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Unemployment and Dole Leechers.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    I think the dole should be cut to items instead of saving the repayments for example.

    Family with 2 kids (weekly) = 3 loafs of bread, 5 cans of beans, 2.5kg of potatoes, 500g pasta, and some other items.

    A single person living on their own = 2 loafs of bread, 3 cans of beans, 1 can of peas, 1kg potatoes, 500g rice.

    If they need a bus fare for a job interview, they have to go to the local unemployment office and request the return amount, no problem.

    What else would they spend taxpayers money on that is acceptable??

    are you hitlers daughter by any chance ?. pun intended


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Oh_Noes


    Surely the people referred to in all these threads who are the idots are the taxpayers. If they stopped paying tax there'd be no dole scroungers or EU bailouts. Problem solved.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Pace2008


    Some green vegetables?
    Or some luxuries like sufficient calories to last you for a week, or maybe even a smattering of the two essential macronutrients that are completely neglegted in the proposed state-provided bounty. People are kinda fond of their musculoskeletal systems and woudn't mind keeping them.

    ****, maybe if we're feeling really generous we might throw them a few shillings so they can occasionally do nice things like, say, go to the cinema, or buy a book, or even (gasp) have a pint or two. 'Cause when you're living on a medieval peasant's diet and have to beg for your bus fare at the dole office, you might start to feel a bit down. And frankly, we have too many people topping themselves in this country as it is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Seachmall wrote: »
    We're all aware of the high unemployment rates in this country and the fact that a large number of those claiming the dole are merely leeching with no intention of every actually looking for a job, while the others are genuinely unemployed and can't find work.

    Why not take those who do want to work and train them as dole inspectors. They can weed out those who are not seeking employment (and thus not entitled to jobseekers allowance/benefits) and tell them to get f*cked. I suspect they'd do well at the job given they've actually needed the benefits while these scumbags claimed out of laziness, giving them a bad name.

    That way you kill two birds with one stone.

    What ya think?
    I think your post is uninformed and funny.

    WOW, well that be a TINY bit harsh. I think that levels of intelligence vary, levels of initiative vary, levels of confidence vary!! To be honest, I think it's just part of life that there is always going to be that strata of society (if that is the right word) who are virtually unemployable.

    I went to a good school, had my parents supporting me every inch of the way, I have 13 years experience and yet I find myself without work and I know how difficult it is to get back into the workplace! I have actually tried (and I continue to try).

    I think the NUMBER one thing the government could do for me would be to have subsidised after school care clubs. If we weren't in a recession and there were actually jobs out there, that would be the thing that would get me back into the workplace.

    I would like to see tougher measures brought in to place to prevent fathers from getting out of paying for their children.

    They can declare themselves bankrupt, move abroad, be a sahd if they had a new partner, just be self-employed, or even just go on the dole themselves. Their much-maligned single parent x's may be stigmatised for being on benefits, but they at least have a JOB, they are raising children. The amount of these impregnators (you couldn't call them fathers) who skip off without a backward glance leaving their children's mothers to raise them and the state to fund their selfishness.... that needs to be sorted out. YES there are legal procedures to get maintenance, but you can't get blood out of a stone, and often women will be in the position of not being able to afford solicitors but not being eligible for legal aid (if theyhave a job, even a low paid one)
    Aww. The poor single mother.

    Don't want to get pregnant? Use protection. It's not ****ing rocket science.

    Have you had unprotected sex? Get the morning after pill. It's available over the counter these days.

    Didn't know that? Have an abortion.

    Pro-life? Give the child up for adoption if you don't want it. Plenty of people out there looking to adopt.


    With regards to protected sex; yes, there is a chance that your protection of choice may not work, but that's 5% at most.
    In your post you blame the "Impregnators". It take two to tango (one if you're from D4, but that's neither here nor there).
    It's as much the responsibility of the woman (or egg carrier) as it is the impregnator to take precautions.

    I understand the heat of the moment thing. It happens all the time (no, I'm not bragging. I'm a 35 year old virgin), but that's what the morning after pill is for.

