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Pamela Izevbekhai is still in Ireland! Why?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Veles wrote: »
    Perhaps the appeal was lodged in imagination land?

    I've no idea. The ECHR was meant to make some ruling but I think it was just to say that now the legal avenues have been exhausted the deportation can go ahead.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 189 ✭✭Fred Cohen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,187 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    Veles wrote: »
    Link?

    Should be available tomorrow I reckon


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Fred Cohen wrote: »

    Yes but from Jan of this year

    THE decision on whether Pamela Izevbekhai is to be deported from Ireland following a long-running legal battle is due to be made within weeks after judgment by the European Court of Human Rights.



    The Department of Justice and the Nigerian mother's legal team had a deadline of 3pm last Friday to make their final submissions to the European court.



    The Department of Justice made its final submission outlining its observations about why the Nigerian woman and her two daughters should be deported after a six-year legal battle.



    Izevbekhai's legal adviser also made a submission in support of her application to remain in Ireland in time to meet the deadline. It is understood the decision of the European Court of Human Rights will be made within weeks and all parties will be informed of the outcome.
    ......................................
    Given that she has admitted to submitting forged documentation and that she's exhausted all legal avenues in Ireland, legal sources speculated it was "unlikely" the European Court of Human Rights would oppose the Nigerian's deportation.
    http://www.tribune.ie/news/home-news/article/2011/jan/09/asylum-seeker-izevbekhai-reaches-end-of-legal-line/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,689 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    discus wrote: »
    FFS



    Even if we take some of the places that Ireland has helped over the years - our peacekeepers in Lebanon for example - there's so much we can do. Sorry, there's so much we do do. Every day, we are helping out internationally. Having people like Izevbakhai attempting to take advantage of us is only undermining our pride, and making us feel like the patsies of the western world. Once we have sorted out the frauds, we can get back to doing what we do best - helping those who barely eat every other day or protecting people who are persecuted for their religions. We could do it 40 years ago when we the Irish could barely afford living, we can certainly do it now when we live like kings in comparison to then!

    Sorry for the meandering, non conclusive rant.


    Eh, so there is nothing here in Ireland that needs sorting, no? We should be helping the world, saving the world? This country can barely feed its own people and you are ranting and raving about foreign lands? What the **** did they ever do here?

    Living like Kings? What bubble are you in? There are thousands of Irish emigrating, is that living like kings? Cut backs everywhere, cuts to those in desperate need. Did you not see Primetime a couple of weeks back? Up to our necks in ****ing debt, that is this country.

    Oh, there is plenty of people here who could do with your help, so no need to go trekking half away across the world to be charitable.

    Tell you what; how about when we sort out our own house, then we can be the big white chief and save the poor
    people thousands of miles away?

    As for the religion, kind of ironic, seeing as most of it was spread by Paddy thru the years, leading to nothing but conflict!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 189 ✭✭Fred Cohen


    walshb wrote: »
    Eh, so there is nothing here in Ireland that needs sorting, no? We should be helping the world, saving the world? This country can barely feed its own people and you are ranting and raving about foreign lands? What the **** did they ever do here?

    Living like Kings? What bubble are you in? There are thousands of Irish emigrating, is that living like kings? Cut backs everywhere, cuts to those in desperate need. Did you not see Primetime a couple of weeks back? Up to our necks in ****ing debt, that is this country.

    Oh, there is plenty of people here who could do with your help, so no need to go trekking half away across the world to be charitable.

    Tell you what; how about when we sort out our own house, then we can be the big white chief and save the poor
    people thousands of miles away?

    As for the religion, kind of ironic, seeing as most of it was spread by Paddy thru the years, leading to nothing but conflict!

    But who would pay all the lawyers then ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1106/breaking64.htm

