BF unhappy with GF allegedly aborting erects billboard accusing her of murder

CrazyRabbit · 10-06-2011 08:29PM

Dangerous Man wrote: »

The woman had a miscarriage.

Source?

Obviously that would make a huge difference.

CrazyRabbit · 10-06-2011 08:30PM

liah wrote: »

The woman is the only one who has to carry the baby inside of her, the one who has to feed the child with her body, the one who has to undergo the pain of giving birth, the one who has to undergo hormones wreaking havoc on her, etc., therefore I'd say it's woman 51% and man 49%.

They may have both created it but the share up to the birth is not equal, not by a long shot.

So you agree that he has, at least some responsibility, and therefore some say in the matter?

liah · 10-06-2011 08:38PM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

So you agree that he has, at least some responsibility, and therefore some say in the matter?

Of course, but he should not be making the final decision. She should consider his perspective, but her opinion has that bit of extra clout because she's the one who actually has to bear the child, she should have the right to decide if she wants to put herself through that.

Wolfe Tone · 10-06-2011 08:40PM

If a woman were to kill my child like that I would be devastated and very very angry.

I applaud him, it raises the issue of fathers having their kids killed by mothers despite him wanting the child and in all probability willing to look after it himself.

Thats of course if it wasnt abortion.

"Either you marry me or I'm not going to have this baby type of thing."

WTF, thats sick.

Chuck Stone · 10-06-2011 08:42PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I do think we would do well to remember that the baby was his as much as hers and he is clearly grieving.

Was it though?

Let's say he had equal rights to that child should he then be allowed to imprison that girl to prevent her from having an abortion?

How do you respect both people's wishes without the threat of force or imprisonment?

Also, we have no idea of his motivations for wanting the child. Perhaps he's a complete bastard and seeks for her to have the child so he can maintain some sort of relationship with her.

I think in these difficult types of cases pro-choice is pro women.

(Just my opinion)

metrovelvet · 10-06-2011 08:44PM

Hes the author of his own destruction because if this girl has any sense she will take out a slander suit against him since paternity cannot be established in utero and he cant prove that she indeed did kill 'HIS' child, nor that he 'KILLED' any child, since abortion is not considered murder in the USA.

What an idiot.

Natural selection is not working.

flutterflye · 10-06-2011 08:56PM

Don't get me wrong, I think it's crazy, and a sad situation for all involved, but is it any different to writing your story in 'OK', or 'calling Joe' etc?

Chuck Stone · 10-06-2011 09:00PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

"Either you marry me or I'm not going to have this baby type of thing."

WTF, thats sick.

Very easy solution to that.

Marry - baby gets borned - divorce.

im invisible · 10-06-2011 09:03PM

shur, dont we all like killing babies, now and then?

black francis wrote: »

Domestic rows should all be conducted by Billboard advertising.
I must try to get my “Why do you never empty the dishwasher” billboard erected later.

reminds me of this, my mom always hated you

F.U.B.A.R wrote: »

I think the fore fathers realy f#$@ed themselfs over with that amendmant. how hard is it to put (within reason) at the end Also Iam suprised nobody cares about the giant age gap! 17years!

"i bet the founding fathers had an easier time..."

Toby Take a Bow · 10-06-2011 09:35PM

metrovelvet wrote: »

Natural selection is not working.

Well, it kind of is. Although he was very close to reproducing, he didn't in this case.

Neyite · 10-06-2011 09:43PM

1 in 4 first time pregnancies can end in miscarriage. Can he prove she aborted it more than to say "she was pregnant and went to wisconsin and wasnt pregnant anymore..."

Dangerous Man · 10-06-2011 09:50PM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Source?

Obviously that would make a huge difference.

It's widely reported that her friends say she had a miscarriage.

bronte · 10-06-2011 10:49PM

Don't understand why he did it if he couldn't even prove she'd had an abortion...not that that's a crime.
If it means that much to you,don't stick your cock in people who don't share your pro-life views.
It'll save you a lot of hurt.

Agent Smith · 10-06-2011 10:54PM

Bit of a dick move, but he's exercising his First Amendment rights. doesn't name her.

Dangerous Man · 10-06-2011 11:35PM

Agent Smith wrote: »

Bit of a dick move, but he's exercising his First Amendment rights. doesn't name her.

Her name is Nani Lawrence.

CrazyRabbit · 11-06-2011 12:46AM

liah wrote: »

Of course, but he should not be making the final decision. She should consider his perspective, but her opinion has that bit of extra clout because she's the one who actually has to bear the child, she should have the right to decide if she wants to put herself through that.

Unless it's a 50/50 decision, then it's really just the woman's decision. 49% can't win. Your statement just sugarcoats that fact.