    If you're an egg carrier who has been irresponsible enough to have unprotected sex with an impregnator, then you really should go and get the morning after pill instead of whining about how some dude who just wanted to score with a chick who wanted to score with a dude who wanted to score with a chick who...

    Mutual one night stand is what I'm getting at here.

    Take responsibility for your actions instead of blaming the impregnator.

    donalg1 wrote: »
    Damn you, took the words right out of my mouth!!!!

    A simple solution is to check who has been on the dole in receipt of JSA / JSB for the last ten years through the boom when there was an abundance of work going and this would give an idea of those who are really intent on leeching and never getting a job. These are the people who should be sent out to clean the streets, paint public areas or shopfronts, and clean all the beaches and beauty spots around the country etc... and if they refuse just stop their dole.

    I cant see any point persecuting those people who have genuinely lost their job in the last few years and who are actually out there every day looking for more work.

    There is plenty of community work needs doing that the leeches could be getting on with

    People are already employed to do those jobs. They're called council workers.
    Not happy with the work done in your area? Contact your local council.
    zerks wrote: »
    While many are genuinely looking for work there's many who are happy to sit and get 'free' money.
    A mate of mine set up interviews for a post with a high profile company and nobody turned up,only one bothered to even contact him(by text) to say they couldn't make it.
    I've had the same experience-I booked in a dozen interviews for a job and 2 people turned up,how can unemployed people be so busy that they can't be bothered to even attend interviews?
    If you have no intention of looking for work or accepting a job then have your benefits cut.
    On the other hand I know highly qualified people who are taking even the most menial jobs just to have some kind of income and a reason to get out of bed in the morning.
    Giz a job.
    Check your inbox. You'll probably have a few people genuinely seeking work.
    I'm up for that.

    I wonder how many of these threads were around pre-recession. Irony, no?
    About 10 times as many.
    I'm not joking.
    At one point there was at least one a day from the high and mighty tax payers.
    They died off for a while when the **** hit the fan and said people had to go and sign on the dole.

    sirbob wrote: »
    id like to start this by sayin i was on the dole for 2 yrs before i got the hell outa der .... the dole in ireland is to high i turned down a few jobs because i was comin home wif less money workin than i was on the dole its a **** set up i dont care wat anyone says ... an for ur scheme ur an idiot dats not the way to do it the ppl hu wanna wor will work or der dole if u let them they need more fas style scheme in place were ppl work in der local community claenin up maintainin grass areas an flower beds an keepin public areas clean tidy towns sorta stuff der are ppl hu wud do this if the insentive was der if it was run rite after 6 month on the dole lookin for work you shud have to sugn up to one of these jus a few hours a week if not ur doles cut if after a yr u dont wif out good reason it gets curt further an by yr to no more dole unless u participate thus killin 2 birds wif one stone cleaner ireland an ppl eran der dole ......
    :D i cud go on but i got other stuff to do its time for a swim ha comments welcome
    I'd like to start this by saying that the vast majority of people most likely only got as far as your first sentence.

    If your CV is anything like your post, then I'm not surprised you had trouble finding work.

    Allow me to translate this for you:

    durrrrrrrrrrp


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Pandora2


    The British Welfare System did the whole poacher turned gamekeeper in 1991/2/3..you went to sign on one day and were told you were commencing training the following Monday and thereafter you were on surveillance duties!!

    It won't surprise me if they do this here...also, those who have lost jobs in recent times are accessing the return on their contributions paid and this lasts for 52 week, it is the provision they have made for the eventuality of finding themselves out of work, the means test kicks in after a year...and you commence actual welfare payments.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Oh_Noes


    Pandora2 wrote: »
    The British Welfare System did the whole poacher turned gamekeeper in 1991/2/3..you went to sign on one day and were told you were commencing training the following Monday and thereafter you were on surveillance duties!!

    It won't surprise me if they do this here...also, those who have lost jobs in recent times are accessing the return on their contributions paid and this lasts for 52 week, it is the provision they have made for the eventuality of finding themselves out of work, the means test kicks in after a year...and you commence actual welfare payments.

