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Is David Norris Toast?

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  • #452
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    Mr. Loverman wrote: »
    It is absolutely obvious he was not condoning child abuse.

    This reeks of "WE TOLD YOU THE GAYS ARE EVIL".

    well, he came out in defence of O Searcaigh who enjoys a bit of sex with minors.


  • #453
    Boulevardier
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭Boulevardier


    There is no evidence that O Searchaigh enjoys sex with minors. His sex activities in Nepal wwas with 16-year olds, who are past the age of consent.


  • #454
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Boulevardier wrote: »
    There is no evidence that O Searchaigh enjoys sex with minors. His sex activities in Nepal wwas with 16-year olds, who are past the age of consent.


    The age of consent in Nepal, perhaps, which was why he was there.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/boys-were-damaged-by-sex-trysts-with-poet-1286378.html

    Be they boys or girls, the systematic introduction to sex of a number of 16-year olds by a 50-year old is not something that I would defend.


  • #455
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,508 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Abitthick wrote: »
    If Norris Criteria was used in the residential redress board institute then it's possible that 80% of the cases would have been dismissed
    what criteria?


  • #456
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Godge wrote: »
    The age of consent in Nepal, perhaps, which was why he was there.

    "Gay Man Does Gay Legal Things Gay Shocker"


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  • #457
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    "Gay Man Does Gay Legal Things Gay Shocker"

    its also legal for 60 year old men to have sex with very young girls in Thailand, but morally questionable.
    if any politician were to come out and defend this kind of sex tourism they would come in for criticism, yet Norris disliked the media 'witchhunt' against the poet.


    O Searcaigh tried to defend his actions by stating that he financed their education. He gave one of them a bike. according to his thinking rich Westerners should be allowed to do what they please.

    Norris seems to hold a candle for the ancient Greeks, yet their values do not necessarily fit in with ours. What we regard as child abuse would not have been regarded as such in their society.


  • #458
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,508 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    As Mary Mcaleese has proved, the president needs to keep their mouth shut and keep opinions to themselves. Norris now needs to prove he is capable of this.


  • #459
    Duffy the Vampire Slayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,384 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    As Mary Mcaleese has proved, the president needs to keep their mouth shut and keep opinions to themselves. Norris now needs to prove he is capable of this.

    Which is the problem with our presidency, it encourages bland useless candidates.


  • #460
    Boulevardier
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭Boulevardier


    O Searchaigh's acrions are not the same as having sex wit young girls. He had sex with post-pubescent youths. I see nothing particularly wrong with that.


  • #461
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    As Mary Mcaleese has proved, the president needs to keep their mouth shut and keep opinions to themselves. Norris now needs to prove he is capable of this.

    in other words be diplomatic and professional. If the pope were to come to Ireland and Norris were president would he receive him or shun him and have a hissy fit? Would Norris represent the people of this country of just himself and a few chosen causes?
    O Searcaigh as a writer can afford to be strangely eccentric and get away with it, but Norris is and would be a public representative. As the poster above pointed out McAleese had to learn this the hard way and had to leave personal feelings against the protestants who burnt her house in Belfast to one side.

    I have heard Norris speak on a number of occasions, sometimes he spoke well, sometimes he was all over the place and nobody seemed to know what he was on about. Age does not necessarily come before age.


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  • #462
    spikeprint
    Closed Accounts Posts: 114 ✭✭spikeprint


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    As Mary Mcaleese has proved, the president needs to keep their mouth shut and keep opinions to themselves. Norris now needs to prove he is capable of this.

    What? They should just shut up? Like Mary Robinson didn't do? She brought to light many issues that she had an opinion on. That's the daftest statement I've read all day.


  • #463
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »
    Which is the problem with our presidency, it encourages bland useless candidates.

    the McAleese couple did a lot for the peace process. Martin has very useful contacts. Was Mary Robinson useless? Would Micheal D be useless? (I know he is a bogger, but quite well spoken. )


  • #464
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    spikeprint wrote: »
    What? They should just shut up? Like Mary Robinson didn't do? She brought to light many issues that she had an opinion on. That's the daftest statement I've read all day.

    Mary Robinson helped drag us screaming and kicking into the modern world. Not everybody made it beyond the screaming and kicking but I'm thankful we had her as President.

