David Norris for President....would you vote for him?

strobe · 09-06-2011 08:10PM

bluecatmorgana wrote: »

where does he stand on abortion does anyone sensible know?

Non committal would best describe his stance on abortion. He does describe himself as "pro life" though, although hasn't qualified the term or how he uses it that I can establish.

http://www.senatordavidnorris.ie/blogger/2008/12/statements-on-report-of-sub-committee.html

I will review a couple of the issues, and then get down to neutrality. First, there is the question of abortion. I am sure this will raise its head again. There was in the past a rather sly manoeuvre whereby the Irish people were out manoeuvred by those who, when it suits them, talk about democracy, and a secret protocol was inserted into a previous treaty.
At this point I am not arguing the merits of abortion, one way or the other. I am just as pro-life as anyone. I resent the colonisation of language that is represented by the takeover of these kinds of phrases. I am very much pro-life and my record will show that. As a tutor in Trinity College approximately one girl per year used come to me, probably because she thought I would not be judgmental. That meant about ten during the ten years I was tutor. I gave them information about non-directive counselling agencies. Nine of them did not have an abortion; one of them did. I think if that information had not been available, they all would have had an abortion. In fact, mine was very much a pro-life stance but it has been misinterpreted.
It is a very complex area. I do not intend to get into it, except to say this. I would very much hope if some such protocol is written in that it does not narrow or seek to narrow the already quite narrow judgments of the Supreme Court. It is important that we do not seek further to constrict. I will leave it at that.

Biggins · 09-06-2011 08:11PM

zuroph wrote: »

quoted wrong section biggins.

Drat. Doh!

Cheers.

Earlier posted corrected. Me going blind.

Paparazzo · 09-06-2011 08:18PM

bluecatmorgana wrote: »

where does he stand on abortion does anyone sensible know?

According to an interview he did in 1597, he said he's for abortion as long as the aborted foetus is given to Norris to eat as he believes it gives him sexual powers.

Biggins · 09-06-2011 08:19PM

Paparazzo wrote: »

According to an interview he did in 1597, he said he's for abortion as long as the aborted foetus is given to Norris to eat as he believes it gives him sexual powers.

LOL How old? :pac:
Looking good for his age!

RachaelVO · 09-06-2011 08:20PM

Paparazzo wrote: »

According to an interview he did in 1597, he said he's for abortion as long as the aborted foetus is given to Norris to eat as he believes it gives him sexual powers.

Taking the p1ss on AH, for shame Paparazzo, for shame! :pac:

Paparazzo · 09-06-2011 08:20PM

Biggins wrote: »

LOL How old? :pac:
Looking good for his age!

sesna will be taking that post for fact in a week!

Biggins · 09-06-2011 08:21PM

Paparazzo wrote: »

sesna will be taking that post for fact in a week!

Tru' da! :pac:

Benny_Cake · 09-06-2011 08:37PM

Paparazzo wrote: »

sesna will be taking that post for fact in a week!

There's every chance the Daily Mail will too!

knotknowbody · 09-06-2011 08:59PM

I would have voted for him until the last few days, don't really care about all the smear stuff, it is obvious he is a decent human and that people are just trying to hurt his campaign.

However i don't feel he conducted himself in a very statesmanlike way over the last few days, he was defending himself a bit too aggressively, almost shouting on some occasions just didn't seem like the type of person who should be a president, however there is nobody else in the race yet that I would vote for either.

tayto lover · 09-06-2011 09:03PM

knotknowbody wrote: »

I would have voted for him until the last few days, don't really care about all the smear stuff, it is obvious he is a decent human and that people are just trying to hurt his campaign.

However i don't feel he conducted himself in a very statesmanlike way over the last few days, he was defending himself a bit too aggressively, almost shouting on some occasions just didn't seem like the type of person who should be a president, however there is nobody else in the race yet that I would vote for either.

Ditto, there's nobody i can vote for either. We need a few new candidates to enter the race.

RachaelVO · 09-06-2011 09:05PM

knotknowbody wrote: »

I would have voted for him until the last few days, don't really care about all the smear stuff, it is obvious he is a decent human and that people are just trying to hurt his campaign.