    And now they have ASBOs. Why do people use the UK as an example for everything when the place is a kip:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭Chorcai


    Heaven forbid anyone of these people on their high horse should fall from grace and need some help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    sirbob wrote: »
    id like to start this by sayin i was on the dole for 2 yrs before i got the hell outa der .... the dole in ireland is to high i turned down a few jobs because i was comin home wif less money workin than i was on the dole its a **** set up i dont care wat anyone says ... an for ur scheme ur an idiot dats not the way to do it the ppl hu wanna wor will work or der dole if u let them they need more fas style scheme in place were ppl work in der local community claenin up maintainin grass areas an flower beds an keepin public areas clean tidy towns sorta stuff der are ppl hu wud do this if the insentive was der if it was run rite after 6 month on the dole lookin for work you shud have to sugn up to one of these jus a few hours a week if not ur doles cut if after a yr u dont wif out good reason it gets curt further an by yr to no more dole unless u participate thus killin 2 birds wif one stone cleaner ireland an ppl eran der dole ......
    :D i cud go on but i got other stuff to do its time for a swim ha comments welcome

    what language is this...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    I think the dole should be cut to items instead of saving the repayments for example.

    Family with 2 kids (weekly) = 3 loafs of bread, 5 cans of beans, 2.5kg of potatoes, 500g pasta, and some other items.

    A single person living on their own = 2 loafs of bread, 3 cans of beans, 1 can of peas, 1kg potatoes, 500g rice.

    If they need a bus fare for a job interview, they have to go to the local unemployment office and request the return amount, no problem.

    What else would they spend taxpayers money on that is acceptable??

    My kids dont like pasta...could we have some caviar instead ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    sanskrit i'd imagine :D can I have 4 cans of beans if i'm good ? . pretty please. then I can sue heinz for blowing up my house with fartattacks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭Chorcai


    mattjack wrote: »
    what language is this...
    id like to start this by sayin i was on the dole for 2 yrs before i got the hell outa der .... the dole in ireland is to high i turned down a few jobs because i was comin home wif less money workin than i was on the dole its a **** set up i dont care wat anyone says ... an for ur scheme ur an idiot dats not the way to do it the ppl hu wanna wor will work or der dole if u let them they need more fas style scheme in place were ppl work in der local community claenin up maintainin grass areas an flower beds an keepin public areas clean tidy towns sorta stuff der are ppl hu wud do this if the insentive was der if it was run rite after 6 month on the dole lookin for work you shud have to sugn up to one of these jus a few hours a week if not ur doles cut if after a yr u dont wif out good reason it gets curt further an by yr to no more dole unless u participate thus killin 2 birds wif one stone cleaner ireland an ppl eran der dole ......
    i cud go on but i got other stuff to do its time for a swim ha comments welcome
    __________

    I'd like to start this by saying I was on the dole for 2 yrs before I got the hell out of there .... the dole in Ireland is to high I turned down a few jobs because I was comin home with less money working than I was on the dole its a **** set up I don't care what anyone says ... an for your scheme your an idiot that's not the way to do it the people hu(who?) want work will work or their dole if you let them they need more FAS style scheme in place were people work in their local community cleaning up maintainin grass areas an flower beds and keeping public areas clean tidy towns sort of stuff there are people who would do this if the insentive was there if it was run right after 6 month on the dole looking for work you should have to sign up to one of these just a few hours a week if not your doles (Lordy - doles...) cut if after a year you don't with out good reason it gets cut (CURT.. christ on a bike!) further an by year to no more dole unless you participate thus killing two birds with one stone, cleaner Ireland an people earn their dole ......
    biggrin.gif I could go on but I got other stuff to do it's time for a swim ha comments welcome -Originally Posted by sirbob


    I did my best !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭bryaner


    I think the dole should be cut to items instead of saving the repayments for example.

    Family with 2 kids (weekly) = 3 loafs of bread, 5 cans of beans, 2.5kg of potatoes, 500g pasta, and some other items.

    A single person living on their own = 2 loafs of bread, 3 cans of beans, 1 can of peas, 1kg potatoes, 500g rice.

    If they need a bus fare for a job interview, they have to go to the local unemployment office and request the return amount, no problem.

