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Dublin Cyclists

  • 06-06-2011 02:01PM
    #1
    Arcus Arrow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 296 ✭✭


    The government aims to have 160,000 people cycling to work daily by 2020. In the meantime there appears to be a complete absence of any form of regulation or attempt to impose any sort of order.

    The question is this: is the situation acting as a hothouse for more and more reckless behaviour that will eventually result in deaths and injuries?

    Dublin Cyclists Wild Frontier.


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  • #2
    Dermot Illogical
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭Dermot Illogical


    The situation is unsustainable. It's leading to a flood of poorly-edited youtube videos. If something isn't done, the interwebs will die!


  • #3
    Hail 2 Da Thief
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭Hail 2 Da Thief


    (Movie trailer voice) - The makers of 'Lads we're destroying the city' brings you 'Dublin Cyclist's Wild Frontier'.


  • #4
    manwithaplan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,201 ✭✭✭manwithaplan


    Arcus Arrow wrote: »
    The government aims to have 160,000 people cycling to work daily by 2020.

    A worthy objective.
    Arcus Arrow wrote: »
    a complete absence of any form of regulation or attempt to impose any sort of order.

    A good way to achieve that objective!
    Arcus Arrow wrote: »
    The question is this: is the situation acting as a hothouse for more and more reckless behaviour that will eventually result in deaths and injuries?

    No.


  • #5
    manwithaplan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,201 ✭✭✭manwithaplan


    Actually I spot a flaw in the Government's plan. Will there be 160,000 in work in 2020?


  • #6
    Dermot Illogical
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭Dermot Illogical


    manwithaplan wrote: »
    Actually I spot a flaw in the Government's plan. Will there be 160,000 in work in 2020?

    It's covered. They're bringing in a "Cycle to look for work" scheme.


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  • #7
    coolbeans
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,174 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    There are lots of bad cyclists the same as there are loads of bad motorists. What's your point exactly? As a cyclist who takes care to cycle legally, where safe to do so, it's irritating to listen to lazy generalisations such as the ones demonstrated in the OP. I could go out with a camera and take pics of motorists and other road users breaking the law within seconds of leaving the house but I can't be bothered. That said, there is a market for cycle training in Ireland due to the large recent uptake and to curb the often infuriatingly incompetent cycling I see regularly.


  • #8
    dited
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 257 ✭✭dited


    Arcus Arrow wrote: »
    Dublin Cyclists Wild Frontier

    You shot this, right? May I ask why? Run out of chipped paint to give out about?


  • #9
    Arcus Arrow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 296 ✭✭Arcus Arrow


    coolbeans wrote: »
    There are lots of bad cyclists the same as there are loads of bad motorists. What's your point exactly? As a cyclist who takes care to cycle legally, where safe to do so, it's irritating to listen to lazy generalisations such as the ones demonstrated in the OP. I could go out with a camera and take pics of motorists and other road users breaking the law within seconds of leaving the house but I can't be bothered. That said, there is a market for cycle training in Ireland due to the large recent uptake and to curb the often infuriatingly incompetent cycling I see regularly.

    Can you point out what you term a "lazy generalisation" in the OP?

    At any red light following amber, on any day, at any time in Dublin, motorists can been seen rushing the light to make it through the junction. That's not a lazy generalisation no more than the OP. Motorists are another part of the same problem.

    The city is just not being run by those who are paid to do the job.

    The roadway is (in theory at least) a heavily regulated surface and is more dangerous the less the user knows about those regulations. Anyone can get on a bike and take to the road without knowing any of the rules whatsoever. Cycling the wrong way into traffic is reckless and dangerous.


  • #10
    xz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭xz


    Why pick on JUST cyclists, why not show that you are being objective and show us the film about Drivers bad habits, and the thousands of jaywalking incidents that occur every day in Dublin, better still, combine all of this into ONE film and Call it Dublin IS a Wild Frontier.

    6 of your 16 videos on youtube, are cycling related, and none of them in a good light, so not just chipped paint is your worry, obviously a chip on your shoulder with cyclists


  • #11
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,504 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    OP, can you please confirm if you have any association with whoever posted those youtube videos

    Thanks

    Beasty


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  • #12
    studiorat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    From the same you-tube user : http://www.youtube.com/user/FEXRO#p/a/u/0/Aeos7H8xLdQ
    In Dublin cyclists lock bikes to any available object regardless of any other consideration. This restricts street cleaning, damages street furniture, endangers pedestrians including the visually impaired and costs large amounts of taxpayers money.