However i don't feel he conducted himself in a very statesmanlike way over the last few days, he was defending himself a bit too aggressively, almost shouting on some occasions just didn't seem like the type of person who should be a president, however there is nobody else in the race yet that I would vote for either.

Do you not think though, that he has been so aggressively attacked? He has defended himself without mudslinging, that to me just shows how much class he actually has!

Biggins · 09-06-2011 09:10PM

RachaelVO wrote: »

Do you not think though, that he has been so aggressively attacked? He has defended himself without mudslinging, that to me just shows how much class he actually has!

Took the words out of my mouth.
I'm just surprised he's managed to hold back as well as he has done.
A lesser person would have reacted earlier in a way that the rag papers would have loved!

RachaelVO · 09-06-2011 09:24PM

Biggins wrote: »

Took the words out of my mouth.
I'm just surprised he's managed to hold back as well as he has done.
A lesser person would have reacted earlier in a way that the rag papers would have loved!

Ah great minds...:D

I don't know how he's been so restrained! I'm fairly sure I wouldn't of been!

knotknowbody · 09-06-2011 09:33PM

RachaelVO wrote: »

Do you not think though, that he has been so aggressively attacked? He has defended himself without mudslinging, that to me just shows how much class he actually has!

Biggins wrote: »

Took the words out of my mouth.
I'm just surprised he's managed to hold back as well as he has done.
A lesser person would have reacted earlier in a way that the rag papers would have loved!

I agree he defended himself without mudslinging, but he just didn't defend himself with the decorum i would expect from a statesman, he seemed a bit flustered and agitated in his interviews, which he has every right to be, but a president needs to be able to hide that when in public and not get roused so easily.

I'm disappointed as he would have gotten my vote until the last few days, by the way, I am not the only one who feels like this, others have made the same point to me. I feel sorry for him because he does not deserve the muck that was thrown at him, he strikes me as one of the few politicians who is not in it to look after number 1.

Biggins · 09-06-2011 09:39PM

knotknowbody wrote: »

I agree he defended himself without mudslinging, but he just didn't defend himself with the decorum i would expect from a statesman, he seemed a bit flustered and agitated in his interviews, which he has every right to be, but a president needs to be able to hide that when in public and not get roused so easily.

I'm disappointed as he would have gotten my vote until the last few days, by the way, I am not the only one who feels like this, others have made the same point to me. I feel sorry for him because he does not deserve the muck that was thrown at him, he strikes he as one of the few politicians who is not in it to look after number 1.

To be fair, when he is public, he won't be facing an interviewer possibly out to catch him up, under studio conditions.
Given the daft stuff he's had to put up with from some people that have been clearly out to get him for their own private reasons, I have more regard for him - not less.
He has shown he's more human - not just another non-feeling stone faced politician that we all see daily crossing our screens.
Its that passion that is sorely missed from politics today. Its become de-humanised too much. Too many political automatons that make us all just numbers on spreadsheets - not individual humans with individual feelings!
He brings life back into the political arena by reminding us inadvertently that we are are only as good as our inner-failings and being human, will allow us.

He's brought passion where previously there might have been stoicism.

mikemac · 09-06-2011 10:17PM

knotknowbody wrote: »

I agree he defended himself without mudslinging, but he just didn't defend himself with the decorum i would expect from a statesman, he seemed a bit flustered and agitated in his interviews, which he has every right to be, but a president needs to be able to hide that when in public and not get roused so easily.

Politics is dirty and presidential elections can be especially dirty.

You come across back stabbing party members in cut throat selection committees and get heckled and shouted down at local and general elections.

He deals with none of this in academia and the halls of the Seanad.

This whole process will toughen him up. And more attacks will happen before the election is over, he has learned a lot. Learned the hard way I suppose.

Min · 09-06-2011 10:30PM

RachaelVO wrote: »

Do you not think though, that he has been so aggressively attacked? He has defended himself without mudslinging, that to me just shows how much class he actually has!

He has done his mudslinging, now he wants to be elected by the public, not like how one is elected to the Seanad.