    Supreme Court hears Izevbekhai case


    Nigerian mother Pamela Izevbekhai has told the Supreme Court a sworn statement from a doctor asserting she never had a child who died as a result of complications from female genital mutilation (FGM) is untrue. She claims she has a certificate from another doctor to prove the child’s death.
    Representing herself in the Supreme Court today after her fourth set of lawyers withdrew over what they described as a threatening anonymous postcard, Ms Izevbekhai said her first child Elizabeth died in July 1994 and she has obtained evidence from another doctor certifying this.
    Her case was before the court today following an application from the State to have her entire appeal against the deportation of herself and her two daughters dismissed as an abuse of court process.
    This application was adjourned but she unsuccessfully opposed the State’s application to admit additional affidavits containing new evidence disputing her case.
    She said the affidavits were not true, that they affected her credibility and that she had no knowledge that a previous affidavit and death certificate submitted on her behalf were forged.
    Those affidavits include one by Dr Joseph Unakajo, a Nigerian gynaecologist, whose name was used to support a death certificate and FGM allegations concerning Elizabeth during earlier hearings of Ms Izevbekhai’s asylum application.
    In the affidavit, sworn after Irish officials travelled to Nigeria to investigate the case further, Dr Unakajo said Ms Izevbekhai’s first child was born in 2000 and she did not have a child prior this this. He said she had tried to get him to issue a certificate in relation to Elizabeth but he refused.
    In an affidavit from Irish embassy official, Cormac McHenry, he said he went last February to a local government office in Nigeria, from which the original death certificate (used in Ms Izevbekhai’s asylum application) had allegedly issued, and found no such certificate on file in that office.
    Ms Izevbekhai, in a replying affidavit, said she “entirely rejected” the doctor’s claim that she gave birth to her first child in 2000. The death certificate which she originally supplied was obtained through a friend and she did not accept it was forged because she did not know, she said.
    Addressing the court, Ms Izevbekhai said Dr Unakajo was there at the death of her child while a Dr E Ori later carried out a post mortem. She had since obtained a death certificate from this second doctor through her brother in Nigeria.
    She said she believed Dr Unakajo was acting under influence and she did not even know if this was the same doctor she knew. She said her credbility was being seriously affected especially because the chief justice of Nigeria and the Nigerian ambassador had said she was causing embarrassment to their country.
    Earlier the court heard an anonymous postcard was sent to Ms Izevbekhai’s solicitors telling them to “back off” and claiming she was “the greatest con-artist ever”.
    As a result solicitors Murphy McElligott from Dun Laoghaire, Dublin, asked that they be allowed to withdraw from representing Ms Izevbekhai.
    The court initially refused the application to allow them to withdraw. However, after they lodged a formal application saying Ms Izevbekhai wanted to represent herself because she did not want anybody to be under threat, they were permitted to withdraw.
    Sharon McElligott of Murphy McElligotts solicitors, said in an affidavit an anonymous postcard received at their office on October 23rd last had been taken extremely seriously and the gardai were investigating.
    In the handwritten postcard, the writer states: “Take my advice, back off now, Pamela is the greatest con artist ever.” The writer says Ms Izevbekhai’s husband was deported from England and Italy and she was “making a fool out of the Irish people and costing tax to Irish people.” The writer added: “I know, I am Nigerian, she manipulates everybody.”
    Mr Justice Adrian Hardiman, presiding, said threats were made all the time to lawyers and they had to overcome them. After accepting the formal application to allow Ms Izevbekhai represent herself, he told counsel for Murphy McElligott it was “a pity that had not been done in the first instance instead of a solicitor making an application to come off record on the basis of an anonymous postcard”.
    Tl;ccl.
    (too long, couldn't care less). Also, none of my business.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Dangerous Man


    Nodin wrote: »
    Or - mad idea this - they presumed, based on what was known at the time - she was being upfront about it.



    What is a "rat group" and a "rat agenda"?

    You're right - it is a mad idea because the woman is a serial liar and what was 'known' at the time were lies. I think it's important that before you turn up at the steps of a court blathering to the media about 'asylum seeker's rights' etc. you at least make an attempt to honestly evaluate those that come before you seeking help. If you don't - you're a rat - and more interested in pushing your agenda than seeking the truth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,689 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    You're right - it is a mad idea because the woman is a serial liar and what was 'known' at the time were lies. I think it's important that before you turn up at the steps of a court blathering to the media about 'asylum seeker's rights' etc. you at least make an attempt to honestly evaluate those that come before you seeking help. If you don't - you're a rat - and more interested in pushing your agenda than seeking the truth.

    I assume you are speaking about her defenders, primarily Rosanna and her rent a crowd? They aren't into the business of right and wrong. They will defend asyslum applications no matter what comes out about the applications. Anyone who doesn't see this is dumb, or mischievous, sorry!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,187 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    Veles wrote: »
    Link?
    mikom wrote: »
    Respawning in 3.... 2.....1.......
    Fred Cohen wrote: »
    Any source that the appeal to the ECHR was rejected?
    Nodin wrote: »
    None that I found.

    Decision of the ECHR


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭ilovelamp2000


    Nodin wrote: »
    Or - mad idea this - they presumed, based on what was known at the time - she was being upfront about it.



    What is a "rat group" and a "rat agenda"?

    It was known by the various authorities at the time that no kid died of FGM, she might not have told you and the other do gooders thatbut she wouldnt have gotten her own little issue group if she did.

