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China Admits To Cyber Army

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    Who, Giggabyte?
    In that case, his career now needs a re-boot!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,468 ✭✭✭FGR


    For a moment I was thinking that China was after announcing the creation of Skynet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Show Time


    Now i know where to lay the blame for my PS3 going arse up on me.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,896 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    RachaelVO wrote: »
    It never would have dawned on me that all countries would have a cyber army. Of course it makes total sense, I just never had to think about it before.

    US's verion of it is Cyber Command.

    http://www.stratcom.mil/factsheets/Cyber_Command/
    USCYBERCOM plans, coordinates, integrates, synchronizes, and conducts activities to: direct the operations and defense of specified Department of Defense information networks and; prepare to, and when directed, conduct full-spectrum military cyberspace operations in order to enable actions in all domains, ensure US/Allied freedom of action in cyberspace and deny the same to our adversaries.

    NTM


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,108 ✭✭✭RachaelVO


    US's verion of it is Cyber Command.

    http://www.stratcom.mil/factsheets/Cyber_Command/



    NTM

    Jesus, it all seems so seedy of something... that's a mad link though!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    With a bit of luck, hopefully this Chinese cyber army has only just hacked Windows 95.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    With a bit of luck, hopefully this Chinese cyber army has only just hacked Windows 95.
    Going on previous Times reports, they have supposedly managed to hack a lot of the best and hardest systems out there or are continuing to try and do so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭TheReverend




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Biggins wrote: »
    Going on previous Times reports, they have supposedly managed to hack a lot of the best and hardest systems out there or are continuing to try and do so.

    I have no doubt they have, my post was merely wishful thinking. Do you remember a few years ago, some Chinese Americans infiltrated Silicon Valley and were passing high tech data back to their Chinese handlers. It was probably just the tip of the iceberg.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    I have no doubt they have, my post was merely wishful thinking. Do you remember a few years ago, some Chinese Americans infiltrated Silicon Valley and were passing high tech data back to their Chinese handlers. It was probably just the tip of the iceberg.
    Indeed. I deeply suspect we have only heard of 5% (guess) of the current activities - if that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 796 ✭✭✭TheBunk1


    Awww, seems I misread Cyber for Cyborg. Sad face.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 413 ✭✭The Left Hand Of God


    We have a cyber army too.

    It's bloke in a secret location in Mayo, with a mac, on dial up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,485 ✭✭✭Berns


    We have a cyber army too.

    It's bloke in a secret location in Mayo, with a mac, on dial up.

    You forgot to mention the treadmill for seperate power supply :rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,896 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Berns wrote: »
    You forgot to mention the treadmill for seperate power supply :rolleyes:

    Is it not a peat-burning turbine?

    Here's the closest I can find to an official public Cyber Command website. The main one requires DOD authentication, sorry.
    They have an RSS feed.

    http://www.defense.gov/home/features/2010/0410_cybersec/

    NTM


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭deathrider


    You're dead right, man. That's definitely the long version.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Biggins wrote: »
    I'm actually surprised they even admitted to its existence.
    I don't think the Chinese give a flying **** what the rest of the world thinks at this stage, they know they have us by the short and curlys.

    =


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    ScumLord wrote: »
    I don't think the Chinese give a flying **** what the rest of the world thinks at this stage, they know they have us by the short and curlys.

    =
    True.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    The main one requires DOD authentication, sorry.

    Go on then, share, we won't tell anyone.

    It's almost like you don't trust us or something :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭CreepingDeath


    Biggins wrote: »
    China Admits To Cyber Army.

    Cybermen are no match for the Daleks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 604 ✭✭✭Lanaier


    They "admit" it?

    This is common knowledge here, hardly newsworthy.
    Slow news day at The Times.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Lanaier wrote: »
    They "admit" it?

    This is common knowledge here, hardly newsworthy.
    Slow news day at The Times.
    And Time and others: http://techland.time.com/2011/05/31/china-admits-to-assembling-a-30-strong-team-of-elite-cyber-commandos/

    I think we all really knew it - its just very rare and surprising that China actually confirmed anything, never mind this!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 604 ✭✭✭Lanaier


    What may not (or may) be common knowledge in Ireland is that China has a much more massive army of people posting pro-China propaganda on various forums, blogs and boards.

    Known as Wu Mao dang or Wu Jiao dang (The 5 Jiao Party) because they get paid 5 jiao per post, easily recognized on English bbs's by their rambling pro-China jibberish, often in hilarious Chinglish.

    They number in the hundreds of thousands.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    US officials’ emails hacked by China
    Senior US Government officials have had their passwords stolen and emails read by hackers based in the central Chinese city of Jinan, Google admitted yesterday.

