Is David Norris Toast?

d'Oracle · 31-05-2011 03:02PM

Judgement Day wrote: »

Forget it. I'm just puzzled as to how you can be contributing to this thread without realising that the Joe Duffy interview was yesterday.

I don't get to contribute because of when I listened to the interview?
Do I even need to listen to the interview to have an opinion on the matter?

Surely anybody who has read up on the matter, must be welcome to enter and contribute to the conversation, free of your condescension?

Judgement Day · 31-05-2011 03:06PM

d'Oracle wrote: »

I don't get to contribute because of when I listened to the interview?
Do I even need to listen to the interview to have an opinion on the matter?

Surely anybody who has read up on the matter, must be welcome to enter and contribute to the conversation, free of your condescension?

All that I was saying is that it seems odd that you have weighed in without even picking up that basic fact about the Joe Duffy interview on the way. I was not being condescending as it's not my place to say who should, or shouldn't, contribute to the thread but it is best to be properly informed before wading in.

later12 · 31-05-2011 03:06PM

tbh wrote: »

So in this case, I think the fact that HLB being a restaurant critic, and not, say, a political analyst or an academic does throw up the possibility that she misinterpreted some of what DN was saying. I'm not saying that is what happened, but her previous body of work is definitely relevant.

As has been pointed out, Helen Lucy Burke has been a political journalist in the past, and has been involved in Irish political analsysis and campaigns.

Furthermore, this is exactly the same sort of argument which was put forward against Jim Duffy in his student interview with Brian Lenihan senior, and which eventually thwarted Brian Lenihans bid for the Presidency.

The fact that Helen Lucy Burke has elsewhere been a food critic is pretty much irrelevant. She does have a political background.

optogirl · 31-05-2011 03:10PM

Judgement Day wrote: »

All that I was saying is that it seems odd that you have weighed in without even picking up that basic fact about the Joe Duffy interview on the way. I was not being condescending as it's not my place to say who should, or shouldn't, contribute to the thread but it is best to be properly informed before wading in.

I think you're being a little harsh here Judgement(al) - who cares when anybody listened to the interview or indeed if they listened to it at all? As long as they are aware of the topic that all the hoo-ha is about & the context etc, which, in fairness , you would get a pretty good idea of simply by reading the thread, then I think the contribution should be welcomed

Wolfe Tone · 31-05-2011 03:11PM

I can't believe I sat through that sh!te, Joe bloody Duffy.

Zubeneschamali · 31-05-2011 03:12PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

She has also written a best-selling novel, and prize-winning short stories.

...over 30 years ago.

Here's a funny one:

The most famous Irish chef is a young man called Conrad Gallagher. When a colleague of mine, Helen Lucy Burke, had the pleasure of dining at his flagship restaurant, Peacock Alley, Gallagher decided to spare her the nuisance of writing it up by issuing a solicitor's letter in which it was alleged that, on the night in question, 'Helen Lucy Burke ... appeared to be intoxicated, made little sense to talk to, in addition to slurring her words, and also made unnecessary disparaging remarks to Mr Gallagher's staff, eg, "Can you wrap this up, I want to feed it to my blind pussy?"'

zuroph · 31-05-2011 03:13PM

I know, we should ring in to joe to complain about joe.

dvpower · 31-05-2011 03:15PM

I don't know if this has been posted, but David Norris was on PK this morning.
http://www.rte.ie/news/av/2011/0531/media-2968388.html#

serfboard · 31-05-2011 03:15PM

tbh wrote: »

unless the interview is being reproduced verbatim, then you have to accept that a certain amount of conscious or unconscious editorialising is being done - you are experiencing the interview through the filter of HLB, and all her opinions, experiences and bias - positive or negative.

Apparently Bobby Fischer towards the end of his life would only do live radio interviews for precisely this reason. The listener hears exactly what is said, there are no visuals to distract and there can be no colour added in by the interviewer.

d'Oracle · 31-05-2011 03:17PM

Judgement Day wrote: »

All that I was saying is that it seems odd that you have weighed in without even picking up that basic fact about the Joe Duffy interview on the way.

This particular basic fact is largely irrelevant to the topic of conversation.

Judgement Day wrote: »

I was not being condescending as it's not my place to say who should, or shouldn't, contribute to the thread but it is best to be properly informed before wading in.

Your "breath in, breath out" comment was condescending.

And if you believe that you have no place to say who should contribute why then are you questioning my contribution based on how up to speed I am on Joe Duffy. (which appears not to have covered the subject today)

later12 · 31-05-2011 03:17PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

...over 30 years ago.