    Shame on you for being so easily led.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,689 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    It was known by the various authorities at the time that no kid died of FGM, she might not have told you and the other do gooders thatbut she wouldnt have gotten her own little issue group if she did.

    Shame on you for being so easily led.


    I don't think Nodin was easlily led, he/she is probably a lot like others, who know damn well of the scams and fraud but decide to encourage and defend it regardless. Isn't thay why we are in this mess. Pamela is simply exploiting this/these people. They are the real problem, not the asylum seekers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Dangerous Man


    walshb wrote: »
    I assume you are speaking about her defenders, primarily Rosanna and her rent a crowd? They aren't into the business of right and wrong. They will defend asyslum applications no matter what comes out about the applications. Anyone who doesn't see this is dumb, or mischievous, sorry!

    You've nothing to be sorry about - that's my exact point. They don't give a damn about the morality of situation. They just want to push their agenda.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    You're right - it is a mad idea because the woman is a serial liar and what was 'known' at the time were lies.
    .
    It wasn't known at the time she was lying.
    I think it's important that before you turn up at the steps of a court blathering to the media about 'asylum seeker's rights' etc. you at least make an attempt to honestly evaluate those that come before you seeking help. If you don't - you're a rat - and more interested in pushing your agenda than seeking the truth.

    You still haven't explained what a "rat agenda" is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    EF wrote: »

    Thats dated 17th may and refers to the inadmisibility of a submission. There is zero reportage that I can find on that, and nothing referring to her having failed at the European route.
    It was known by the various authorities at the time that no kid died of FGM, she might not have told you and the other do gooders thatbut she wouldnt have gotten her own little issue group if she did.

    You'll pardon me on waiting for a court to take a look at these things before taking the word of the "authorities". What is the opposite of "do gooder"? "Redirected anger at convenient scapegoat-er"?
    walshb wrote:
    I don't think Nodin was easlily led, he/she is probably a lot like others, who know damn well of the scams and fraud but decide to encourage and defend it regardless.

    Its "he" last I looked. I'd suggest you're talking through your arse. The woman made a claim. It went through the courts, evidence was produced she was lying and thats the end of that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    Nodin wrote: »
    It wasn't known at the time she was lying.



    You still haven't explained what a "rat agenda" is.


    (b) The Refugee Appeals Tribunal (“RAT”)

    8. The applicants appealed to the RAT. The RAT allowed them time to furnish additional documents (“the applicants’ RAT documents”) which the applicants had sought to submit. These included:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Hootanany wrote: »
    (b) The Refugee Appeals Tribunal (“RAT”)

    8. The applicants appealed to the RAT. The RAT allowed them time to furnish additional documents (“the applicants’ RAT documents”) which the applicants had sought to submit. These included:

    Ty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    Eh hello, the woman is a fraud, a joke and an out and out scam artist. With the problems our country is faced with, the money spend on her could be easily better spent!

    She's costing us a FORTUNE we don't have and you think it's not important? :rolleyes:

    Yeah, she's costing us a fortune, alright. Get this sorted and we're in the clear. This puts the the fact that we're on the brink of economic collapse due in a large part to the actions of some of 'our own' in the shade.
    Forget about the money you'll be shelling out to bail-out foreign speculators/banks who gambled their money by investing in Irish banks and now expect Irish tax-payers to pick up the tab; every worker in the state is on the hook for 96,000 euro, at last count.
    Don't worry about this heist, though; save your ire for the big issues.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    I see Profitus is still lurking around thanking posts, but hasn't yet answered what I put to him back here.....
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=72743241&postcount=563


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,187 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    Nodin wrote: »
    Thats dated 17th may and refers to the inadmisibility of a submission. There is zero reportage that I can find on that, and nothing referring to her having failed at the European route.

    Her application to take a case to the ECHR was deemed manifestly unfounded i.e. she hasn't got a leg to stand on! Her application therefore failed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,689 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    EF wrote: »
    Her application to take a case to the ECHR was deemed manifestly unfounded i.e. she hasn't got a leg to stand on! Her application therefore failed.

    Hasn't done her any harm though, has it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭SWL


    ascanbe wrote: »
    Yeah, she's costing us a fortune, alright. Get this sorted and we're in the clear. This puts the the fact that we're on the brink of economic collapse due in a large part to the actions of some of 'our own' in the shade.
    Forget about the money you'll be shelling out to bail-out foreign speculators/banks who gambled their money by investing in Irish banks and now expect Irish tax-payers to pick up the tab; every worker in the state is on the hook for 96,000 euro, at last count.
    Don't worry about this heist, though; save your ire for the big issues.

