David Norris for President....would you vote for him?

prinz · 10-06-2011 12:04PM

RachaelVO wrote: »

Smart, insightful, well thought out response. Well done you :rolleyes:

In other words your point is completely irrelevant. I am sure Mary Robinson had plenty of contacts who liked and respected her, same for Mary McAleese, Brian Crowley would have too, as would Gay Mitchell. So basically there is nothing unique about Norris at all.

Biggins · 10-06-2011 12:06PM

tayto lover wrote: »

....She is highly respected, which will never be the case for D.N.

...And YOU know this how exactly?

I'd be most interested to hear of your sources for this presumption!

bbam · 10-06-2011 12:08PM

rontals wrote: »

I`d vote for him. He would probably be more visible than Mary McAleese. I really wonder how she spends her time. Does the Aras need constant hoovering or what!

That's unbelievable...
How anyone could put him before someone who has to be among the top presidents the country has had is incredible.

He may be an intellectual but on what subjects...
From my opinion his only qualifying traits for the job are he's gay, has liberal attitudes, and is a Joycean scholar.. FFS which of these will he use if legislation is referred to him from the Dail :rolleyes:...

I for one don't want to be represented by him and will not be voting for him. I'd say the current campaign against him will prevent him getting in....hopefully

RachaelVO · 10-06-2011 12:12PM

prinz wrote: »

In other words your point is completely irrelevant. I am sure Mary Robinson had plenty of contacts who liked and respected her, same for Mary McAleese, Brian Crowley would have too, as would Gay Mitchell. So basically there is nothing unique about Norris at all.

Mary Robinson, Crowley and Mitchell I'll give ya that. Yes they are well known, and Robinson well very well know before she was president. McAleese no, she has met and gained some influence because of her presidency.

The last thing Ireland needs is Gay Mitchell as president, another right wing EU'r, there's enough of them with brown noses sitting in the Dail!

So going back to the point, he is known and respected internationally, as opposed to as has been said, that he wasn't know!

Yakult · 10-06-2011 12:13PM

Is their anyone else running for presidency????

RachaelVO · 10-06-2011 12:15PM

tayto lover wrote: »

On the contrary, the general public know, respect and love Mary McAleese as do the foreign leaders of nearly every country. She is highly respected, which will never be the case for D.N.

?????????
She visited the Netherlands, I knew she did cos it was on the RTE news website, not a mention of it anywhere in the dutch media, not a one, and I speak, read and write dutch, and read/watch dutch news regularly... So no, DN has a higher profile seeking a nomination than she has had during her whole presidency!

prinz · 10-06-2011 12:21PM

RachaelVO wrote: »

Mary Robinson, Crowley and Mitchell I'll give ya that. Yes they are well known, and Robinson well very well know before she was president. McAleese no, she has met and gained influence because of her presidency.

McAleease was also the Reid Professor of Law at Trinity (taking over that position from Mary Robinson) and was a founding member of the Campaign For Homosexual Law Rewform, indeed as legal advisor in that role she worked with Norris on that campaign and her job there was later taken over by Robinson...

So no, there is no major difference in their backgrounds before the Presidencies.

RachaelVO wrote: »

The last thing Ireland needs is Gay Mitchell as president, another right wing EU'r, there's enough of them with brown noses sitting in the Dail!

Well made point etc..

RachaelVO wrote: »

So going back to the point, he is known and respected internationally, as opposed to as has been said, that he wasn't know!

Yes, he is known by the people who know him personally. Sure anyone with friends abroad could be desribed as known and respected internationally on that basis.

Biggins · 10-06-2011 12:26PM

So Norris has worked along side our outgoing president.
So he has equally worked along side other European people and organisations.

I would have said he is equally entitled at least then, to run for the same office!

However if we are just electing people just on their being known - jeasus... we might as well find our own Irish version of Sarah Palin!

prinz · 10-06-2011 12:28PM

Biggins wrote: »

So Norris has worked along side our outgoing president. So he has equally worked along side other European people and organisations. I would have said he is equally entitled at least then, to run for the same office!

