Is there anything I can do here...

Croppy Bhoy

Got my results, passed all 4 subjects but passed Economics by Compensation, meaning (presumably) I can't do it for second year.

This is a bit crap as it means I'll have to choose from Philosophy (which I don't care about whatsoever) or Law (which I'll struggle with). I got a much higher grade in Law than Economics but that's purely because I didn't do any of the Economics assignments, not because I struggle with it.

Now obviously it's entirely my own fault for not doing the assignments, but does anyone have a similar experience? Is there a chance I could just do the assignments now?

It's my own fault that I'm in this situation, but it seems silly that I'd have to continue with 2 subjects I would struggle with more so than Economics...

Raging_Ninja

Croppy Bhoy wrote: »

Got my results, passed all 4 subjects but passed Economics by Compensation, meaning (presumably) I can't do it for second year.

This is a bit crap as it means I'll have to choose from Philosophy (which I don't care about whatsoever) or Law (which I'll struggle with). I got a much higher grade in Law than Economics but that's purely because I didn't do any of the Economics assignments, not because I struggle with it.

Now obviously it's entirely my own fault for not doing the assignments, but does anyone have a similar experience? Is there a chance I could just do the assignments now?

It's my own fault that I'm in this situation, but it seems silly that I'd have to continue with 2 subjects I would struggle with more so than Economics...

A pass is a pass, whether its by compensation or not. I doubt you'll be prevented from carrying on with it since its an unrestricted course.

Belmono

A pass by compensation is not the same as an outright pass. Pass by compensation means that you cannot carry on with that subject. The only way you can get through to 2nd Year Economics (in your case) is to resit the assessment, whether it was an exam or piece of coursework assessment.
I'd recommend you contact Economics directly to get the most accurate information.

Croppy Bhoy

Belmono wrote: »

A pass by compensation is not the same as an outright pass. Pass by compensation means that you cannot carry on with that subject. The only way you can get through to 2nd Year Economics (in your case) is to resit the assessment, whether it was an exam or piece of coursework assessment.
I'd recommend you contact Economics directly to get the most accurate information.

Yeah I'll do that. Like I said it would be a waste of mine and the university's time and resources if they made me continue with subjects I'm actually worse at. Then again, they could just tell me to piss off because I didn't attend the lectures/tutorials, as that is apparently more important than actual ability.

HotDogger

When I actually figured out what the specific rules for my program were one year, the faculty didn't even adhere to them.

I wanted to sit one exam in August (this was before they capped repeat science grades at 40%), so I skipped it. My grade in the other module from the same group was high seventies, so they just gave me my CA mark and I passed by compensation.

Don't the rules for science state that your CA mark isn't included unless you get at least 35% on the exam?

Raging_Ninja

HotDogger wrote: »

Don't the rules for science state that your CA mark isn't included unless you get at least 35% on the exam?

This is Ireland. Most rules are guidelines.

basillarkin

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

This is Ireland. Most rules are guidelines.

I agree with Belemno here but you are one silly boy for not doing the assignments, I got 85% in the assignments and 65% overall, the assignments were fairly handy and required just a small effort.

Croppy Bhoy

Heh so I've looked over everything and apparently I actually did hand in some assignments (forgot that essay was counted as one of them). I also apparently attended 2 tutorials (must have been there in spirit?).

Turns out I missed Assignment 1, as in literally missed it because CAO f***ed up my application and I started college in mid October. At the time I emailed Ger Turley and he told me I could hand in Assignment 1, but I never got around to sorting it out (had quite a bit on plate given the situation).

I'm wondering if the extra 10 or 15 marks I could get by doing Assignment 1 would be enough (I'm on like 37%...).

How do the assignment marks translate to the grade %? I know the coursework is worth 30% in total, and my 35 assignment marks translate to 24% as a grade. How do they get to that?

JohnCleary

If Ger Turley (as you mention above) is your lecturer, I strongly suggest you contact him. While i'd question his teaching methods, as a lecturer he's very helpful and easy to talk to.

I was thrown into intermediate Macroeconomics this year, having never even done Economics for the leaving cert (never mind in college) and struggled, however constantly asking him questions etc. really helped

It's worth a shot, the worst he'll tell you to do is p1ss off

Croppy Bhoy

Heard back from them there, they said it's not possible and I'll have to do my degree in one of the other subjects that I don't care for at all and only picked to make up the numbers. Yet if I'd got 0% in an exam I'd get to repeat it and potentially continue with Economics. Super!

Raging_Ninja

Croppy Bhoy wrote: »

Heard back from them there, they said it's not possible and I'll have to do my degree in one of the other subjects that I don't care for at all and only picked to make up the numbers. Yet if I'd got 0% in an exam I'd get to repeat it and potentially continue with Economics. Super!

Ask if you can repeat the exam.