    WTF? does this asshole have anything better to do?


  • #13
    Eamonnator
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Eamonnator


    Music is nice


  • #14
    kumate_champ07
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    If the number of cyclists increases then logically the number of accidents will increase too.

    OT. Did you know that 43% of car accidents happen at weekends, *but weekends(fri,sat,sun) make up 42.8% of a 7day week. Heard the 43% mentioned on the radio as part of a bank holdiday driver safety segment, why did they bother with a meaningless statistic


  • #15
    Captain Havoc
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 11,393 Mod ✭✭✭✭Captain Havoc


    I have to say, I'm convinced. I'm off to the landfill to dump my bikes. Thanks OP for enlightening us.

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  • #16
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    You're not fit to go by the name of havoc Captain ! I'm glad to be one of the many bandit Dublin cyclists, I can pretend to be an indian on a raiding party every time I cycle into the city, ain't no stinking sheriff going to stop me.


  • #17
    kona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭kona


    Arcus Arrow wrote: »
    The government aims to have 160,000 people cycling to work daily by 2020. In the meantime there appears to be a complete absence of any form of regulation or attempt to impose any sort of order.

    The question is this: is the situation acting as a hothouse for more and more reckless behaviour that will eventually result in deaths and injuries?

    Dublin Cyclists Wild Frontier.
    Fúck off


  • #18
    petethedrummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    Arcus Arrow wrote: »
    The question is this: is the situation acting as a hothouse for more and more reckless behaviour that will eventually result in deaths and injuries?
    What are the current death and injury rates?


  • #19
    unionman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭unionman


    Is nobody worried about the outbreak of large red and White facial spots in this video? I have a zit on my nose and I'm completely freaked out now. Is this an epidemic? Are bean sprouts involved?

    WILL NOBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?

    Or will whoever made this charmless little film get some perspective?


  • #20
    petethedrummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    6a00d8341c69dc53ef011570dde058970b-pi


  • #21
    irishmotorist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,268 ✭✭✭irishmotorist


    Arcus Arrow wrote: »
    The government aims to have 160,000 people cycling to work daily by 2020. In the meantime there appears to be a complete absence of any form of regulation or attempt to impose any sort of order.

    The question is this: is the situation acting as a hothouse for more and more reckless behaviour that will eventually result in deaths and injuries?

    Dublin Cyclists Wild Frontier.

    The Gardaí are meant to impose order and adherence to road laws. If a cyclist is going the wrong way up a one way street or breaking a red light, they should be fined....or whatever the punishment is. As a cyclist stopped at red lights, it does frustrate me that those sailing past me are contributing to me having a bad name.

    To answer your question, I would imagine that it will result in less deaths but I don't know about injuries. If there is to be an increase to 160000 people cycling to work every day, then I'd imagine there will be a lot less cars on the road. IMO a cyclist colliding with another cyclist is less likely to cause death than if there was a car involved.

    FWIW OP, posting up a load of pictures as proof of cyclists behaving badly comes across as petty - did the camera stop working when you saw people cycling in a law abiding manner, helping their own fitness, wellbeing and taking a few cars off the road?


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  • #22
    ROK ON
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,831 ✭✭✭ROK ON


    petethedrummer wrote: »
    6a00d8341c69dc53ef011570dde058970b-pi

    Very difficult to infer which way the causation runs from that graph. Maybe the declining accidents is spuuring more people to get on the bike.

    Having spent a lifetime pouring over stats I get slightly peeved when folks throw out graphs and stats etc.

    Maybe there are missing explanatory variables that a/c for the trends (declining car numbers?, better roads? increased enforcement of road traffic legislation etc etc etc).

    Maybe you are some kind of statistical cowboy raiding the far reaches of causation studies. If that be so, then I for one plan to make a video to demonstrate your fallibility. Furthermore, I will post it on the internet. Now there.


  • #23
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Boxxy-trolling.jpg

    This isn't a venue for hobby horse rants about cyclists. Go spam your YouTube videos somewhere else.


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