Exactly my point. It's nothing unique to Norris, despite the picture some people would like to paint.

Biggins · 10-06-2011 12:31PM

prinz wrote: »

Exactly my point. It's nothing unique to Norris, despite the picture some people would like to paint.

...And in fairness, there is nothing lesser in qualification/European experience (where he will be working as elsewhere too) to be said about him - well except for those that will jump on him for being 'different' or "too camp" (that one makes me laugh).

Spread · 10-06-2011 12:40PM

Just as a little aside, the on-line bookies are whittling down the odds for Gay Mitchell and Michael D. The former from 18/1 yesterday to 9/2 today and the latter from 11/4 to 9/4 today. Stan James has Michael D as favourite at 5/4 - in front of Cox who is still best priced at 2/1. As the poll at the top of this thread shows ....... there is a gradual easing off on Master David's excitable dash for the Park. He can now be backed at a seductive 4/1. Cappuccino anyone? Latte .....?

zuroph · 10-06-2011 12:42PM

cox ahead of Mickey D on paddypower, still think the value would be on mickey d. 4/1 on Norris, psshh, I got on at 16/1 months ago.

RachaelVO · 10-06-2011 12:42PM

prinz wrote: »

McAleease was also the Reid Professor of Law at Trinity (taking over that position from Mary Robinson) and was a founding member of the Campaign For Homosexual Law Rewform, indeed as legal advisor in that role she worked with Norris on that campaign and her job there was later taken over by Robinson...

So no, there is no major difference in their backgrounds before the Presidencies.

McAleese has minimal profile. Her visit to other states is NEVER recorded or barely mention in those states. She was only ever nominated so Bertie could stick it to Reynolds.

prinz wrote: »

Well made point etc..

Is that an attempt at sarcasm there? :rolleyes:

Yes, he is known by the people who know him personally. Sure anyone with friends abroad could be desribed as known and respected internationally on that basis.[/QUOTE]

Earlier in the thread he was accused of having no sway or knowing anyone with political/judicial importance internationally. That is simply not true and that is the point I was making. I never said it was unique!

Spread · 10-06-2011 12:54PM

RachaelVO wrote: »

NON!

Spread m'love, you have a pretty strange definition of what you think camp is, looking dapper doesn't make you camp! Not nearly flamboyant enough to be camp!

I must also point out, you've a strange idea of who you think the man of my dreams is (FYI it's George Clooney, Antonio Bandares, Johnny Depp).

I knew we'd have something in common - George Clooney.
I had the hots for his aunt Rosemary - after seeing her with Danny Kaye in White Christmas.

mikom · 10-06-2011 12:56PM

Spread wrote: »

I knew we'd have something in common - George Clooney.
I had the hots for his aunt Rosemary - after seeing her with Danny Kaye in White Christmas.

This is George Clooney the bi-sexual we are talking about here spread.
Be careful...... you might catch the gay.

AudreyHepburn · 10-06-2011 01:00PM

tayto lover wrote: »

On the contrary, the general public know, respect and love Mary McAleese as do the foreign leaders of nearly every country. She is highly respected, which will never be the case for D.N.

Wishful thinking Tayto Lover?

Spread · 10-06-2011 01:01PM

zuroph wrote: »

i wear rings some times....

So do I, but not on both pinkies simultaneously.

[/QUOTE] DEAR LORD I'm GAY!!!!!?!!!?!?! :eek:[/QUOTE]

Well Hello Sailor!

RachaelVO · 10-06-2011 01:09PM

Spread wrote: »

I knew we'd have something in common - George Clooney.
I had the hots for his aunt Rosemary - after seeing her with Danny Kaye in White Christmas.

Ah good ol George, he make his Tuxedo look good!

Spread · 10-06-2011 01:10PM

mikom wrote: »

This is George Clooney the bi-sexual we are talking about here spread.
Be careful...... you might catch the gay.

