TUF 14:Bisping V Mayhem

Tito Ortiz · 27-05-2011 09:10PM #1

Mayhem is gonna run through him !!

http://mmajunkie.com/news/23764/report-the-ultimate-fighter-14-coaches-michael-bisping-and-mayhem-miller.mma

MrStuffins · 27-05-2011 09:46PM

Wait, hold on, what does this mean for Miller v Aaron Simpson?

I have to say, I think Bisping v Sonnen would've been incredible! Mayhem is awesome and is always great TV, but the genuine anomosity between Bisping and Sonnen would've been TV Gold!

Professey Chin · 27-05-2011 09:54PM

Helwani said the Mayhem/Simpson fight is off now

DrPhilG · 28-05-2011 01:56AM

Mayhem is going to get decisioned. Just like every BJJ black belt the UFC hands to Bisping to out-jab.

28-05-2011 10:33AM

Interesting, they'd want to do a complete overhaul of the show first though. Something like Bellator where they take some current UFC fighters in a stacked division such as Lightweight and put em all in a house to fight for a title shot. That would be awesome. Unrealistic but awesome.

The quality of the fighters coming out of TUF isn't as good as it used to be. Feather/Bantam might be the exception because there haven't been any previous UF's at those divisions but Welterweight/Lightweight/Middleweight are all played out nowadays, the prospects don't seem to be able to live up to standards once they get into TUF.

Look at this season, the only people I could see in the UFC's Welter division would be Ramsey and Tony but Ramsey's last fight was at Lightweight so there's a good chance he'll drop division after the show. Tony could be a good prospect but it'd be 2-3 years before he can even think of challenging the Welterweight elite, or even the mid level guys.

SDTimeout · 28-05-2011 11:36AM

The UFC tried something like that before i think, may have been season 2. Would like to see similar myself.

ollieo · 28-05-2011 01:29PM

SDTimeout wrote: »

The UFC tried something like that before i think, may have been season 2. Would like to see similar myself.

I think it was season 4 when Matt Serra won and got to fight GSP

El Guapo! · 28-05-2011 01:39PM

I agree the show does need an overhaul. It might not take all that much to bring it back to what it was.
Maybe they should do an international one and have it held somewhere in Europe to bring in some more international talent.
It only takes some small change to mix it up a bit. One thing is for sure, they need to bring back fighting to get into the house. It was such a let down this season the way they didn't have to fight for a spot in the house.

Xlami · 28-05-2011 02:55PM

I agree the standard of fighter has gotten so poor. Hopefully the 135 and 145 might be a bit of an increase but all the other divisions have been over harvested. The first few seasons the winners would be immediate mid level guys in the division. Lately the winners are given easy fights to try increase their reputation and build them up and they eventually loose to a divisional gatekeeper (Exception of Bader).

I'd love to see them go back to the TUF 4 format but I think it wouldn't work because back then the fighters saw it as a great opportunity to get a better training camp. Now most UFC guys are happy in their camp.

MrStuffins · 28-05-2011 03:06PM

Xlami wrote: »

I'd love to see them go back to the TUF 4 format but I think it wouldn't work because back then the fighters saw it as a great opportunity to get a better training camp. Now most UFC guys are happy in their camp.

I think if you put out an email saying "Lads, we know you had brutal UFC records, but how about a second shot? 6 weeks in Las Vegas and if you win the tournie not only are you back in the UFC but we'll give you $100k and an immediate shot at the title"........ yo wouldn't exactly have a shortage of takers!

Xlami · 28-05-2011 06:38PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

I think if you put out an email saying "Lads, we know you had brutal UFC records, but how about a second shot? 6 weeks in Las Vegas and if you win the tournie not only are you back in the UFC but we'll give you $100k and an immediate shot at the title"........ yo wouldn't exactly have a shortage of takers!

Yes I agree sorry I was more talking about current guys on the roster. TUF 4 had some guys still with fights on a contract but yeah I agree I'd love to see that.

Zero-Cool · 28-05-2011 10:50PM

Excellent news, can't wait to see Bisping talk complete shiite only to have Mayhem take the piss out of him at every step making Bisping even more pissed off. I'll be glued to every episode!

30-05-2011 09:55AM

I agree, the entertainment value of Miller and Bisping will be great. Looking forward to this.

fightireland · 30-05-2011 10:48AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I agree, the entertainment value of Miller and Bisping will be great. Looking forward to this.

To be honest I'm not looking forward to the show. I prefer them both as fighters than entertainers.

Bisping is kind of a dork and a bit of an eijit - but a very effective fighter.

Mayhem, is the kind of reason I wouldn't move to the states - but again I fighter I really respect.

I can see Mayhem winning with superior grappling when they do fight but I might avoid the "tired" TUF b)llsh!t and just watch the fight. I've seen enough dyed hair, mohaked duuuuuuudes wrecking houses after three cans to do me for a lifetime!

calex71 · 31-05-2011 01:40AM

I'd buy the fight but not the show, TUF needs to be rethought.

