Is there anything I can do here...

Croppy Bhoy · 06-05-2011 05:16PM #1

Got my results, passed all 4 subjects but passed Economics by Compensation, meaning (presumably) I can't do it for second year.

This is a bit crap as it means I'll have to choose from Philosophy (which I don't care about whatsoever) or Law (which I'll struggle with). I got a much higher grade in Law than Economics but that's purely because I didn't do any of the Economics assignments, not because I struggle with it.

Now obviously it's entirely my own fault for not doing the assignments, but does anyone have a similar experience? Is there a chance I could just do the assignments now?

It's my own fault that I'm in this situation, but it seems silly that I'd have to continue with 2 subjects I would struggle with more so than Economics...

Raging_Ninja · 06-05-2011 10:18PM

Croppy Bhoy wrote: »

Got my results, passed all 4 subjects but passed Economics by Compensation, meaning (presumably) I can't do it for second year.

This is a bit crap as it means I'll have to choose from Philosophy (which I don't care about whatsoever) or Law (which I'll struggle with). I got a much higher grade in Law than Economics but that's purely because I didn't do any of the Economics assignments, not because I struggle with it.

Now obviously it's entirely my own fault for not doing the assignments, but does anyone have a similar experience? Is there a chance I could just do the assignments now?

It's my own fault that I'm in this situation, but it seems silly that I'd have to continue with 2 subjects I would struggle with more so than Economics...

A pass is a pass, whether its by compensation or not. I doubt you'll be prevented from carrying on with it since its an unrestricted course.

Belmono · 06-05-2011 11:46PM

A pass by compensation is not the same as an outright pass. Pass by compensation means that you cannot carry on with that subject. The only way you can get through to 2nd Year Economics (in your case) is to resit the assessment, whether it was an exam or piece of coursework assessment.
I'd recommend you contact Economics directly to get the most accurate information.

Croppy Bhoy · 07-05-2011 04:01AM

Belmono wrote: »

A pass by compensation is not the same as an outright pass. Pass by compensation means that you cannot carry on with that subject. The only way you can get through to 2nd Year Economics (in your case) is to resit the assessment, whether it was an exam or piece of coursework assessment.
I'd recommend you contact Economics directly to get the most accurate information.

Yeah I'll do that. Like I said it would be a waste of mine and the university's time and resources if they made me continue with subjects I'm actually worse at. Then again, they could just tell me to piss off because I didn't attend the lectures/tutorials, as that is apparently more important than actual ability.

HotDogger · 07-05-2011 08:59AM

When I actually figured out what the specific rules for my program were one year, the faculty didn't even adhere to them.

I wanted to sit one exam in August (this was before they capped repeat science grades at 40%), so I skipped it. My grade in the other module from the same group was high seventies, so they just gave me my CA mark and I passed by compensation.

Don't the rules for science state that your CA mark isn't included unless you get at least 35% on the exam?

Raging_Ninja · 07-05-2011 05:09PM

HotDogger wrote: »

Don't the rules for science state that your CA mark isn't included unless you get at least 35% on the exam?

This is Ireland. Most rules are guidelines.

basillarkin · 07-05-2011 05:17PM

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

This is Ireland. Most rules are guidelines.

I agree with Belemno here but you are one silly boy for not doing the assignments, I got 85% in the assignments and 65% overall, the assignments were fairly handy and required just a small effort.

Croppy Bhoy · 07-05-2011 05:31PM

Heh so I've looked over everything and apparently I actually did hand in some assignments (forgot that essay was counted as one of them). I also apparently attended 2 tutorials (must have been there in spirit?).

Turns out I missed Assignment 1, as in literally missed it because CAO f***ed up my application and I started college in mid October. At the time I emailed Ger Turley and he told me I could hand in Assignment 1, but I never got around to sorting it out (had quite a bit on plate given the situation).

I'm wondering if the extra 10 or 15 marks I could get by doing Assignment 1 would be enough (I'm on like 37%...).

