Request to cyclists who use bus lanes

monument · 24-05-2011 12:02PM #1

I've a small request to cyclists who use bus lanes in Dublin or elsewhere.

Anybody who spots any of these signs could they post here, or PM me if you like?

Please say exactly where you spot them, thanks.

The signs may be a bit different in design or size, but they generally look something like the above -- only a bus and no bicycle. This one with a bicycle is not what I'm looking for.

I know these are still in use by some of the councils, but I just want to confirm how widespread their use are. Any help is much appreciated.

Khannie · 24-05-2011 12:06PM

I'll keep an eye out. Just wondering why you're looking?

I'm surprised though, I thought all bus lanes were good to go for cyclists (unless there's a cycle lane running along side it I suppose).

BostonB · 24-05-2011 12:08PM

I think the one on the bottom of Lesson Street/Stephen green doesn't have a bike on it. I assumed this is deliberate as the lights halfway up aren't triggered by a bike either. Though cyclists use it.

http://maps.google.ie/?ie=UTF8&layer=c&cbll=53.336264,-6.257192&panoid=AKRMCC0OmPoy0-2q09u_fA&cbp=12,128.96,,0,8.36&hq=&hnear=15+Riverwood+Heath,+Dublin+15&ll=53.336152,-6.25724&spn=0,0.016512&z=17

doopa · 24-05-2011 12:12PM

Not sure if this one counts, but...

http://maps.google.ie/?ie=UTF8&ll=53.338591,-6.255311&spn=0.001706,0.005083&z=19&layer=c&cbll=53.338666,-6.255598&panoid=A6Sf_7B2YUzE_LimYWZw1w&cbp=12,229.09,,0,2.14

I'm never sure if cyclists are allowed down this route. i.e. along the side of St.Stephens Green.

Cookie_Monster · 24-05-2011 12:16PM

BostonB wrote: »

I think the one on the bottom of Lesson Street/Stephen green doesn't have a bike on it. I assumed this is deliberate as the lights halfway up aren't triggered by a bike either. Though cyclists use it.

http://maps.google.ie/?ie=UTF8&ll=53.338591,-6.255311&spn=0.001706,0.005083&z=19&layer=c&cbll=53.338666,-6.255598&panoid=A6Sf_7B2YUzE_LimYWZw1w&cbp=12,229.09,,0,2.14

that's cos it's contra flow though isn't it.

I though that cyclists / taxi's etc are not allowed use contra flow bus lanes, just buses.

Iwannahurl · 24-05-2011 12:17PM

Ah, Ireland. Is feidir linn.

Those would be the Bus/Cycle Lane signs with the Cycle bit erased with blue paint?

An Irish solution to an Irish problem, which of course was caused by the previous Irish solution to the previous Irish problem...

FatSh!te · 24-05-2011 12:20PM

Hey..
I'd been looking out for these signs myself as they annoyed the hell out of me, there are a few about alright.

Seeing your post I looked up the new Traffic Signs Manual Nov 2010(pg4/39), and they've now changed the requirement to allow the omission of the cycle symbol from the sign:
"The cycle symbol may be omitted if, for instance, there is a suitable alternative cycle facility."

I had not realised this at all.

Can't seem to get a pdf out of the relevant page from the New TSM.

Edit - extract of old TSM section is attached

FatSh!te · 24-05-2011 12:24PM

New TSM extract attached... managed to pdf it:rolleyes:

BostonB · 24-05-2011 12:29PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

that's cos it's contra flow though isn't it.

I though that cyclists / taxi's etc are not allowed use contra flow bus lanes, just buses.

No idea.

GlennaMaddy · 24-05-2011 12:47PM

Here's one in Drumcondra, accompanied by a dead end cycle lane with wheelie bin and tree thrown in for good measure.

Iwannahurl · 24-05-2011 12:57PM

GlennaMaddy wrote: »

Here's one in Drumcondra, accompanied by a dead end cycle lane with wheelie bin and tree thrown in for good measure.

I didn't find the dead-end cycle lane, wheelie bin or tree, but I did spot the inevitable footpath cyclist. Hardly surprising really.

News to me that the TSM had changed. Sorry to be so cynical, but is this another case of policy being changed ad hoc and post hoc to justify practice?

Cookie_Monster · 24-05-2011 01:03PM

GlennaMaddy wrote: »

Here's one in Drumcondra, accompanied by a dead end cycle lane with wheelie bin and tree thrown in for good measure.

god almighty, that's beyond ridiculous

Cookie_Monster · 24-05-2011 01:07PM

Caroline_ie wrote: »

Here

where, both signs have bike on them in that shot.

Caroline_ie · 24-05-2011 01:09PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

where, both signs have bike on them in that shot.