Croppy Bhoy

Well I asked "is there any way I can bring my grade up to 40?" and was told no :S

edit.. I've just realised that despite the coursework only amounting to 30% of the assessment, the 24 on my results must still be out of 100. Looks like I missed a fair few assignments!

I don't really see why I would be allowed to repeat an exam if I got a spakker grade in it, yet I'm not allowed to hand in a couple of assignments.

Foreverdelayed

If your refering to legal studies in arts, then you can only continue on with it if you passed all your exams first time around. Failing either Christmas or Summer exams in any of your 4 subjects immediately rules you out of continuing Legal Studies onto second and third year.

Belmono

You should check the guidelines for the subject regarding resubmission of coursework. If a module is purely examined by coursework alone, there really has to be a facility to allow you to re-submit, in the same way that students who deferred this module would be given the opportunity to re-submit. I'm guessing this is not necessarily publicised, but if you're not getting the answer you need from the department, then you should make contact with the College Office about your options. It's pretty serious if you find yourself stuck with subjects you have no interest in doing just for the sake of a degree. I'd also recommend you get in touch with the Vice-Dean for the First Year Experience, who should be able to clarfiy the situation. Again, you should contact the College Office as a priority, given that the resits for First Arts are already in full swing this week!

WallyGUFC

Foreverdelayed wrote: »

If your refering to legal studies in arts, then you can only continue on with it if you passed all your exams first time around. Failing either Christmas or Summer exams in any of your 4 subjects immediately rules you out of continuing Legal Studies onto second and third year.

Wrong!
"To pass Legal Studies, students need an overall mark of 40% or above. This overall mark is the only mark that counts, so students who have failed an individual module (Contract or Irish Legal System) but have an overall mark of 40% have passed Legal Studies and do not have to repeat the failed module. The overall mark is also the only mark which is taken into account for the purposes of continuing with Legal Studies in second year."

Straight from the horse's mouth.

Raging_Ninja

WallyGUFC wrote: »

Wrong!
"To pass Legal Studies, students need an overall mark of 40% or above. This overall mark is the only mark that counts, so students who have failed an individual module (Contract or Irish Legal System) but have an overall mark of 40% have passed Legal Studies and do not have to repeat the failed module. The overall mark is also the only mark which is taken into account for the purposes of continuing with Legal Studies in second year."

Straight from the horse's mouth.

Unless things have changed in the last 2 years you need to be in the top 100 to continue in the class, and places are handed out according to results. If someone has to repeat exams I don't believe they will be able to continue it since the offers are made during the summer.

WallyGUFC

Usually true but there's only about 120 doing it this year so you're almost guaranteed a place if you want it. Not all those 120 people will want to continue it.

Raging_Ninja

Fair enough, there was over 200 people doing it when I was in first year. Guess the kids figured out that the legal gravy train is over for the near future.

Foreverdelayed

Don't trust that NUIG website... god knows when it's been last updated. Contact the Law secretary(s).

WallyGUFC

Yeah she sent out that exact thing I posted in an email so I'm taking that as gospel for now!

elefant

The OP doesn't want to do legal science, he wants to do economics.

Foreverdelayed

elefant wrote: »

The OP doesn't want to do legal science, he wants to do economics.

But you have to do two subjects.

Croppy Bhoy

Right so it turns out I missed an entire semester's worth of assignments.

The Blackboard announcement in Jan said "Tutorial assignments are now available under course documents", yet the Course Documents folder only contained lecture slides and never any assignments. The Assignments folder was also empty (which was where all the Assignments in the first Semester were posted).

Turns out they were posted in a file contained in 'Course Information', a part of Blackboard that no other module uses, and completely different part to the one instructed.

Sometimes it amazes me how incompetent highly paid, highly qualified people can be. It does give me hope however, as every time I feel like a moron I remind myself that some employers obviously seek out this attribute.

Raging_Ninja

And it never occurred to you to ask the lecturer. Or to look around on BB.

spinandscribble

Croppy Bhoy wrote: »

Sometimes it amazes me how incompetent highly paid, highly qualified people can be. It does give me hope however, as every time I feel like a moron I remind myself that some employers obviously seek out this attribute.

Its comforting to shift the blame but its not going to get you where you want to go. I think the dept informed students about this via lectures/tutorials otherwise, like yourself, everyones grades in that course would be fails/close passes.

Columc

No one to blame other then yourself imo.

Croppy Bhoy

Oh obviously it's my fault, never denied that. Just saying it could be avoided if professionals didn't post misleading/false information on Blackboard. A three year old could understand that the 'Assignments' folder would be the place to put Assignments.

spinandscribble

Croppy Bhoy wrote: »

Oh obviously it's my fault, never denied that. Just saying it could be avoided if professionals didn't post misleading/false information on Blackboard. A three year old could understand that the 'Assignments' folder would be the place to put Assignments.