How do the assignment marks translate to the grade %? I know the coursework is worth 30% in total, and my 35 assignment marks translate to 24% as a grade. How do they get to that?

JohnCleary · 08-05-2011 04:13PM

If Ger Turley (as you mention above) is your lecturer, I strongly suggest you contact him. While i'd question his teaching methods, as a lecturer he's very helpful and easy to talk to.

I was thrown into intermediate Macroeconomics this year, having never even done Economics for the leaving cert (never mind in college) and struggled, however constantly asking him questions etc. really helped

It's worth a shot, the worst he'll tell you to do is p1ss off

Croppy Bhoy · 10-05-2011 01:02PM

Heard back from them there, they said it's not possible and I'll have to do my degree in one of the other subjects that I don't care for at all and only picked to make up the numbers. Yet if I'd got 0% in an exam I'd get to repeat it and potentially continue with Economics. Super!

Raging_Ninja · 10-05-2011 03:44PM

Croppy Bhoy wrote: »

Heard back from them there, they said it's not possible and I'll have to do my degree in one of the other subjects that I don't care for at all and only picked to make up the numbers. Yet if I'd got 0% in an exam I'd get to repeat it and potentially continue with Economics. Super!

Ask if you can repeat the exam.

Croppy Bhoy · 10-05-2011 03:56PM

Well I asked "is there any way I can bring my grade up to 40?" and was told no :S

edit.. I've just realised that despite the coursework only amounting to 30% of the assessment, the 24 on my results must still be out of 100. Looks like I missed a fair few assignments!

I don't really see why I would be allowed to repeat an exam if I got a spakker grade in it, yet I'm not allowed to hand in a couple of assignments.

Foreverdelayed · 11-05-2011 06:07PM

If your refering to legal studies in arts, then you can only continue on with it if you passed all your exams first time around. Failing either Christmas or Summer exams in any of your 4 subjects immediately rules you out of continuing Legal Studies onto second and third year.

Belmono · 11-05-2011 08:25PM

You should check the guidelines for the subject regarding resubmission of coursework. If a module is purely examined by coursework alone, there really has to be a facility to allow you to re-submit, in the same way that students who deferred this module would be given the opportunity to re-submit. I'm guessing this is not necessarily publicised, but if you're not getting the answer you need from the department, then you should make contact with the College Office about your options. It's pretty serious if you find yourself stuck with subjects you have no interest in doing just for the sake of a degree. I'd also recommend you get in touch with the Vice-Dean for the First Year Experience, who should be able to clarfiy the situation. Again, you should contact the College Office as a priority, given that the resits for First Arts are already in full swing this week!

WallyGUFC · 12-05-2011 12:12AM

Foreverdelayed wrote: »

If your refering to legal studies in arts, then you can only continue on with it if you passed all your exams first time around. Failing either Christmas or Summer exams in any of your 4 subjects immediately rules you out of continuing Legal Studies onto second and third year.

Wrong!
"To pass Legal Studies, students need an overall mark of 40% or above. This overall mark is the only mark that counts, so students who have failed an individual module (Contract or Irish Legal System) but have an overall mark of 40% have passed Legal Studies and do not have to repeat the failed module. The overall mark is also the only mark which is taken into account for the purposes of continuing with Legal Studies in second year."

Straight from the horse's mouth.

Raging_Ninja · 12-05-2011 12:54AM

WallyGUFC wrote: »

Wrong!
"To pass Legal Studies, students need an overall mark of 40% or above. This overall mark is the only mark that counts, so students who have failed an individual module (Contract or Irish Legal System) but have an overall mark of 40% have passed Legal Studies and do not have to repeat the failed module. The overall mark is also the only mark which is taken into account for the purposes of continuing with Legal Studies in second year."

Straight from the horse's mouth.

Unless things have changed in the last 2 years you need to be in the top 100 to continue in the class, and places are handed out according to results. If someone has to repeat exams I don't believe they will be able to continue it since the offers are made during the summer.