Au contraire mikom, no chance. As often happens here there is a little misunderstanding. The common denominator was George ........ I only lusted after his aunt. But the word "bi" seems to be a fellow traveller with the Clooneys ....... Rosemary was bipolar and spent lengthy spells incarcerated under horrendous conditions, so violent were her outbursts.

Biggins · 10-06-2011 01:44PM

mikom wrote: »

Stall the ball.
Along comes a righteous cowboy with a white hat to save the town from ruin..........

If you saw it in a Hollywood movie you would say the script was shite.

Just a further follow-up and confirmation.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/gay-mitchell-i-want-to-be-the-next-president-2671908.html

Friday June 10 2011
Dublin MEP Gay Mitchell has thrown his hat into the ring for the Fine Gael presidential nomination.

Although he ruled himself out of the contest last year, he said he had reconsidered when former leader John Bruton said he would not run, because so many of his colleagues wanted him to stand.

Mr Mitchell, who said his political approach was informed by "a Christian Democratic ethos, based on four pillars: rights and responsibilities, enterprise and social justice", contested the Fine Gael leadership contest against Enda Kenny in 2002.

A former Minister of State for European Affairs, Mr Mitchell topped the poll in Dublin in the last European elections.
He said today: “I want to advance this ethos in public life and I see the Presidency as another way of doing so. My belief is that this ethos, if applied sensibly, will help equip Ireland to overcome some of our present economic and ethical difficulties and make us a country which others will want to emulate.”

The only other confirmed candidate for the Fine Gael nomination is MEP Mairead McGuinness, although there has also been speculation about the plans of former PD and European Parliament President Pat Cox, who has applied to join the party.

Spread · 10-06-2011 01:57PM

mikemac wrote: »

Vote Michael D!

The people of Ireland demand poetry with every speech :cool:

But BREVITY is not his forte. I mean, quotes are fine ......... but the whole of The Ancient Mariner just to open up a Poetry Night! The underneath would have been enough

It is the Ancient Mariner, he stoppeth one of three . . .
A devastating ‘Raconteur’ and Travel-Bore was he;
His victim was a Wedding-Guest who listened while he told
A story that went on for hours and never did unfold.
The A.M.’s tale described a trip around Cape Horn and back:
He worked aboard a sailing ship (I think he got the sack);
With nothing but a crossbow-shaft he killed an albatross,
His shipmates did not praise this feat, but were extremely cross;
They hung the bird around his neck (which must have been unpleasant,
For when an albatross gets ‘high’ it’s not like grouse or pheasant).
The Ancient M. went off his head, had sunstroke or D.T.s,
A guilt-complex afflicted him which nothing could appease,
He saw the sun and moon behave most oddly in the sky,
He thought he saw the ship break up and all his shipmates die;
Thirst, heat and cold, dead men and ghosts beset the luckless ship
And every kind of contretemps combined to spoil the trip.
How he got home he can’t recall (on foot? by boat? by carriage?).
The Wedding-Guest who heard all this was stunned and missed the marriage.

tayto lover · 10-06-2011 02:33PM

Biggins wrote: »

...And YOU know this how exactly?

I'd be most interested to hear of your sources for this presumption!

Easy from all aspects of media both home and abroad and from the general public i meet every day. Not very often have i heard a complaint about her something i cannot say for D.N. i'm afraid. I can't even see him getting the nomination now.

wonderfulname · 10-06-2011 02:35PM

montane wrote: »

John Waters has a part 2 article today...

Last weekend, I received an e-mail from a woman, a lesbian, who said that she normally disagrees with me, but not here...
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2011/0610/1224298690294.html

Great now he's pulling out the "a gay liberal agree with me" card, as though that settles everything - at least when the anti gay marriage lot tried that one it was some way relevant. Opinions, opinions, opinions, somebody give me some facts please.

old hippy wrote: »

Yes, Norris is history. The smear campaign has been a roaring success & mainstream, normal folk can breathe a sigh of relief. Once again, curtain twitching, knee jerkery & Chinese whispers can set the agenda. Common sense prevails and all is rosy in the garden etc etc etc

He stumbles on like a rumour of war, huge
Threatening. Neighbours use the subterfuge

Of curtains. He stumbles down our short street
Thankfully passing us. I pause, wait,

Then to breathe relief lean on the sill
And for a second only my blood is still

With atavism.