He called the Pope a Nazi because like every German youth he was forced to join Hitler Youth.

*David Norris logic - every German of a certain age is a Nazi...

He can't sling mud now as he is fighting for survival in his bid for the presidency.
He is not Presidential material.

wonderfulname · 09-06-2011 10:35PM

You know sometimes when people say words there is meaning beyond the dictionary definition...

I believe Norris was referring to, for the most part, the popes views on certain subjects, which he happens to share with the Nazis.

Craebear · 09-06-2011 10:40PM

At first I wasn't sure but with what the mail published and the comments about the pope, this is without doubt a smear campaign.

So that leaves me with little choice but to vote for him.

Min · 09-06-2011 10:45PM

wonderfulname wrote: »

You know sometimes when people say words there is meaning beyond the dictionary definition...

I believe Norris was referring to, for the most part, the popes views on certain subjects, which he happens to share with the Nazis.

Like how terrible it was was when the Nazi's killed his cousin for having Down Syndrome?
How all life should be protected?
Proper healthcare and education?
Care for those who are on the margins in society?
Treat people with respect?

I would think David Norris has more in common with what he called the Pope.

Min · 09-06-2011 10:47PM

Craebear wrote: »

At first I wasn't sure but with what the mail published and the comments about the pope, this is without doubt a smear campaign.

So that leaves me with little choice but to vote for him.

You haven't seen all the candidates and you are deciding on who to vote for?

Your choice will be for who you feel needs sympathy?

The Left Hand Of God · 09-06-2011 10:50PM

I have decided he is worth voting for.

I like a man who speaks the truth, even though it scares most people.

FR.Ted Crilly · 09-06-2011 10:57PM

hes backed by pedos which probably is about 10% of the Irish vote, hes taking politics and the presidency to a hole new level !
Will i be voting for this kind NO NEVER !

wonderfulname · 09-06-2011 10:59PM

Min wrote: »

Like how terrible it was was when the Nazi's killed his cousin for having Down Syndrome?
How all life should be protected?
Proper healthcare and education?
Care for those who are on the margins in society?
Treat people with respect?

I would think David Norris has more in common with what he called the Pope.

I believe his views on certain people and what little respect he shows them are the issue... did you read the interview/book/article where this is stated or do you just know he called him a Nazi?

Badgermonkey · 09-06-2011 10:59PM

FR.Ted Crilly wrote: »

hes backed by pedos which probably is about 10% of the Irish vote, hes taking politics and the presidency to a hole new level !
Will i be voting for this kind NO NEVER !

You're funny.

Will you be my crazy pal?

Paparazzo · 09-06-2011 10:59PM

FR.Ted Crilly wrote: »

hes backed by pedos which probably is about 10% of the Irish vote, hes taking politics and the presidency to a hole new level !
Will i be voting for this kind NO NEVER !

Surely if you're a priest you'd be voting for paedos?

wonderfulname · 09-06-2011 11:02PM

FR.Ted Crilly wrote: »

hes backed by pedos which probably is about 10% of the Irish vote, hes taking politics and the presidency to a hole new level !
Will i be voting for this kind NO NEVER !

Down with this sort of thing!

zuroph · 09-06-2011 11:03PM

FR.Ted Crilly wrote: »

hes backed by pedos which probably is about 10% of the Irish vote, hes taking politics and the presidency to a hole new level !
Will i be voting for this kind NO NEVER !

I sincerely doubt you actually got Fr. Ted.

Min · 09-06-2011 11:08PM

wonderfulname wrote: »

I believe his views on certain people and what little respect he shows them are the issue... did you read the interview/book/article where this is stated or do you just know he called him a Nazi?

The important bit and it was when John Paul II was Pope "behind him is Ratzinger, who is, in his mindset, a Nazi.”"

We don't need a divisive man who shows hate for president.

Min · 09-06-2011 11:09PM

Paparazzo wrote: »

Surely if you're a priest you'd be voting for paedos?

If you are David Norris you would be voting for Greek paedophiles.

David Norris for President....would you vote for him?

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