If you did look at the site during the term wouldn't you have noticed it was odd there was no assignments all term and thought to question it?

Sometimes glitches happen in sites, especially with certain staff, happened all the time in both colleges i've been to. The idea is these things are easily cleared up in classes/tutorials (even emails if you miss a class) and often these online facilities are just "back ups" to the assignments handed out in person.

Croppy Bhoy

spinandscribble wrote: »

Sometimes glitches happen in sites

It's not a glitch, just a lecturer deciding to post them in a completely counter-intuitive area of Blackboard, accompanied by an announcement giving misleading information.

Next year I'll make sure to attend all tutorials and lectures so I can double check every piece of information to ensure they're doing their job properly.

spinandscribble

Croppy Bhoy wrote: »

Next year I'll make sure to attend all tutorials and lectures so I can double check every piece of information to ensure they're doing their job properly.

Delicious irony.

Croppy Bhoy

spinandscribble wrote: »

Delicious irony.

Going to college isn't a job. You pay your fees and decide how best to use the resources made available to you.
Lecturers get paid. That's a job.

Columc

Croppy Bhoy wrote: »

Going to college isn't a job. You pay your fees and decide how best to use the resources made available to you.
Lecturers get paid. That's a job.

Lectures and their knwoedlge is what you are paying for.

Blackboard is a benefit, lecturers are not enforced to use it. Croppy so you pay your fees and are not getting a grant?

Croppy Bhoy

Columc wrote: »

Lectures and their knwoedlge is what you are paying for.

Then I want my money back

Columc wrote: »

Blackboard is a benefit, lecturers are not enforced to use it.

I know, and they should be. But the issue here isn't them not using it, it's them not being capable of using it properly.

Columc

I had letures that didnt use it at all, I had lectueres that took down the notes 2 weeks prior to exams and left a note saying "you should already have all these prior to exams", I had lectueres that have stuff in the wrong areas. I Had lectueres that didnt even pu assignements on blackboard but handed them out in the lectuer.

Its simple, if the course outline stated you had assignments and you didnt do anything you should of put 1+1 together and ether went to the lecterurs and talked to him or emailed him.

I also like it how you ignore my other question asking if you got a grant.

Also for your money back the goverment pays for your fees so you arent paying lectueres, you are paying registration fees for maintaince of the college while you are there.

This is why I wish the abolish college grants for all parties and introduce full fees into college, so people wont take it for granteded anymore.

*I am against college fees, but in some situations I really do think it might help sometime :P

Croppy Bhoy

Columc wrote: »

I also like it how you ignore my other question asking if you got a grant.

Because it's entirely irrelevent and none of your business

Columc wrote: »

Also for your money back the goverment pays for your fees

No they don't. Don't make assumptions.

spinandscribble

Croppy Bhoy wrote: »

Going to college isn't a job. You pay your fees and decide how best to use the resources made available to you.
Lecturers get paid. That's a job.

You're right its not a job, its a privilege that is paid for but part of the privilege of getting a education is doing your best/what's expected of you to achieve it.

Doesn't matter if it was the gov/mom/dad that paid, you should treat your privileges/blessings with respect.

I know you didn't pay for this course with your own money because if you put in the hours to work up the money for it, there's no way you'd waste it like this. (looked at your post history, turns out, like myself, its your second time at uni so you indeed paid for this year out of your own pocket. Dunno what to say really, I don't know if it was laziness or circumstances that lead you not to attend college and participate)

resources such as lectures/tutorials?

Then I want my money back

If you want your money back because lectures/tutorials are not your preferred form of learning (college can distract some because of the social aspect), perhaps enroll in distant learning online with the open Uni institute? cheaper and everything is on a computer screen. I'm not actually joking either.

Croppy Bhoy

Yeah the money back thing was pretty tongue-in-cheek (along with most of my posts), I don't really care. Was a fun year and I passed everything so can't complain!

TheCosmicFrog

Croppy Bhoy wrote: »

It's not a glitch, just a lecturer deciding to post them in a completely counter-intuitive area of Blackboard, accompanied by an announcement giving misleading information.

One of our lecturers did this too. Didn't make one blind bit of difference except for maybe the first time we clicked "Assignments" and nothing came up.

Columc

TheCosmicFrog wrote: »

One of our lecturers did this too. Didn't make one blind bit of difference except for maybe the first time we clicked "Assignments" and nothing came up.

Unlike Croppy, you probably clicked assignments befor the last week they were due? and you werent looking for an escape goat?

JonSnuuu

Columc wrote: »

escape goat

LOL

*scapegoat

Columc

johnt91 wrote: »

LOL

*scapegoat

glad you get entertained easily

Croppy Bhoy

Columc wrote: »

an escape goat?

Was that one of Bin Laden's contingency plans?