Building regulation regarding window restrictors

Poor Uncle Tom · 10-06-2011 03:06PM

If you take a slightly different view point.

What is the reason for opening a window?
The predominent answer is for ventilation purposes, followed by, for cleaning and for access/egress.

Take a look at a 'normal' window, ventilation is achieved while the restrictor is on, cleaning and access/egress is achieved with the restrictor off.

Take a t/t window, ventilation is achieved while in the tilt position, cleaning and access/egress is achieved in the turn position.

Do both windows comply with the Regs? imo, yes.

sydthebeat · 10-06-2011 03:12PM

fair enough martin, we agree that we have different view points.

thanks sas for bring this up....
sometimes we just take things at face value and not really consider them. With a debate like this its good to step back and consider why things are actually asked for.... whats the purpose, whats the use, whats the aim......

next question, disabled access.... (LOL NO!! not going there!!)

sas · 10-06-2011 03:37PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

next question, disabled access.... (LOL NO!! not going there!!)

Probably better for us all...

Gulliver · 10-06-2011 05:05PM

For safety, I'm going to make sure that there are three strands of electrified razor wire at the bottom 400mm of the window.

martinn123 · 11-06-2011 10:18AM

sydthebeat wrote: »

fair enough martin, we agree that we have different view points.

Suppose if we all agreed on everything, it would be very boring.

thanks sas for bring this up....
sometimes we just take things at face value and not really consider them. With a debate like this its good to step back and consider why things are actually asked for.... whats the purpose, whats the use, whats the aim......

Actually I just got stuck in, because as MAC did'nt get back on his spray insulation that you guy's might be at a loose end on a Friday a'noon

next question, disabled access.... (LOL NO!! not going there!!)

for next week, I could suggest, triple v double glazed...........recycled v virgin uPVC........or maybe my personal favourite Architects Fees......Keep the childer away from windows.

Mellor · 14-06-2011 03:18AM

martinn123 wrote: »

ObviouslyBecause the window has two seperate ways to open, either Tilt OR TurnI am not disregarding the tilt function, but I am stating its a seperate function.The Reg's state.....opening window...fit a restrictor...In My Opinion, Turn option selected....opening window...fit a restrictor
I am debating the Reg's in relation to a product, not why the Reg exists, I fully understand why the regulation was introduced.........following too many bad accidents

That's not what the regs state.

martinn123 wrote: »

My last word...............No......to all of the above........when the Turn ''function'' is selected.............Yes .......to all of the above......when the Tilt ''function'' is selected.....................Stupid adult opens window, on Turn......child enters room.....opens window fully and falls.......that's why they introduced the reg........................I thing we have done this to death ( obviously no pun intended ).

the same thing could just as easily apply to a stupid adult opening a normal window and the restrictor off.

Obviously there are two functions of a tilt and turn but the exact same applies to restrictor on or off. How do you see a difference? If the tilt is the initial movement then I don't see the issue.

martinn123 · 14-06-2011 09:46AM

Hi Mellor, thought this was put to bed

Mellor wrote: »

That's not what the regs state.

I did not quote, merely posted a very simple summary

the same thing could just as easily apply to a stupid adult opening a normal window and the restrictor off.

Unfortunately true.

Obviously there are two functions of a tilt and turn but the exact same applies to restrictor on or off. How do you see a difference? If the tilt is the initial movement then I don't see the issue.

OK, let me simplify my thoughts on this.
A normal window has one function.......open/shut.

To avoid accidents the Reg's require a restrictor to assist in avoiding accidents.

A T/T has two functions......ignore for a moment function 1 Tilt......and consider function 2 Turn.....that operation is the same as a normal window,i.e open/shut so to assist in avoiding an accident should a restrictor be fitted. Its not an INITIAL movement, on Tilt, its a seperate movement, chosen by the operator

Mention was made of signing off on these windows as meeting the reg's but in my opinion that relies on the fact that the window has a seperate and distintly other function, Tilt on which you are relying.

So my opinion is that these windows do not comply.......but remember I am not providing Cert's so its up to those who do to make up their own mind, obviously.

Mellor · 14-06-2011 01:00PM

I think the problem is the way your looking at the regulation. You're looking at the it as if the child opens the window, which is wrong. An adult leaving the window in the turn position is just as irresponsible as opening a normal window fully

sinnerboy · 14-06-2011 02:08PM

martinn123 · 14-06-2011 03:18PM

sinnerboy wrote: »

My thoughts exactly, can we leave this now.

muffler · 14-06-2011 06:30PM

martinn123 wrote: »

can we leave this now.

No.

sinnerboy started this so.................

muffler · 14-06-2011 06:31PM

None of you have encountered regs to govern that ^ ^

Poor Uncle Tom · 14-06-2011 06:54PM

I think he had to Tilt and Turn to get out of that one....:pac:

I'd say he got some fright though, he's white as a sheet......:P

muffler · 14-06-2011 07:38PM

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

I'd say he got some fright though, he's white as a sheet......:P

Nein 11 ftw.

martinn123 · 15-06-2011 09:41AM

muffler wrote: »

No.

sinnerboy started this so.................

fair enough, on we go.

Thats a Patio Door not a T/T Window.

So what Reg's are in place to prevent a total gob-shyte gaining access to the balcony.

iwo · 27-07-2011 08:07PM

Hi All, is it ok to instal balcony window/door which opens inside the house?

muffler · 27-07-2011 08:12PM

iwo wrote: »

Hi All, is it ok to instal balcony window/door which opens inside the house?

Martin123 is the man to answer that

Mellor · 28-07-2011 03:20AM

iwo wrote: »

Hi All, is it ok to instal balcony window/door which opens inside the house?

No problem there but the glass needs to be toughened

martinn123 · 28-07-2011 09:05AM

muffler wrote: »

Martin123 is the man to answer that

You called..

I presume you mean, open in, no problem, but it wastes space inside, why not open out?

Toughened glass, yes

sydthebeat · 28-07-2011 09:58AM

martinn123 wrote: »

You called..

I presume you mean, open in, no problem, but it wastes space inside, why not open out?

Toughened glass, yes

outward opening could quite possibly triple the costs of the balcony.

iwo · 28-07-2011 10:12AM

sydthebeat wrote: »

outward opening could quite possibly triple the costs of the balcony.

BINGO...I spent enough on house renovation

but wasn't sure if this type of window is allowed.
Thank you All

martinn123 · 28-07-2011 10:14AM

sydthebeat wrote: »

outward opening could quite possibly triple the costs of the balcony.

Quite Possibly so,if its a small balcony obviously open out is impractical, so a slider like the photo above is one answer. Open in is the other.

If however the balcony is large enough, and without tripling the cost, personally, I would go for open out.

Building regulation regarding window restrictors

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