Here's a funny one:

The most famous Irish chef is a young man called Conrad Gallagher. When a colleague of mine, Helen Lucy Burke, had the pleasure of dining at his flagship restaurant, Peacock Alley, Gallagher decided to spare her the nuisance of writing it up by issuing a solicitor's letter in which it was alleged that, on the night in question, 'Helen Lucy Burke ... appeared to be intoxicated, made little sense to talk to, in addition to slurring her words, and also made unnecessary disparaging remarks to Mr Gallagher's staff, eg, "Can you wrap this up, I want to feed it to my blind pussy?"'

Wow. Did you think nobody would bother to read the link... you should have at least quoted the rest of the commentary

....However, Helen Lucy Burke is a woman of rare integrity. Her moral probity is even celebrated in a song by Christy Moore, who refers to her 'mattress-sniffing' days as a hotel critic. Gallagher's decision to issue a solicitor's letter was designed to deflect attention from the contents of the review itself. Rather than issuing a strenuous denial, Burke's editor, John Ryan, decided to publish the solicitor's letter alongside the review - which, by the way, was quite sympathetic - allowing readers to decide who stumbled on the job: who had a leg to stand on, and who was utterly legless. The article was headlined 'The Peacock, the Critic and the Blind Pussy'. It marked, I think, the beginning of the end for Gallagher's empire.

Why did you only quote the first part of that article??

Funny how you accuse HLB or quoting Norris out of context, when you do exactly that with the guardian article.

Judgement Day · 31-05-2011 03:20PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

...over 30 years ago.

Here's a funny one:

The most famous Irish chef is a young man called Conrad Gallagher. When a colleague of mine, Helen Lucy Burke, had the pleasure of dining at his flagship restaurant, Peacock Alley, Gallagher decided to spare her the nuisance of writing it up by issuing a solicitor's letter in which it was alleged that, on the night in question, 'Helen Lucy Burke ... appeared to be intoxicated, made little sense to talk to, in addition to slurring her words, and also made unnecessary disparaging remarks to Mr Gallagher's staff, eg, "Can you wrap this up, I want to feed it to my blind pussy?"'

I hope that you're not being selective here. The Guardian article in full: http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2006/aug/20/foodanddrink.features6

The most famous Irish chef is a young man called Conrad Gallagher. When a colleague of mine, Helen Lucy Burke, had the pleasure of dining at his flagship restaurant, Peacock Alley, Gallagher decided to spare her the nuisance of writing it up by issuing a solicitor's letter in which it was alleged that, on the night in question, 'Helen Lucy Burke ... appeared to be intoxicated, made little sense to talk to, in addition to slurring her words, and also made unnecessary disparaging remarks to Mr Gallagher's staff, eg, "Can you wrap this up, I want to feed it to my blind pussy?"'

Wine often clouds a critic's judgment. There are questions to be asked of all hacks in this regard. Answers, if any, are slurred. However, Helen Lucy Burke is a woman of rare integrity. Her moral probity is even celebrated in a song by Christy Moore, who refers to her 'mattress-sniffing' days as a hotel critic. Gallagher's decision to issue a solicitor's letter was designed to deflect attention from the contents of the review itself. Rather than issuing a strenuous denial, Burke's editor, John Ryan, decided to publish the solicitor's letter alongside the review - which, by the way, was quite sympathetic - allowing readers to decide who stumbled on the job: who had a leg to stand on, and who was utterly legless. The article was headlined 'The Peacock, the Critic and the Blind Pussy'. It marked, I think, the beginning of the end for Gallagher's empire.

Guess I'm getting too old for this - used to be faster at the copying and pasting!

Bannasidhe · 31-05-2011 03:21PM

later10 wrote: »

Wow. Did you think nobody would bother to read the link... you should have at least quoted the rest of the commentary

Why did you only quote the first part of that article??

Funny how you accuse HLB or quoting Norris out of context, when you do exactly that with the guardian article.

Funny how things can be taken out of context eh.:p

Zubeneschamali · 31-05-2011 03:21PM

later10 wrote: »

Why did you only quote the first part of that article??

Because it was funny!

Although the mattress-sniffer line you quote is good, too.

20Cent · 31-05-2011 03:28PM

So anyone know do they have this tape or not?
HLB should put up or shut up.
Norris was v good on Pat Kenny this morning didn't hear duffy.

Judgement Day · 31-05-2011 03:29PM

d'Oracle wrote: »

This particular basic fact is largely irrelevant to the topic of conversation.

Your "breath in, breath out" comment was condescending.

And if you believe that you have no place to say who should contribute why then are you questioning my contribution based on how up to speed I am on Joe Duffy. (which appears not to have covered the subject today)

Okay - I started this thread 17 pages ago - specifically about HLB's appearance on the Joe Duffy Show and I just fail to see how you can have missed that fact. Sorry if I've upset you with my "breathe in, breathe out" remark - perhaps I should have added one of these.

31-05-2011 03:33PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

...over 30 years ago.