I know I paste the wrong link :P I'll try again

there Stillorgan road

Cookie_Monster · 24-05-2011 01:12PM

Caroline_ie wrote: »

I know I paste the wrong link :P I'll try again

Need to be quicker on the Ninja edit :cool:

:P

Kintarō Hattori · 24-05-2011 01:16PM

What do those signs in the OP's post mean though? I have to admit that I don't know.

GlennaMaddy · 24-05-2011 01:23PM

Iwannahurl wrote: »

I didn't find the dead-end cycle lane, wheelie bin or tree...

Here you go...

tomasrojo · 24-05-2011 01:25PM

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

What do those signs in the OP's post mean though? I have to admit that I don't know.

The Bus Lane sign with the bike obscured was not a legally compliant sign. I thought it still wasn't but see one of the posts on page one of this thread.

Thanks to monument, if I understand correctly, many of these signs had been replaced with the correct sign (i.e. the sign that included the bike symbol).

EDIT: I think I might have missed the point of your question. The amended and legally questionable sign was being used by local councils to exclude cyclists from certain bus lanes. They were starting to use it a lot. The one on St. John's Road West leading down to Heuston is a particularly amusing one, since the muddy, broken up and pedestrian-frequented 30cm wide footpath beside the bus lane is designated as a cycle track in compensation, just showing how important it is to have standards for something before making it compulsory.

FURTHER EDIT: I should point out that the footpath is more like one-metre wide. You can see from the picture how it's too narrow and basically not a cycle facility in any recognisable sense.

Kintarō Hattori · 24-05-2011 01:27PM

tomasrojo wrote: »

Thanks to monument, if I understand correctly, many of these signs had been replaced with the correct sign (i.e. the sign that included the bike symbol).

And what does the one with the bike mean- that you can use the bike lane? Is there any variations on it? Such as one which indicates that you can't?

tomasrojo · 24-05-2011 01:33PM

The one with the bike symbol means that you *can* use the bus lane. The problem was (or is) that the only bus lane sign that's legally compliant has a bike on it. The other, bike-less one is an improvisation by the councils.

trellheim · 24-05-2011 01:35PM

Therefore if you drive in the lane during rush hour in a car you aren't breaking the law because it's not validly signed ?

tomasrojo · 24-05-2011 01:38PM

This is the Cycle Track on St. John's Road West that "allowed" the councils to designate the bus lane bus-only.

It's behind the tree, in case you're wondering.

That's still designated a cycle track, but the bus lane, at least until recently, had its signs changed to include the bike symbol.

tomasrojo · 24-05-2011 01:44PM

Actually, now I check it, it's not a cycle track. They didn't even use the right signage.

Here's the sign at the top of the hill.

So, they were using a combination of legally incompliant signs to dupe cyclists into cycling on a footpath that is even less suitable than the average footpath in Dublin. Or else they sincerely believed they could make up any signage they liked so they could redesignate roads any way they liked.

tomasrojo · 24-05-2011 01:45PM

trellheim wrote: »

Therefore if you drive in the lane during rush hour in a car you aren't breaking the law because it's not validly signed ?

Good point. I couldn't say. What a mess, eh?

Mind you, last time I checked the bus lane had the correct sign. I assume because monument had written to the council about this issue in general.

monument · 24-05-2011 01:59PM

tomasrojo wrote: »

The other, bike-less one is an improvisation by the councils.

Now with approval from the department, but still with apparently no legal backing.

monument · 24-05-2011 03:04PM

Also, just to note: After my inquires last year Dublin City Council did fixed some of the ones shown in Google Street View as posted above.

Rodin · 24-05-2011 08:20PM

Could someone please remind cyclists that a red light does not mean 'go'?
And for those colour blind, it's the one at the top.

Almost ran over a cyclist five minutes ago because of his complete disregard for lights. Had a helmet on too. How about not running red lights ( three of them) if you want to stay safe!?

Whitehawk · 24-05-2011 08:26PM

monument wrote: »

Now with approval from the department, but still with apparently no legal backing.

this is all very intresting! thanks for bring this to light dont think id have noticed them other wise
cheers

Civilian_Target · 24-05-2011 08:29PM

lol

You think there's someone in the Department of Transport saying Where can we put the cyclists so that they will just get out of everyone's way?

I'm not sure whether they're backward, ignorant or spineless... if they continue to try and please everyone, in the end they please no-one at all.

-Chris- · 24-05-2011 09:10PM

Rodin wrote: »

Could someone please remind cyclists that a red light does not mean 'go'?
And for those colour blind, it's the one at the top.

Almost ran over a cyclist five minutes ago because of his complete disregard for lights. Had a helmet on too. How about not running red lights ( three of them) if you want to stay safe!?

What on earth does that have to do with this thread?

Chips Lovell · 24-05-2011 09:59PM

-Chris- wrote: »

What on earth does that have to do with this thread?

Nothing. And now they've been carded

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