The question is...who is responsible for the life/potential life of an unborn child? Once a child is born, most people would agree that the responsibility is indeed 50/50, so I fail to see how it is any different 1 day before birth, or 6 months before birth. Equal responsibility starts with the sexual act that led to conception as far as I'm concerned.

(With exception of rape, or faulty contraception), a woman's right to not bear that child starts and ends during sex.

bronte · 11-06-2011 01:25AM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Unless it's a 50/50 decision, then it's really just the woman's decision. 49% can't win. Your statement just sugarcoats that fact.

The question is...who is responsible for the life/potential life of an unborn child? Once a child is born, most people would agree that the responsibility is indeed 50/50, so I fail to see how it is any different 1 day before birth, or 6 months before birth. Equal responsibility starts with the sexual act that led to conception as far as I'm concerned.

(With exception of rape, or faulty contraception), a woman's right to not bear that child starts and ends during sex.

Please inform every woman you sleep with of your belief.

orourkeda · 11-06-2011 01:59AM

Should have worn a rubber

Show Time · 11-06-2011 02:05AM

Cold hearted and ruthless counter strike from the boyfriend.

Chuck Stone · 11-06-2011 02:07AM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

a woman's right to not bear that child starts and ends during sex.

No.

bronte · 11-06-2011 01:05PM

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979433099

This guy's ex-wife is now speaking out about how he was abusive to her in a bid to help his ex-girlfriend's civil case against him.

Greg Fultz found himself in the center of a media firestorm this week when he put up a billboard claiming his ex-girlfriend had aborted their child. Now Greg's ex-wife Jennifer McConnell has gone public with details of their relationship, painting Fultz as unstable and abusive. She hopes that by sharing her story she can help Nani Lawrence's civil case against Fultz. McConnell spoke to Gather.com exclusively today.

Gather.com: The story about Greg became national news earlier this week, but you waited until today to start your Twitter account. What finally made you decide to go public and start telling your story?

McConnell: Quite honestly, if I would have had somebody doing this for me eight years ago, something more may have been accomplished in my case. By speaking out against him, I'm hoping he will never be able to hurt another woman, and hopefully Nani will receive some justice for what he's put her through so far.

Gather.com: How did you first hear about his billboard project? What was your initial reaction?

McConnell: My mother called to tell me about it on Wednesday. My first reaction was to find out if I could help Nani in any way.

On Meeting Greg Fultz:

Gather.com: How and when did you and Greg Fultz meet? How long were you married? What was his behavior like before you got married? Was there any indication that he was in any abusive before you were married?

McConnell: We met at a gas station in Springfield, IL one evening in 1998. He was controlling when it came to who I could and could not talk to, including my family, but no physical abuse until much later. We were married for five years, however I left after three years.

Fultz's Interest in an Underage Girl:

Gather.com: You said in one of your tweets that you were involved with Greg while you were still 16. Did he know or care that you were underage? Does he have a history of being involved with underage girls?

McConnell: He knew how old I was, and has admitted it in one of his tweets tonight.

A History of Abuse:

Jennifer McConnell's Twitter account chronicles a variety of abuse suffered under Greg Fultz. Understandably she preferred not to go into detail about this abuse, but her Tweets give a rather vivid picture of the type of life she lived with Fultz.

Gather.com: You mentioned that he attempted suicide as a way to get you back. Can you go into detail about that? Is it normal for him to do something dramatic like that as a way to win someone back? Do you think that was what he was attempting with the billboard?

McConnell: One night in 2003 he sent a suicide note to my mother via fax. She immediately called Cole County Police, who found Greg unconsious and naked in the country, holding an empty whiskey bottle and our wedding picture. After bringing him back from the dead quite literally, they had him admitted to the hospital. The billboard thing isn't an attempt to get het back, it's a vindictive move to humiliate her, nothing more.

Father's Rights?

Gather.com: Greg is now essentially claiming that the billboard was entirely about "father's rights" and that he desperately wanted to be a father. There even appears to be a message from him to his Congressperson on Facebook where he asks for a law to be passed giving men 50% rights over women's bodies while they're pregnant. When you were married was he ever interested in having children? Is his interest in "father's rights" legitimate or do you believe this is just an excuse for him to stalk and harass Nani?

McConnell: He always has wanted kids, even had names picked out for his first son: Gregorian Diablo Fultz. Loosely translated to Gregory the Devil. His interest in pro-life is valid, however the father's rights movements are strictly to put his name out there, get his 15 minutes, while giving himself ammo towards Nani.

On Talking to Nani:

Gather.com: Have you communicated at all with Nani? Would you be willing to make the evidence you have against Greg (police reports, etc) available to her legal team if they wanted them?

McConnell: I have not had the pleasure of speaking to her, however all evidence I have had been offered to the police dept.

Gather.com: What is your life like now that you are long past your relationship with Greg?

McConnell: Much better, much safer, and I have become a much stronger woman because of him.