Here's a funny one:

The most famous Irish chef is a young man called Conrad Gallagher. When a colleague of mine, Helen Lucy Burke, had the pleasure of dining at his flagship restaurant, Peacock Alley, Gallagher decided to spare her the nuisance of writing it up by issuing a solicitor's letter in which it was alleged that, on the night in question, 'Helen Lucy Burke ... appeared to be intoxicated, made little sense to talk to, in addition to slurring her words, and also made unnecessary disparaging remarks to Mr Gallagher's staff, eg, "Can you wrap this up, I want to feed it to my blind pussy?"'

lol.
Enough said.

later12 · 31-05-2011 03:35PM

20Cent wrote: »

So anyone know do they have this tape or not?
HLB should put up or shut up.
Norris was v good on Pat Kenny this morning didn't hear duffy.

Yes, the tape has been found.

It is being converted for radio, but there are some tweets going around that all parties are being given a chance to hear the contents first. Not sure if there is a legal reason behind that.

d'Oracle · 31-05-2011 03:44PM

Norris sounds considerably more credible under examination.

tayto lover · 31-05-2011 03:50PM

vibe666 wrote: »

apologies, but it was not clear from your response who you where referring to as both men were mentioned in the quote you were responding to.

you see how easy it is for you to say one thing and it be taken a completely different way that makes you look bad?

as for it being in response to something not posted by me, i thought this was an open forum?

I would expect her to read it before commenting and jumping the gun though unlike you did. She claimed that she is right in what she wrote.

later12 · 31-05-2011 03:53PM

d'Oracle wrote: »

Norris sounds considerably more credible under examination.

He didnt have to deal with a Liveline mob, he was sitting in studio with Pat Kenny. Furthermore, I thought his repeated reference to Miss Helen Lucy Burke, who he described as elderly, and of limited means, were unfortunate and ill advised.

kn · 31-05-2011 03:57PM

20Cent wrote: »

So anyone know do they have this tape or not?
HLB should put up or shut up.
Norris was v good on Pat Kenny this morning didn't hear duffy.

The tape is available but there seems to be an issue about being able to play because it is of old technology and RTE probably want to filter it first for their legal people. But now that it is available it will be made public by someone.

20Cent · 31-05-2011 03:59PM

later10 wrote: »

He didnt have to deal with a Liveline mob, he was sitting in studio with Pat Kenny. Furthermore, I thought his repeated reference to Miss Helen Lucy Burke, who he described as elderly, and of limited means, were unfortunate and ill advised.

She is accusing him of the worst thing that a person can be accused of.
He is being very calm about the whole thing.

tayto lover · 31-05-2011 04:02PM

d'Oracle wrote: »

This is a restaurant critic.

Why is a restaurant critic a viable source for political information?

So if a restaurant critic has some information regarding what she sees as a crime she has no right to report it to the Gardai. Is that you're logic ?

Zubeneschamali · 31-05-2011 04:03PM

From the IT:

On his Twitter account later, Mr Norris said he did not wish to see any attack on Ms Burke. He told followers: “My commitment has always been to contest and win this race for the Presidency with dignity; without negativity or personal attacks.” “I am hugely grateful for your support and reiterate that I don’t want to see Ms Burke personally attacked for her role in this matter.”

Zubeneschamali · 31-05-2011 04:05PM

tayto lover wrote: »

So if a restaurant critic has some information regarding what she sees as a crime she has no right to report it to the Gardai. Is that you're logic ?

She's slagging him off on Joe Duffy for being evil and sinful, not reporting a crime to the guards!

nobble · 31-05-2011 04:05PM

Heard both the Duffy and Kenny pieces. Much of what is alleged by HLB seems to be her interpretation of what DN may have said, not a direct quote. HLB made much of the DN's acceptance of the article but the evidence suggests that DN refuted the contents as soon as he was aware of it.

Cannot blame DN for not going on the Duffy show, that seems more like an amphitheater for a scrap than a forum for a debate.

DN seemed to me to come across as genuine, HLB as a slightly unhinged.

tayto lover · 31-05-2011 04:10PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

She's slagging him off on Joe Duffy for being evil and sinful, not reporting a crime to the guards!

Probably because she believes he is and because she also believes she can back it up. Time will tell.

zuroph · 31-05-2011 04:15PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Probably because she believes he is and because she also believes she can back it up. Time will tell.

believes he is what? evil? sinful? what is "sin"? Is it a measurable thing? is it admissable in a court of law?

Nodin · 31-05-2011 04:20PM

later10 wrote: »

He didnt have to deal with a Liveline mob, he was sitting in studio with Pat Kenny. Furthermore, I thought his repeated reference to Miss Helen Lucy Burke, who he described as elderly, and of limited means, were unfortunate and ill advised.

....though, in the face of remarks about 'holidays to thailand' and other implications, remarkably restrained.

Is David Norris Toast?

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