    I can't quite remember, was her sexuality the subject of endless rumour and conjecture?


  • #465
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    old hippy wrote: »
    Mary Robinson helped drag us screaming and kicking into the modern world. Not everybody made it beyond the screaming and kicking but I'm thankful we had her as President.

    I can't quite remember, was her sexuality the subject of endless rumour and conjecture?

    I think the only one to mock her sexuality was David McSavage.
    Yes indeed Robinson modernised our country and did more for us than The Late Late Show.
    she did not hang around very long though did she? she did not even fulfill her full term of office. but fair play to her, she tried to drag the UN kicking and screaming into the modern world and she she was dismissed.


  • #466
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Fuinseog wrote: »
    If the pope were to come to Ireland and Norris were president would he receive him or shun him and have a hissy fit?

    http://joejacksonjournalist.com/2010...son-interview/

    If you were reading the linked material in this thread, you would already have read Norris's answer to this question (page 1 link):

    the last time David and I did an interview, nine years ago, he admitted that he couldn’t see the Catholic Church accepting gay marriages “at the moment” because “the Vatican is very homophobic, particularly Cardinal Ratzinger.” The latter has since become Pope so does Norris, in his new role as would-be President; now think it would be inappropriate to repeat those claims?
    “Yes” he says categorically. “And as President it would be quite wrong for me, as a Head of State, to criticize another Head of State. As a President, you are a meant to be a unifying force, not divisive force. If I said anything like that, it would start dividing people and start rows all over the country. That was fine, when I was a backbencher, I took no prisoners, Joe, but now I’m moving on!”


  • #467
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Fuinseog wrote: »
    in other words be diplomatic and professional. If the pope were to come to Ireland and Norris were president would he receive him or shun him and have a hissy fit?

    :rolleyes: Not to stereotype or anything


  • #468
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Boulevardier wrote: »
    O Searchaigh's acrions are not the same as having sex wit young girls. He had sex with post-pubescent youths. I see nothing particularly wrong with that.


    50+ plus year old O'Searchaigh going to Nepal to have sex with several 16 year-old boys which is legal there is the same as any 50-year old businessman going to Thailand to have sex with several 16-year old girls which is legal there. No difference. If you don't have a problem with either of those, then you are being consistent. I have a problem with both of those so I am being consistent.

    Many young girls nowadays get their first period at 10 and have developed breasts. That means they are post-pubescent youths, is it ok for old men to have sex with them as your post suggests?

    The point of equality (which I support) is that you cannot have one law for the gay community and one law for the straight community when it comes to the age of consent.


  • #469
    later12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭later12


    Boulevardier wrote: »
    O Searchaigh's acrions are not the same as having sex wit young girls. He had sex with post-pubescent youths. I see nothing particularly wrong with that.
    You are aware that this implies a sort of dismissal of 14 year old boys who engaged in (what they might at the time have considered to have been) consensual sex with priests, as per the findings of the CICA? (Laffoy-Ryan)


  • #470
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,060 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Boulevardier wrote: »
    O Searchaigh's acrions are not the same as having sex wit young girls. He had sex with post-pubescent youths. I see nothing particularly wrong with that.

    Then you must be seriously sick. Thats a disgusting post.


  • #471
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    Fuinseog wrote: »
    I think the only one to mock her sexuality was David McSavage.
    Yes indeed Robinson modernised our country and did more for us than The Late Late Show.
    she did not hang around very long though did she? she did not even fulfill her full term of office. but fair play to her, she tried to drag the UN kicking and screaming into the modern world and she she was dismissed.

    What exactly did she achieve in office? Apart of course from being the second only President to resign (because she wanted a plum job at the UN)?


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  • #472
    spikeprint
    Closed Accounts Posts: 114 ✭✭spikeprint


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    What exactly did she achieve in office? Apart of course from being the second only President to resign (because she wanted a plum job at the UN)?

    When she nearly cried on TV about the crisis in Africa, many people around the world were surprised to see that level of emotion in a president. It was a good way to highlight the issue. She was a marvelous woman that was a great representative for this country on an international stage. Before she became president she did an awful lot for the women of this country.

