WWDC Keynote on Monday (June 6th) - Predictions/Discussion

thecommander · 07-06-2011 10:20AM

opinion guy wrote: »

i have a restore disc a leopard disc. And I have a snow leopard disc. So if I wanted to do a restore I would have to install leopard, then upgrade to snow leop[ard, then upgrade to lion (presumably), then do a system restore. Thats all pretty painful

No. You can restore/fresh install from SL disc. No need to put in the Leopard one. Done it plenty of times.

Simon201 · 07-06-2011 01:04PM

I'd very surprised if there wasn't an option to buy the lion upgrade on a disk where downloading that size of a file isn't an option for people, for a probably higher price tho!

silvine · 07-06-2011 01:37PM

Pleased to see Lion will be cheap.
Airdrop looks like a worthy competitor for Dropbox
iOS 5 looks good too although I don't know if want to go back to having an unjailbroken device.

I like the sound of iTunes Match. I have 80G of music, very little of which is from the iTunes store. Will people here use it?

Daysha · 07-06-2011 02:26PM

Looks like it's going to be even cheaper than we expected, only €23.99!

http://www.apple.com/ie/macosx/

Sad Professor · 07-06-2011 04:44PM

That's a fantastic price, especially when you consider all previous upgrades prior to SL cost €100+.

thecommander · 07-06-2011 05:35PM

Looks like iTunes Match is only in the US for the moment.

Zapp Brannigan · 07-06-2011 07:50PM

thecommander wrote: »

Looks like iTunes Match is only in the US for the moment.

Boo!

fasty · 07-06-2011 08:14PM

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/07/how-to-burn-a-lion-boot-disc/

Might be useful. You still need Snow Leopard though!

milltown · 07-06-2011 08:24PM

Couple of vaguely related hardware questions if ye don't mind:

I've not looked too closely yet, but Lion would appear to have a lot of touchy feely stuff in it's arsenal. I may be in the minority here but I find the wireless mouse with my iMac to be an ergonomic disaster. It's much too small for my meathooks, meaning that using swipe gestures is pretty uncomfortable. Is the magic trackpad a worthwhile upgrade/add-on would you think? Or do many macbook users find themselves reverting to using a mouse anyway?

Step 1 if/when I upgrade will be backing up my current stuff. I have a 500gb external drive that would probably do the trick but I have been thinking for a while about getting an airport express base station to cut down on wires and to improve on the 802.11g router I'm using at the moment. Am I right in thinking though, that a 1TB time capsule is basically an airport extreme with a hard drive in it? If so, the price differential ain't too bad. And I'm really getting used to the seamless way Apple stuff integrates, so it could tempt me.

Any opinions?

Sad Professor · 07-06-2011 09:12PM

milltown wrote: »

I've not looked too closely yet, but Lion would appear to have a lot of touchy feely stuff in it's arsenal. I may be in the minority here but I find the wireless mouse with my iMac to be an ergonomic disaster. It's much too small for my meathooks, meaning that using swipe gestures is pretty uncomfortable. Is the magic trackpad a worthwhile upgrade/add-on would you think? Or do many macbook users find themselves reverting to using a mouse anyway?

I haven't used the Magic Trackpad myself, but I do find the multi-touch trackpad on my Macbook to be excellent. However, it's no replacement for a mouse imo. Dragging and dropping is a lot easier with a mouse.

Am I right in thinking though, that a 1TB time capsule is basically an airport extreme with a hard drive in it?

Yup. But you can connect an external drive to the regular AEBS and use it with Time Machine as well. The main advantage of a Time Capsule is that it's all-in-one. There's seems to be a lot of reliability problems with the Time Capsule which (along with the price) would turn me off it personally.

conor.hogan.2 · 07-06-2011 09:59PM

I dont see why you would turn off icloud - you use email and other web services?

Looking at roundup videos, Lion is very slightly growing on me. There are a few things that I could always change with commands or tweaks that will come out to revert some features back.

No 24 euro no chance, I wish apple didnt charge for software when their hardware costs so much.

I only use the trackpad on the macbook pro, never used the magic anything and dont want to use a mouse.

Simon201 · 07-06-2011 10:08PM

Daysha wrote: »

Looks like it's going to be even cheaper than we expected, only €23.99!

http://www.apple.com/ie/macosx/

wow! that certainly is great. I was waiting for the $/€ parity thing that has often been commonplace!

Also looks like the first version macbooks are out the boat on this one.....

talla · 08-06-2011 12:12AM

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

No 24 euro no chance, I wish apple didnt charge for software when their hardware costs so much.

Fair enough their hardware is expensive but seriously, you've got to be kidding me. Its a brand new operating system. €24 that can be installed on up to 5 computers if I remember correctly.

How much would the equivalent upgrade cost for windows(5 times the cost for a similar upgrade path for 3 machines)? for Adobe creative suite, Microsoft office etc. Look at the price of Iphoto, Imovie, any shareware program.

Sad Professor · 08-06-2011 12:52AM

Yeah, €24 is nothing.

Cost of previous OS X upgrades that I've had to fork out for:

10.0 - I can't remember, but it was definitely €130+
10.1 - "free" but I think I had to pay for postage from Apple (it was CD only)
10.2 - €169 (seriously)
10.3 - €129
10.4 - €129
10.5 - €129
10.6 - €29 (I actually got this for €9 via the up-to-date program)

I also remember getting Mac OS 8. My mother paid for it so I can't remember exactly how much it cost, but it was at least 100 punts.

opinion guy · 08-06-2011 01:48AM

milltown wrote: »

Couple of vaguely related hardware questions if ye don't mind:

I've not looked too closely yet, but Lion would appear to have a lot of touchy feely stuff in it's arsenal. I may be in the minority here but I find the wireless mouse with my iMac to be an ergonomic disaster. It's much too small for my meathooks, meaning that using swipe gestures is pretty uncomfortable. Is the magic trackpad a worthwhile upgrade/add-on would you think? Or do many macbook users find themselves reverting to using a mouse anyway?

