How much do street beggers earn?

unclejunior · 28-05-2011 11:44AM #1

Hi,
I just finished college there yesterday and I dont qualify for social welfare for the summer. With no prospect of a job, Im facing eviction next week and Im going to be on the streets. I was just wondering how much street beggers earn? Is it possible to survive that way? I contacted st. vincent de paul 2 weeks ago but they only give u cans of food, which is good of them, but cans of food dont pay the bills so this is my only option.

whiteonion · 28-05-2011 11:46AM

Would it not be possible to move in with a relative like a parent or a sibling until you get back on your feet?

dotsflan · 28-05-2011 11:48AM

why dont you qualify for social welfare??? if your finished college your entitled too dole

cenvuza7fg9kx5 · 28-05-2011 11:52AM

Don't worry when we have our castle I'll let you stay. LOL

More seriously though I don't think you can qualify for JSA JSB until some months after you've completed college. Do you not have any friends in college that would let you stay for a few weeks?

Deus Ex Machina · 28-05-2011 11:55AM

Beggars receive next to nothing. The vast majority of homeless people don't beg, either out a sense of shame or a realisation that any money received will amount to a pittance. A lot of homeless people receive help from organisations like the SVP or their relatives. In many cases they simply steal food from shops. Becoming a beggar as a source of income is a last resort even for those in the most extreme circumstances, so don't try it unless all else fails.

dotsflan · 28-05-2011 11:58AM

Hugo Dazzling Sleeper wrote: »

Don't worry when we have our castle I'll let you stay. LOL

More seriously though I don't think you can qualify for JSA JSB until some months after you've completed college. Do you not have any friends in college that would let you stay for a few weeks?

no you can walk in the day after youve finished your last exam and sign on, its after the leaving cert you have to wait so many months

Kevin Bacon · 28-05-2011 11:58AM

dotsflan wrote: »

why dont you qualify for social welfare??? if your finished college your entitled too dole

Think its the case in most colleges that you're a student until you actually graduate in September. A stretching of the truth would be needed to get the dole i.e. lie about it.

Redlion · 28-05-2011 11:59AM

About three fiddy.

Mike 1972 · 28-05-2011 12:01PM

Deus Ex Machina wrote: »

Beggars receive next to nothing. The vast majority of homeless people don't beg, either out a sense of shame or a realisation that any money received will amount to a pittance.

You mean those stories about 2011 BMW's are not actually true :eek:

emeraldstar · 28-05-2011 12:02PM

Ask them.

stupidusername · 28-05-2011 12:02PM

ugh. if you're returning to college in september you're still considered a full time student, so can't receive SW. if you have left college, and are not returning in September you can receive SW, you need a letter from your college stating that you've finished.

the op said he was finished for the summer so i'm guessing he's going back. but op how did you survive during the term? Did you have a job? or as it a grant? clearly no one's going to suggest begging, but as far as i can see yeah they do make money out of it.

Mike 1972 · 28-05-2011 12:27PM

stupidusername wrote: »

if you're returning to college in september you're still considered a full time student, so can't receive SW. if you have left college, and are not returning in September you can receive SW, you need a letter from your college stating that you've finished.

How does one go about proving/disproving an intention in this regard given that some courses are run as two year (certificate) courses with an optional third (diploma) year or that one may be planning on undertaking another course after their current one finishes ?

stupidusername · 28-05-2011 12:30PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

How does one go about proving/disproving an intention in this regard given that some courses are run as two year (certificate) courses with an optional third (diploma) year or that one may be planning on undertaking another course after their current one finishes ?

I'm guessing you'd have to have applied for a course by June, would you not? Of course a certain amount of it comes down to not lying your pants off. but then that'd be called fraud now wouldn't it?

dotsflan · 28-05-2011 12:40PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

How does one go about proving/disproving an intention in this regard given that some courses are run as two year (certificate) courses with an optional third (diploma) year or that one may be planning on undertaking another course after their current one finishes ?

your allowed claim the dole in between the courses. Friend of mine done it last year, she finished her level 7 degree and was going onto a level 8 degree in sept. She went in and told them this in the SW office and she was told she was legally allowed to claim as she was technically no longer a full time student until september

Retrovertigo · 28-05-2011 12:42PM

dotsflan wrote: »

if your finished college your entitled too dole

......

bijapos · 28-05-2011 01:01PM

OP: Contact your local Community Welfare Officer. He or She will put you right on what you are allowed to receive or not. Even if you are not entitled to the dole you may be entitled to a social welfare payment which is usually the same as the dole.

Look up your nearest one now and go there first thing Monday morning.

ejmaztec · 28-05-2011 01:02PM

If in doubt, sell your arse.

