should target the military and to resist against them at Al-Tahrir Square and generally incited the audience to engage in violence. He gave other “Islamic” speeches in the Hussein area and at Tahrir Square and in front of Maspero. He recorded the events, his speeches and the audience in video and he even managed to recruit some young people and convince them to attack the armed forces who were at al-Tahrir Square securing the demonstrators.

Ilan Chaim Grabel during a meeting with Jewish friends at a Synagogue.
Source: Kawther Salam

Read more: American-Israeli Mossad agent Ilan Grapel delivered a speech at Al Azhar Mosque ~ Terminal X http://www.terminalx.org/2011/06/american-israeli-mossad-agent-ilan.html#ixzz1Pebi9ycI

The Egyptian authorities and the state news agency revealed on Sunday June 12 2011 that they have arrested Ilan Chaim Grappelli/Grapel, (אילן גרפל ), known in Israel as Ilan Goren (אילן גורן), an American-Israeli Mossad agent, a war criminal who participated in the atrocities of the Lebanon “second war” in 2006, and a former paratrooper soldier who had infiltrated the Egyptian revolutionists and was causing trouble, spying on the military and the revolutionaries, photographing people and reporting to the Mossad, distributing money to some Egyptians and recruiting them in order to cause chaos, to steal and to sabotage public infrastructure in the country.


Grappelli had also been organizing a series of protest movements and preparing them to disobey orders of the military authorities after the overthrow of President Hosni Mubarak.


According to Egyptian authorities, judge Hesham Badawi of the supreme state security prosecution ordered the detention of the israeli spy for 15 days for pending investigations into his alleged spying on Egypt with the aim of sabotaging and harming its economic and political interests. The israeli mossad spy was arrested at a famous hotel in Cairo with a laptop and three mobile phones.

According to the Egyptian intelligence services, Grappelli, the Mossad officer appeared in Egypt shortly before the start of the January 25 uprising, he entered the country with forged Visa and he was among the first elements that existed in Tahrir Square, and he was photographed and his movements followed closely after he had raised suspicions. He visited several regions in Egypt, including North of Sinai, He monitored gas pipelines, the relationship between the Egyptians and the Palestinians. The spy introduced himself to the resistance at Al-Tahrir Square as a “foreign correspondent” supposedly covering the anti-government protests in Cairo. The movements and phone calls of the spy were monitored and filmed in Egypt before his arrest.

Several images of the spy were released by the Egyptian authorities, showing that he had appeared in various places throughout Egypt. In some images is seen raising signs among the demonstrators, in another one he appears at the jewish synagogue, and in others he is seen around areas affected by violence and troubles.

The Egyptian intelligence service was able to track the messages and contacts of the mossad agent with the Israeli government and to some western countries and the USA. The monitoring process confirmed the suspicions about the seditious role which the spy and his backers played in creating chaos in Egypt in an attempt at pre-empting the revolution of the twenty-fifth of January, by way of fomenting sectarian violence between the Egyptians.


Information gathered by the Egyptian intelligence service confirmed that the Israeli spy belonged to the Israeli military and that he had been injured during the Lebanon war of 2006.

According to intelligence sources, Goren/Grapel/Grappelli had participated in the perpetration heinous massacres, war crimes against Lebanese villagers in southern Lebanon. They also published some of his pictures with military uniform during the second Lebanon war.


The Mossad spy admitted that he was assigned to a variety of roles in Egypt in order to generate trouble and that he had paid money to some elements in Egypt so that they would assist him in the implementation of the plan, which was about causing strife and chaos in the country and repeating rumors that would prevent the stabilization of the situation in Egypt. He also admitted that he had paid some elements for the dissemination of rumors and for exploding the pipeline which provides Israel and Jordan with gas.

Egyptian sources pointed out that the confessions of the this Mossad operative will reveal amazing facts about some of the horrible incidents which took place during the last months, especially during the outbreak of the people’s 'revolution' and 'liberation' of Egypt.


It should be noted that previously, three alleged Mossad espionage cells were dismantled in Lebanon and Syria and that Israel has a history of implanting Mossad cells all over western and Arab countries and that there are no doubts that it is behind many horrible crimes such as assassinations of politicians, theft, smuggling of drugs, jewelry, diamonds, weapons, organ trafficking etc., all perpetrated for the advantage of Israel and other Zionist interests. Simply said, Israel is a big threat for security of all people and countries of the world.


The US State Department issued a statement on Sunday reacting to Grapelli’s detention, saying that their Embassy in Cairo “is providing Grapel with the necessary help which provided to all US citizens arrested overseas”. The statement pointed that consular officers visited Gabrel and that the embassy will be in contact with the Egyptian authorities to ensure that he is “being treated fairly under local law”.

Source: Kawther Salam

Read more: Mossad agent captured in Egypt was involved in pipeline blast ~ Terminal X http://www.terminalx.org/2011/06/mossad-agent-captured-in-egypt-was.html#ixzz1Pebzhwsa