WallyGUFC · 12-05-2011 08:03PM

Usually true but there's only about 120 doing it this year so you're almost guaranteed a place if you want it. Not all those 120 people will want to continue it.

Raging_Ninja · 12-05-2011 10:11PM

Fair enough, there was over 200 people doing it when I was in first year. Guess the kids figured out that the legal gravy train is over for the near future.

Foreverdelayed · 12-05-2011 11:04PM

Don't trust that NUIG website... god knows when it's been last updated. Contact the Law secretary(s).

WallyGUFC · 13-05-2011 08:07PM

Yeah she sent out that exact thing I posted in an email so I'm taking that as gospel for now!

elefant · 16-05-2011 12:19AM

The OP doesn't want to do legal science, he wants to do economics.

Foreverdelayed · 16-05-2011 12:29PM

elefant wrote: »

The OP doesn't want to do legal science, he wants to do economics.

But you have to do two subjects.

Croppy Bhoy · 21-05-2011 06:46PM

Right so it turns out I missed an entire semester's worth of assignments.

The Blackboard announcement in Jan said "Tutorial assignments are now available under course documents", yet the Course Documents folder only contained lecture slides and never any assignments. The Assignments folder was also empty (which was where all the Assignments in the first Semester were posted).

Turns out they were posted in a file contained in 'Course Information', a part of Blackboard that no other module uses, and completely different part to the one instructed.

Sometimes it amazes me how incompetent highly paid, highly qualified people can be. It does give me hope however, as every time I feel like a moron I remind myself that some employers obviously seek out this attribute.

Raging_Ninja · 21-05-2011 09:34PM

And it never occurred to you to ask the lecturer. Or to look around on BB.

spinandscribble · 24-05-2011 04:53PM

Croppy Bhoy wrote: »

Sometimes it amazes me how incompetent highly paid, highly qualified people can be. It does give me hope however, as every time I feel like a moron I remind myself that some employers obviously seek out this attribute.

Its comforting to shift the blame but its not going to get you where you want to go. I think the dept informed students about this via lectures/tutorials otherwise, like yourself, everyones grades in that course would be fails/close passes.

Columc · 24-05-2011 05:31PM

No one to blame other then yourself imo.

Croppy Bhoy · 25-05-2011 05:27PM

Oh obviously it's my fault, never denied that. Just saying it could be avoided if professionals didn't post misleading/false information on Blackboard. A three year old could understand that the 'Assignments' folder would be the place to put Assignments.

spinandscribble · 25-05-2011 08:41PM

Croppy Bhoy wrote: »

Oh obviously it's my fault, never denied that. Just saying it could be avoided if professionals didn't post misleading/false information on Blackboard. A three year old could understand that the 'Assignments' folder would be the place to put Assignments.

If you did look at the site during the term wouldn't you have noticed it was odd there was no assignments all term and thought to question it?

Sometimes glitches happen in sites, especially with certain staff, happened all the time in both colleges i've been to. The idea is these things are easily cleared up in classes/tutorials (even emails if you miss a class) and often these online facilities are just "back ups" to the assignments handed out in person.

Croppy Bhoy · 25-05-2011 10:45PM

spinandscribble wrote: »

Sometimes glitches happen in sites

It's not a glitch, just a lecturer deciding to post them in a completely counter-intuitive area of Blackboard, accompanied by an announcement giving misleading information.

Next year I'll make sure to attend all tutorials and lectures so I can double check every piece of information to ensure they're doing their job properly.

spinandscribble · 26-05-2011 06:41PM

Croppy Bhoy wrote: »

Next year I'll make sure to attend all tutorials and lectures so I can double check every piece of information to ensure they're doing their job properly.

Delicious irony.

Croppy Bhoy · 27-05-2011 01:54AM

spinandscribble wrote: »

Delicious irony.

Going to college isn't a job. You pay your fees and decide how best to use the resources made available to you.
Lecturers get paid. That's a job.

Is there anything I can do here...

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