Capt'n Midnight · 28-05-2011 01:17PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

If in doubt, sell your arse.

Who needs an arse transplant ?

unclejunior · 28-05-2011 03:07PM

stupidusername wrote: »

ugh. if you're returning to college in september you're still considered a full time student, so can't receive SW. if you have left college, and are not returning in September you can receive SW, you need a letter from your college stating that you've finished.

the op said he was finished for the summer so i'm guessing he's going back. but op how did you survive during the term? Did you have a job? or as it a grant? clearly no one's going to suggest begging, but as far as i can see yeah they do make money out of it.

hey,
im suppose to be returning in september. i already contacted my social welfare officer and was shocked at not been entitled to anything. i survived on a 3 grand grant up till now and have no cash left. ive no other alternative, its freaken me out

later12 · 28-05-2011 03:13PM

bijapos wrote: »

OP: Contact your local Community Welfare Officer. He or She will put you right on what you are allowed to receive or not. Even if you are not entitled to the dole you may be entitled to a social welfare payment which is usually the same as the dole.

Look up your nearest one now and go there first thing Monday morning.

The CWO is extremely hit and miss. I worked with the homeless, most people who do can tell you straight away which ones are sympathetic to the homeless and which are to be avoided for your personal integrity. It's way too subjective, the CWO system, and CWOs themselves in some cases, need an overhaul.

OP... where are you in the country?

Dangerous Man · 28-05-2011 03:16PM

You could always go on the rob.

unclejunior · 28-05-2011 03:17PM

later10 wrote: »

The CWO is extremely hit and miss. I worked with the homeless, most people who do can tell you straight away which ones are sympathetic to the homeless and which are to be avoided for your personal integrity. It's way too subjective, the CWO system, and CWOs themselves in some cases, need an overhaul.

OP... where are you in the country?

kildare

stupidusername · 28-05-2011 03:20PM

unclejunior wrote: »

hey,
im suppose to be returning in september. i already contacted my social welfare officer and was shocked at not been entitled to anything. i survived on a 3 grand grant up till now and have no cash left. ive no other alternative, its freaken me out

Well I dont know what more to tell you.look for a job.like your life depends on it! Also do go to your CWO,go first thing monday,cause you wont get back paid if you do get something.bring some id,bank statements.any proof of outgoings you have.

Celly Smunt · 28-05-2011 03:24PM

unclejunior wrote: »

kildare

i think you're better off homeless in Dublin than live in a house in kildare tbh

unclejunior · 28-05-2011 03:30PM

thanks for the advice but i think its a bit silly advising getting a job. ive tried the last 4 years and have no success. my situation isnt going to make finding a job any easier

Seachmall · 28-05-2011 03:30PM

Do you not have any friends with a couch?

You could earn your keep doing odd jobs. Pull scrap timber out of skips and make stuff, dumpster dive for canned food if you need to (middle class people do do this, I've done it once and got a **** load of beans that just had dents in the can [they were sealed and in perfect condition]).

IM0 · 28-05-2011 03:32PM

stupidusername wrote: »

Well I dont know what more to tell you.look for a job.like your life depends on it! Also do go to your CWO,go first thing monday,cause you wont get back paid if you do get something.bring some id,bank statements.any proof of outgoings you have.

and proff of residence, bills that kind of thing. I dont think you can get most SW payments if you dont have a residence

later12 · 28-05-2011 03:43PM

unclejunior wrote: »

kildare

In that case I don't really know what else to advise... the best you can do is persist with the CWO; bring all documentation including a letter from your university to say that you are out of education and the bank statements that others have suggested, as well as a proof of address. Go early because most CWO offices have very restricted opening times. I don't know what the emergency accommodation situation is in Kildare but your CWO will be able to advise you.

It sounds bad but this isn't a time for any pride, the CWO will most likely refuse your request until he can see that you are desperate. You need to explain the gravity of your situation to him or to her in clear and explicit terms.

super_furry · 28-05-2011 03:45PM

I think there are moves afoot to change their JLC agreements, so they'll be losing their weekend overtime.

Wolfe Tone · 28-05-2011 03:48PM

Facing eviction?

What type of accommodation are you in OP? Have much in the way of rent arrears?

CrazyRabbit · 28-05-2011 04:06PM

I seen a beggar with a HTC Desire Z about 5 weeks ago. Trying to hide it as he took a call whilst sitting on O'Connell street with a cup in front of him. I guess they do well enough.

OP, what skills do you have? Anything that would allow you to gain some income (computer repair, plumbing, electrician etc)?

Have you submitted your CV to contractor agencies like Manpower, Adeco & Ann O'Brien? They are very good at getting people entry-level jobs. Not great, but better than no income.

How much do street beggers earn?

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