Gather.com and Renee Shah thank Jennifer McConnell for her time, honesty, and insight into a new chapter of the Greg Fultz story.

Seems he has a bit of a dodgy history with women.

F.U.B.A.R · 11-06-2011 02:39PM

even if she had an abortion she DINDT kill a sentiant being but merely an organism that was leaching off her and its her body so her choice 100%

drkpower · 11-06-2011 02:55PM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

The question is...who is responsible for the life/potential life of an unborn child? Once a child is born, most people would agree that the responsibility is indeed 50/50, so I fail to see how it is any different 1 day before birth, or 6 months before birth. Equal responsibility starts with the sexual act that led to conception as far as I'm concerned. .

As your premise is incorrect, so is what follows. In this country, once a child is born, the responsibility is not even close to 50:50, unless the parents are married.

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

(With exception of rape, or faulty contraception), a woman's right to not bear that child starts and ends during sex.

So, in cases of faulty contraception, a woman has a right to an abortion. Is that your view? If so, you might give a little thought to the implications of that and how those implications sit with your own views.

CrazyRabbit · 11-06-2011 04:10PM

drkpower wrote: »

As your premise is incorrect, so is what follows. In this country, once a child is born, the responsibility is not even close to 50:50, unless the parents are married. So, in cases of faulty contraception, a woman has a right to an abortion. Is that your view? If so, you might give a little thought to the implications of that and how those implications sit with your own views.

With those exceptions of rape and faulty contraception, there can be no responsibility placed on the woman. And with rape, the guy is not exactly like to take any responsibility. These two exceptions make things far more complicated, as they take away the woman's right to make that choice to get pregnant. It doesn't contradict my opinions though. Both parents have equal rights/responsibility for that child/unborn child, since they both played equal parts in creating it. A rapist of course, gives up that right, so a woman gets 100% say in the matter.

Oh, and I wasn't talking about the legal responsibilities of parents. We know that's messed up. I was talking about the moral & practical responsibilities.

It's simple really....
Man & woman choose to have unprotected sex.
The women gets pregnant (deliberately or accidentally).
Both are equally responsible for this creation of life/creation of embryo (depending on your views)
Since both are equally responsible, this should extend to the responsibility for ending the pregnancy.

If they use contraception that fails, then it's unfortunate, but doesn't change the overall responsibility to end that pregnancy. But there is no responsibility for the pregnancy occurring though.

If the pregnancy is due to rape, then the woman is not responsible, but the choice become solely hers.

I can't make it any clearer, so this is my last post on the topic.

AckwelFoley · 11-06-2011 04:20PM

meah, i can understand why she had the abortion, because by doing what he did, he seems like a class A wanker.

Abortion, one that can be debated to death, pardon the pun, but its an issue that caused the end of my friendship with my best friend a few years ago, and we have only started speaking again.

He similarly was upset his gf was going to have an abortion, i defended her right to have one as she was young and on top of the fact that his record with women would have it that they wouldnt have more than a year or so togeather, leaving her with the baby to look after on her own it was a big decision for her to make

The bottom line is - im disgusted by the lack of rights unmarried fathers have in this country, but i am equally aware that there are men that simply walk away, a thing that a mother cannot do. While promises and best intentions are all well and good, things change, but the child will be there.

Im not getting into a moral christion debate about when a unborn child is a child - but i dont have a problem wiith abortion if it is done at an early stage of the pregnancy.

drkpower · 11-06-2011 04:23PM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

I can't make it any clearer, so this is my last post on the topic.

To be honest, your position is far from clear. You seem to take contradictory positions with regard to the rights a woman should have where pregnancy arises from contraception failure.

Is your position that a woman in that situation has no responsibility and that therefore she should be entitled to an abortion? If so, can you think of any practical issues that might be thrown up by such an approach?

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Oh, and I wasn't talking about the legal responsibilities of parents. We know that's messed up. I was talking about the moral & practical responsibilities.
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The legal position in this country stems from moral and practical considerations. Your assertion is that parents are 50:50 responsible for a baby after birth. The only thing you have to back that up is your own subjective view. But the law, which is one of the instruments by which the State (on behalf of the people) determine its priorities and people's responsibilities, disagrees. So, as your assertion is incorrect, anything that follows from it is similarly incorrect.

D1stant · 11-06-2011 04:27PM

I dont think its 50:50 morally

The woman has more say, and ultimate veto

- Its her body
- Its her life

Lets face it Mens lives dont change that significantly after children.

Dudess · 11-06-2011 04:30PM

Generally speaking, it is tough on a man who would love to have the child - HIS child - and has virtually no say in it. I know there are lots of variables, I'm not saying it's exactly ideal for a woman to have to carry a child for nine months when she doesn't want to. But the initial thing I said, well that remains, and it's very sad for those men.

BF unhappy with GF allegedly aborting erects billboard accusing her of murder

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