    She left to join the UN because she believed she could do more good there, and actually change peoples lives. She got lost in the bureaucracy there and was left powerless in the corridors of power. Shame really. Your fairly ignorant of what she did, I suggest you read up about her. A real Irish hero right there.


  • #473
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    What exactly did she achieve in office? Apart of course from being the second only President to resign (because she wanted a plum job at the UN)?

    I was being slightly sarcastic. She hardly created a revolution and attacked the constitution she was supposed to defend, but all in all not a bad president.


  • #474
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    spikeprint wrote: »
    When she nearly cried on TV about the crisis in Africa, many people around the world were surprised to see that level of emotion in a president. It was a good way to highlight the issue. She was a marvelous woman that was a great representative for this country on an international stage. Before she became president she did an awful lot for the women of this country.

    She left to join the UN because she believed she could do more good there, and actually change peoples lives. She got lost in the bureaucracy there and was left powerless in the corridors of power. Shame really. Your fairly ignorant of what she did, I suggest you read up about her. A real Irish hero right there.

    it depends on what he reads. Her authorised heroic biography will have have a different view to that of her unofficial biography. were women suppressed before the advent of Robinson? were they all compelled to stay at home and look after the kids. If she did so much for mna na hEireann how come there are so few of them in politics?


  • #475
    spikeprint
    Closed Accounts Posts: 114 ✭✭spikeprint


    Fuinseog wrote: »
    it depends on what he reads. Her authorised heroic biography will have have a different view to that of her unofficial biography. were women suppressed before the advent of Robinson? were they all compelled to stay at home and look after the kids. If she did so much for mna na hEireann how come there are so few of them in politics?

    Yup, got it in one. They were suppressed. They still are, only not as much, by a long way. Now women are supposed to go to work and mind the kids, if E-Mobile and Benecol adverts are to be believed. As for women in politics, maybe they have more sense.


  • #476
    Duffy the Vampire Slayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,384 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    I just wish Mary Robinson actually spoke like she was from Ballina. Now that would be hilarious.


  • #477
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Out of curiosity and not wishing to derail but are there any Nationalist politicians who are openly gay?

    From what I recall plenty of Nationalists got quite upset over allegations with Casement and (I think) Pearse's leanings? Lots of talk about "west brit" smears and so on?

    Personally, when I vote - the candidates sexuality doesn't come into play. It's what they can do and how they can successfuly represent us that is the most important...


  • #478
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    old hippy wrote: »
    Out of curiosity and not wishing to derail but are there any Nationalist politicians who are openly gay?

    From what I recall plenty of Nationalists got quite upset over allegations with Casement and (I think) Pearse's leanings? Lots of talk about "west brit" smears and so on?
    ...

    Nod idea as to "nationalists". As regards republicans - Can't think of any openly gay SF offhand, but this is policy.
    http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/Policies_LGB.pdf

    Anyone wishing to associate themselves with homophobic policies, sectarianism or racism would be best advised to look elsewhere for a party that reflects their views.


  • #479
    later12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭later12


    old hippy wrote: »
    Out of curiosity and not wishing to derail but are there any Nationalist politicians who are openly gay?
    Whatever you think about Sinn Fein, they have been very forthright and positive on the issue of gay marriage for years. It is common knowledge and I don't think anybody could credibly deny that.


  • #480
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    later10 wrote: »
    Whatever you think about Sinn Fein, they have been very forthright and positive on the issue of gay marriage for years. It is common knowledge and I don't think anybody could credibly deny that.

    I don't doubt it. In many ways I think the current smear campaign has its roots in traditional fear/ignorance, rather than any particular party. I hope.


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  • #481
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    old hippy wrote: »
    I don't doubt it. In many ways I think the current smear campaign has its roots in traditional fear/ignorance, rather than any particular party. I hope.

    Theres an element of that. With regards HLB specifically, I think she just doesn't like him - a personal grudge. Certainly theres been no links established with any party, or parties, ranged against norris so far. With Lenihan, the lad who came up with the tape was associated with FG.


    As to Norris - I've misgivings over the whole commonwealth thing meself, but given the good work that man has done, particularily in regard to the Palestinian people and gay rights I wouldn't hold that against him and begrudge him the office.


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