    The internet giant said the cyber-attack on its Gmail system, which has some 200 million users, targeted journalists and dissidents as well as government officials and worked by duping users into revealing their passwords with “phishing” scams.

    Eric Grosse, a Google software security engineer, wrote on the company’s official blog that the purpose of the hacking operation seemed to be “to monitor the contents of these users’ emails, with the perpetrators apparently using stolen passwords”.

    It was not clear at what level the US Government had been penetrated, which came a day after the Pentagon threatened to respond to serious cyber-attacks with real-world military force. “If you shut down our power grid, maybe we will put a missile down one of your smokestacks,” one US military official said.

    A senior White House spokesman said the Google report was being investigated but that there was no reason to believe government email accounts had been compromised, indicating that hackers may have obtained only officials’ private Gmail passwords.

    Eric Schmidt, the Google chairman, told the Wall Street Journal last night that the company was “massively more protected than we were a year ago”. Even so, Mr Grosse advised Gmail users to start accessing their messages with a two-step verification system that allows the system to match particular computers or hand-held devices to known users.

    In January 2010 Google confirmed another “highly sophisticated” attack on its servers, leading the company to end a limited censorship agreement with the Chinese government that had been in place since 2006. That attack was traced to universities and military facilities in six Chinese regions, including a specialist vocational school in Jinan.

    Chinese human rights advocates were the main target of that attack, the company said.

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/asia/article3048003.ece?CMP=EMCeb2
    Screen capture: http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1371/20110602082902.jpg

    And if you want to see how easy it is to actually just do the password cracking in order to steal info, see here: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2011/06/01/how-a-cheap-graphics-card-could-crack-your-password-in-under-a-second/?DCMP=NLC-Newsletters

    How a cheap graphics card could crack your password in under a second
    The results are startling. Working against NTLM login passwords, a password of “fjR8n” can be broken on the CPU in 24 seconds, at a rate of 9.8 million password guesses per second. On the GPU, it takes less than a second at a rate of 3.3 billion passwords per second.

    Increase the password to 6 characters (pYDbL6), and the CPU takes 1 hour 30 minutes versus only four seconds on the GPU. Go further to 7 characters (fh0GH5h), and the CPU would grind along for 4 days, versus a frankly worrying 17 minutes 30 seconds for the GPU.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭blackdog2


    Biggins wrote: »
    US officials’ emails hacked by China



    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/asia/article3048003.ece?CMP=EMCeb2
    Screen capture: http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1371/20110602082902.jpg

    And if you want to see how easy it is to actually just do the password cracking in order to steal info, see here: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2011/06/01/how-a-cheap-graphics-card-could-crack-your-password-in-under-a-second/?DCMP=NLC-Newsletters

    How a cheap graphics card could crack your password in under a second

    This kind of news is worrying, I wonder why China is admitting that this team exists while news of this breach and the Lockheed Martin breach is breaking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 604 ✭✭✭Lanaier


    Well the GPU thing is just a cheap alternative for us mortals, I'm sure China has all the resources and dedicated hardware it needs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭blackdog2


    I don't mean the GPU thing, the email hacking thing is the worrying part. I am sure there are a million software and hardware optimizations that enable them to crack passwords in seconds, I just hope that there was nothing sensitive in those public email accounts!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 604 ✭✭✭Lanaier


    Sure, I was just commenting on the GPU thing.

    Do they ever get sensitive data from those accounts?
    I would have to say yes.

    I'm sure all participating countries come across little nuggets in their hackscapades.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Lanaier wrote: »
    Well the GPU thing is just a cheap alternative for us mortals, I'm sure China has all the resources and dedicated hardware it needs.
    I'm sure they have the best of the best and not just the basic items like the graphics cards that alone speed up the cracking/hacking process.
    blackdog2 wrote: »
    I don't mean the GPU thing, the email hacking thing is the worrying part. I am sure there are a million software and hardware optimizations that enable them to crack passwords in seconds, I just hope that there was nothing sensitive in those public email accounts!
    Sooner or later, someone slips up and gets forgetful.
    Maybe when they crack those public emails, thats what they hope to find.
    (And thats just the public ones)
    Sometimes I suspect they are after particular names - but in order not to to be seen to be going after certain individuals in particular, they do wider sweeping cracks to throw investigating bodies off scent and/or delay them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    CNN is gonna suck if the US and China finally go to war in Cyberspace. Just imagine them interviewing some retired hacker commenting on a graphic representation of a DDOS attack on the whitehouse website.

    Unless of course it looks like Tron.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,588 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    hardCopy wrote: »
    CNN is gonna suck if the US and China finally go to war in Cyberspace. Just imagine them interviewing some retired hacker commenting on a graphic representation of a DDOS attack on the whitehouse website.

    Unless of course it looks like Tron.

    What CNN? Your electricity supply will have been shut down by cyber soldiers.


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