    That is a ridiculous argument, the banks are costing you money so you should ignore every other thief or wrong doing. if you're car is stolen today and a Garda says "stop annoying me I am trying to catch the Anglo mob, which is costing you 96k, get your prioritises right your car thief is irrelevant, I doubt you would be pleased.

    People are entitled to be outraged at this women behaviour and it will be a sad day for Ireland if a known liar is allowed to stay and live off the Irish taxpayer as she has done for years. The continued cost of court time and the brass neck ability to continue with this story really is amazing, especially when she don't have to do a days work to earn the money its up to "paddy" to pay her way.

    Ireland owes this women nothing she should go back to the UK from where she arrived and stop burdening the tax payer and making a mockery of Irish hospitality.

    And those members of the immigrant quangos posting here should acknowledge and condemn her lies in the interest of genuine asylum seekers, but that would mean admitting they were had by con artist and leftism don't do I was wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭profitius


    Nodin wrote: »
    I see Profitus is still lurking around thanking posts, but hasn't yet answered what I put to him back here.....
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=72743241&postcount=563

    The problem is that some people are easily fooled.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    EF wrote: »
    Her application to take a case to the ECHR was deemed manifestly unfounded i.e. she hasn't got a leg to stand on! Her application therefore failed.

    Yet the date is from 17th may and theres been no announcement about it whatsoever.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=72741860&postcount=558


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    profitius wrote: »
    The problem is that some people are easily fooled.


    Somebody made a claim, that claim was investigated and found to be false. Thats the way things work. If you don't like that, Western society is not for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭ilovelamp2000


    Nodin wrote: »
    You'll pardon me on waiting for a court to take a look at these things before taking the word of the "authorities". What is the opposite of "do gooder"? "Redirected anger at convenient scapegoat-er"?

    I wont pardon you for supporting this nonsense. And as someone who has worked on numerous asylum applications I'm not sure I can be accurately described as the opposite of a do gooder. I just know from experience that the vast majority of asylum applications are complete and utter nonsense, and because of the nonsense the genuine cases find it tougher to make it through the process.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    I wont pardon you for supporting this nonsense. And as someone who has worked on numerous asylum applications I'm not sure I can be accurately described as the opposite of a do gooder. I just know from experience that the vast majority of asylum applications are complete and utter nonsense, and because of the nonsense the genuine cases find it tougher to make it through the process.


    ....yes, you know, because you were there, man.

    Anecdotes aren't worth a ****, tbh.

    The woman presented a case, it was investigated and found to be false. Where I do recognise that you might prefer some arbitrary system based on whether or not it sounds ok to you, whether you 'like the look of them' or not, thats just not the way it works.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,990 ✭✭✭JustAddWater


    ascanbe wrote: »
    Yeah, she's costing us a fortune, alright. Get this sorted and we're in the clear. This puts the the fact that we're on the brink of economic collapse due in a large part to the actions of some of 'our own' in the shade.
    Forget about the money you'll be shelling out to bail-out foreign speculators/banks who gambled their money by investing in Irish banks and now expect Irish tax-payers to pick up the tab; every worker in the state is on the hook for 96,000 euro, at last count.
    Don't worry about this heist, though; save your ire for the big issues.

    Where did I say that this was the only issue or the most important issue facing the country?

    I agreee that yes, bankers etc need to be called on their crimes but:

    A) This is not a banking thread, therefore I am only talking about Pamela Izevbekhai on this thread. I agree with you bu this isn't the place

    B) Don't be naive, this is just one person who has cost the state thousands now if not hundreds of thousands already. A woman who has lied and fooled her way through the irish courts system, a woman who has brought her appeal all the way to europe. This doesn't come cheap for the Irish taxpayer.

    And remember this is one woman of probably hundreds who launched similar appeals in order to avoid deportation. So yes, I do think this issue is important. We can't turn a blind eye to this because there are other problems going on

    "Congrats Pamela, you can stay now, sorry we tried to deport you and all that but we've decided to give up now because there are other things we need to pursue"..... Eh, no. If you do that, it makes us a soft target for others to come over and try the same bull again, knowing it'll either work or we wont care enough to stop them....

    That 96k I owe... you can bet that a couple of €€€ has come from cases just like this


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,968 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    This thread started almost two years ago.

    I wonder will it be going in another two years

    It's a golden age for lawyers I suppose


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,990 ✭✭✭JustAddWater


    mikemac wrote: »
    This thread started almost two years ago.

    Shows you how long that wagon has been milking our justice system.... :rolleyes:


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