Who needs Michael D

zuroph wrote: »

The pope stuff is admittedly regrettable, a cheap debating shot. However I dont think it's going to do much damage. The people most likely to take offence are the older generation, and most of them dislike ratzinger too, still all hung up on JP. Benedict compares poorly against JP, if it was JP that Norris has has a go at, he'd be in worse shape.

Oh, he did criticise JP too, wonderfully and rightfully though, and I believe without mention of Nazism .

prinz wrote: »

By who might I ask? Perhaps by people who run in his own circles (academics, LGBT groups, that sort of thing) but the wider population? Eh, no, I'd say the vast majority of people have no clue who he is.

The vast majority of people in Ireland have no clue who the head of states are for most of Europe, never mind those looking to fill their shoes. Ireland is insignificant, the idea that we could expect the laypeople of other states to have a greater knowledge of us than we do of them is ridiculous.

How many people are vying for each party nomination at this stage? Far too many people are expressing interest, who can we see going to the polls?

tayto lover · 10-06-2011 02:38PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Wishful thinking Tayto Lover?

Maybe not. On this poll its about 2 to 1 in favour of Norris. I would estimate that many of the pro Norris people on here are under 40 years old ( i may be wrong ). The older members of the population who don't post on here are the ones who will decide (if he gets nominated). Can't see him getting many votes there ( again could be wrong) but i will go into the bookies and wager a bet anyway. Money where mouth is.

wonderfulname · 10-06-2011 02:42PM

Tayto lover, Norris is winning all polls, not just the boards one, if he doesn't get a nomination it would be defying the will of the people, pretty sickening no?

tayto lover · 10-06-2011 02:56PM

wonderfulname wrote: »

Tayto lover, Norris is winning all polls, not just the boards one, if he doesn't get a nomination it would be defying the will of the people, pretty sickening no?

I have seen opinion polls before which bore no resemblance to the poll on the day of the election. If opinion polls mattered then why bother with elections.
"there's many a slip twixt cup and lip" W. Shakespere.

Biggins · 10-06-2011 03:04PM

tayto lover wrote: »

...Not very often have i heard a complaint about her something i cannot say for D.N. i'm afraid.

Maybe you should look in the politics section, there might be one or two offerings there on her presidency.

tayto lover wrote: »

...I can't even see him getting the nomination now.

Whereas I can. We will have to wait and see.

tayto lover wrote: »

...If opinion polls mattered then why bother with elections.

To make whatever the outcome is, legal and official.

AudreyHepburn · 10-06-2011 03:10PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Maybe not. On this poll its about 2 to 1 in favour of Norris. I would estimate that many of the pro Norris people on here are under 40 years old ( i may be wrong ). The older members of the population who don't post on here are the ones who will decide (if he gets nominated). Can't see him getting many votes there ( again could be wrong) but i will go into the bookies and wager a bet anyway. Money where mouth is.

Erm....no actually, there are plenty of under 40s who will vote too. Or do their votes not count to you?

tayto lover · 10-06-2011 03:18PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Erm....no actually, there are plenty of under 40s who will vote too. Or do their votes not count to you?

Their votes might not go the way you expect either.
We will have to wait and see.
He will not have it as easy as the polls suggest after missing some great opportunities to keep his mouth shut and not making matters worse.

AudreyHepburn · 10-06-2011 03:24PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Their votes might not go the way you expect either.
We will have to wait and see.
He will not have it as easy as the polls suggest after missing some great opportunities to keep his mouth shut and not making matters worse.

You seem so sure yet a moment ago you said poles don't matter.

Make up your mind.

I'll ask again do you think only the over 40s votes matter?

David Norris for President....would you vote for him?

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