I've got a magic trackpad for when I use my macbookpro on a monitor which I do rarely. Have to say - its is freaking awesome. Much bigger than the built in trackpad - which I have to say I find far superior to a mouse. Haven't used a mouse in years - I actually gave away my external mouse!!

Deep Thought · 08-06-2011 11:27AM

I would be intrested to see how iCloud works

They are giving you 5GB and say is sufficient, even though most devices are sold with 16GB, so most people will have at least 16GB on files be that movies, music , photos etc....

So how does 16GB of files get transformed into 5GB data slot

I see that iCloud only stoes your purchased stuff and not your own ripped stuff..thus the €25 for iTunes Match which will probably give you the extra GB

DT

fasty · 08-06-2011 11:46AM

Music in iTunes doesn't get synced, so it doesn't count towards your 5GB of storage. It's just available from all devices you enter your iCloud details on to download from the iTunes store as you see fit.

Sad Professor · 08-06-2011 11:55AM

Photos aren't counted in the 5GB either. See the Photo Stream feature. It doesn't permanently store the files in the cloud though, it just holds on to them long enough to sync with all your devices by keeping a rolling collection of your last 1000 photos for 30 days.

So as far as I can see, Apple won't be offering any extra gigs for storing documents, email, etc. 5GB is all you get. Music and (eventually) movies are covered by other features. iTunes in the Cloud covers all purchased music for free and iTunes Match covers your non-iTunes music. Irish users will have to wait for both of these, of course.

Creamy Goodness · 08-06-2011 01:49PM

there's a menu item in iOS 5 that allows you to buy more storage, it's not enabled at the moment though.

Sad Professor · 08-06-2011 02:53PM

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

there's a menu item in iOS 5 that allows you to buy more storage, it's not enabled at the moment though.

Really? That's cool. There was no mention of in the keynote or on the website so I assumed we would be stuck with 5GB.

NUTZZ · 08-06-2011 04:02PM

Haven't upgraded to iTunes 10.3 yet in case there were any early issues, anyone come across any problems since installing it?

grizzly · 08-06-2011 04:02PM

opinion guy wrote: »

I've got a magic trackpad for when I use my macbookpro on a monitor which I do rarely. Have to say - its is freaking awesome. Much bigger than the built in trackpad - which I have to say I find far superior to a mouse. Haven't used a mouse in years - I actually gave away my external mouse!!

I was all for using the trackpad with my iMac at work. I figured I'd spend a day getting the feel for it, I'm used to using one on a macbook, but the use is much different – browsing V Adobe apps. Sad to say I found it horrible (drag selecting is a pain).

Sad Professor · 08-06-2011 04:56PM

Free upgrade to Lion for anyone who buys a new Mac between now and release.

The Mac OS X Lion Up-To-Date upgrade is available at no additional charge via the Mac App Store to all customers who purchased a qualifying new Mac system from Apple or an Apple Authorised Reseller on or after 6 June 2011. Users must request their Up-To-Date upgrade within 30 days of purchase of their Mac computer. Customers who purchase a qualifying Mac between 6 June 2011 and the date when Lion is available in the Mac App Store will have 30 days from Lion’s official release date to make a request.

http://www.apple.com/ie/pr/library/2011/06/06lion.html

54kroc · 08-06-2011 09:37PM

I keep my music backed up on two hard drives just in case one fails, I'm wondering If I get the itunes match service does that mean I won't have to keep a back up as it's all online?
What if I lost all my music, would you be able to download it all again for free from itunes?

Sean Quagmire · 08-06-2011 09:49PM

Sad Professor wrote: »

Free upgrade to Lion for anyone who buys a new Mac between now and release.

http://www.apple.com/ie/pr/library/2011/06/06lion.html

Typical, only got mine about 4 weeks ago!

Anyways, not too sure if I will upgrade. the price is nice though.. I'll wait to see some proper reviews first

Creamy Goodness · 08-06-2011 09:54PM

Sad Professor wrote: »

Really? That's cool. There was no mention of in the keynote or on the website so I assumed we would be stuck with 5GB.

just to prove in case ya don't believe me :pac:

Sad Professor · 08-06-2011 10:18PM

cork45 wrote: »

I keep my music backed up on two hard drives just in case one fails, I'm wondering If I get the itunes match service does that mean I won't have to keep a back up as it's all online?
What if I lost all my music, would you be able to download it all again for free from itunes?

I assume so. iTunes Match claims to store your entire iTunes library on the cloud, either iTunes copies or uploaded from your own library. So in the case of a hard drive failure it would just be a matter re-syncing. This would be very handy indeed.

But keep in mind that we may be waiting a while before iTunes Match is available here.

conor.hogan.2 · 12-06-2011 06:51PM

You can boot straight into safari.

How was this not a major part of the announcement. I will actually buy this now, I know its not quite a chrome os equivalent but still handy.

opinion guy · 12-06-2011 07:03PM

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

You can boot straight into safari.

How was this not a major part of the announcement. I will actually buy this now, I know its not quite a chrome os equivalent but still handy.

Why would someone want to do this ?
(Not having a go....I just don't get it)

conor.hogan.2 · 12-06-2011 10:23PM

Its faster and there are times all I need can be done in a browser.

WWDC Keynote on Monday (June 6th) - Predictions/Discussion

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