Mind you of it's doing the numbers if it's not broke don't fix it comes into play :mad:

Mellor · 31-05-2011 02:52AM

DrPhilG wrote: »

Mayhem is going to get decisioned. Just like every BJJ black belt the UFC hands to Bisping to out-jab.

What are you talking about?
Of all bispings fights, the only person that describes is Dan Miller?

DrPhilG · 31-05-2011 04:13AM

Mellor wrote: »

What are you talking about?
Of all bispings fights, the only person that describes is Dan Miller?

Fair enough, maybe the outjabbing only applies to Miller, but they do constantly give him people whose strength is BJJ because his sub defence is excellent and it's a good way to build him as a contender.

Sinosic, Schaefer, McCarthy, Kang?

OK Kang is a bit more well rounded but still primarily BJJ.

He out-ran/jabbed Leben, Hamill and almost Silva too but you're right that only Miller fits my original description.

Mellor · 31-05-2011 05:21AM

DrPhilG wrote: »

Fair enough, maybe the outjabbing only applies to Miller, but they do constantly give him people whose strength is BJJ because his sub defence is excellent and it's a good way to build him as a contender.

Sinosic, Schaefer, McCarthy, Kang?

OK Kang is a bit more well rounded but still primarily BJJ.

He out-ran/jabbed Leben, Hamill and almost Silva too but you're right that only Miller fits my original description.

Well Sinosic and Schaefer were his fist two fights after getting a UFC contract. McCarty was made a fool of by Bisping and Kang was also stopped.

I would like to see him finish guys more often. But normally its the other strikers he goes 3 rounds with. Looking forward to Miller fight though, stil wish it had of been Sonnen though

fightireland · 31-05-2011 10:14AM

I heard rumours that Mayhem is about to sign a massive deal with Adidas - that has to be the WTF moment of the week right?

MrStuffins · 31-05-2011 06:47PM

DrPhilG wrote: »

F
Sinosic, Schaefer, McCarthy, Kang?

Kind of agree but not quite. You've almost got it. The craic with the Sinosic, Schaefer and McCarthy fights was that they wanted to put him in there with terribly inferior fighters and to make him look good, whether their styles be BJJ or Balet!

Kang was a decent match up but was about 3 years too late for Kang.

But, seriously, I don't know one person who heard Bisping was fighting McCarthy and didn't say "Ah what the f*ck???".

Mellor · 01-06-2011 03:51AM

But it's pretty standard for all TUF winners to fight one or two nobodys after the show.
Bisping's fights after the show where;
Sinosic, Schaefer, then
Hammill (the LHW gatekeeper)
Rashad (the contender) - a loss
McCarty (the low ranked guy after stepping down)
Chris Leben (the MW gate keeper)
Dan Henderson (the MW contender)

Pretty standard stuff for any TUF winner.
Quick question, of all TUF winners WW or MW and above how many are still fighting at their TUF weight? I'd guess about half go that route

DrPhilG · 01-06-2011 10:20AM

MrStuffins wrote: »

Kind of agree but not quite. You've almost got it. The craic with the Sinosic, Schaefer and McCarthy fights was that they wanted to put him in there with terribly inferior fighters and to make him look good, whether their styles be BJJ or Balet!

That's my point. They will continue to do when they can.

Brian Stann would have made a better opponent, (in terms of current progress in the division) but he'd take Bisping's head off. Bisping reckons he's next in line for a title shot after Okami gets his turn. Does anyone honestly think he deserves it? He hasn't beaten any of the top MW contenders.

I'd bet my house that if he does have to have another fight after Mayhem, then he'll get Maia because that's about the only fight against a title challenger that he can win.

The UFC have long wanted to try a PPV in the UK and if they can push Bisping to a title shot then they'll have their test dummy.

karl bracken · 23-08-2011 04:34AM

TUF Cast list

http://www.mmanews.com/news/89828

Mellor · 23-08-2011 05:18AM

You should probably spoiler that, it was me that posted it and i posted that

he's on the show fighting to get into the house, so are all of those people

karl bracken · 23-08-2011 05:27AM

Adjusted now Mellor forgot about spoilers i will just have to watch and find out!!

Mellor · 23-08-2011 06:31AM

I'm hoping this season lives up to its potential

The Left Hook · 23-08-2011 09:57AM

I m looking forward to it , but i cannot call the fight though.

adamski8 · 07-09-2011 06:24PM

when will this be airing?

El Guapo! · 07-09-2011 07:19PM

adamski8 wrote: »

when will this be airing?

I think it Sept 21st in the states. Not sure about here though, hopefully its the same time though.

El Guapo! · 09-09-2011 08:21PM

I just saw a min ago that Tuf14 will be shown on FX and so will the Bisping v Miller fight. No date yet for the show though.

MrStuffins · 09-09-2011 08:26PM

Dean09 wrote: »

I just saw a min ago that Tuf14 will be shown on FX and so will the Bisping v Miller fight. No date yet for the show though.

Wow!

TUF 14:Bisping V Mayhem

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