    What else would they spend taxpayers money on that is acceptable??

    Oh dear..:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    zenno wrote: »
    sanskrit i'd imagine :D can I have 4 cans of beans if i'm good ? . pretty please. then I can sue heinz for blowing up my house with fartattacks.

    heinz..? you must be joking...you,re getting unlabelled tins.....lucky dip tins at that....cat food,dog food...etc...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    mattjack wrote: »
    heinz..? you must be joking...you,re getting unlabelled tins.....lucky dip tins at that....cat food,dog food...etc...

    falling off the chair laughing LOL.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    What else would they spend taxpayers money on that is acceptable??

    Maybe a sanity check?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,308 ✭✭✭Ricardo G


    When i WAS working i used to buy my weed localy
    But now that i'm on the dole i have to fly to Amsterdam 5 times a year and post it back !! Its just not fair.... :(

    Its ok though i've applied for disability so fingers crossed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    Chorcai wrote: »
    I did my best !

    you may look at the gravy train as a treat for your efforts....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭MrSausage


    I've said it before and I'll say it again - rape everybody.

    A little bit of PC please, it's
    Surprise Sex:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    MrSausage wrote: »
    A little bit of PC please, it's
    Surprise Sex:D

    surprise sex....and you call yourself mr sausage....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Pandora2


    Oh_Noes wrote: »
    And now they have ASBOs. Why do people use the UK as an example for everything when the place is a kip:confused:[/QUOTE

    Speaking for myself only, I look to Britain on these things because history has confirmed to me that if they do it...our Government will eventually follow suit!! I did not, in anyway, suggest it was the right course of action or that I approved, I merely stated it had been done before:rolleyes: Personally, I think you would have to be suited to such work and have some interest in achieving results. Not sure how motivated previous dole recipients who had been press ganged would be tbh!!;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 45 gowayuwilya


    I'd be interested to see what people think of reporting known dole cheats? I know a large golf club in the wesht where all caddies and i mean all, sign on and claim dole. These lads can pull in a hundred a day at least during the golfing months.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭Hal Emmerich


    I'd be interested to see what people think of reporting known dole cheats? I know a large golf club in the wesht where all caddies and i mean all, sign on and claim dole. These lads can pull in a hundred a day at least during the golfing months.
    Report them all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Terry wrote: »
    I think your post is uninformed and funny.



    Aww. The poor single mother.

    Don't want to get pregnant? Use protection. It's not ****ing rocket science.

    Have you had unprotected sex? Get the morning after pill. It's available over the counter these days.

    Didn't know that? Have an abortion.

    Pro-life? Give the child up for adoption if you don't want it. Plenty of people out there looking to adopt.


    With regards to protected sex; yes, there is a chance that your protection of choice may not work, but that's 5% at most.
    In your post you blame the "Impregnators". It take two to tango (one if you're from D4, but that's neither here nor there).
    It's as much the responsibility of the woman (or egg carrier) as it is the impregnator to take precautions.

    I understand the heat of the moment thing. It happens all the time (no, I'm not bragging. I'm a 35 year old virgin), but that's what the morning after pill is for.

    If you're an egg carrier who has been irresponsible enough to have unprotected sex with an impregnator, then you really should go and get the morning after pill instead of whining about how some dude who just wanted to score with a chick who wanted to score with a dude who wanted to score with a chick who...

    Mutual one night stand is what I'm getting at here.

    Take responsibility for your actions instead of blaming the impregnator.




    People are already employed to do those jobs. They're called council workers.
    Not happy with the work done in your area? Contact your local council.


    Giz a job.
    Check your inbox. You'll probably have a few people genuinely seeking work.


    About 10 times as many.
    I'm not joking.
    At one point there was at least one a day from the high and mighty tax payers.
    They died off for a while when the **** hit the fan and said people had to go and sign on the dole.



    I'd like to start this by saying that the vast majority of people most likely only got as far as your first sentence.

    If your CV is anything like your post, then I'm not surprised you had trouble finding work.

    Allow me to translate this for you:

    durrrrrrrrrrp

    So what do you suggest is done about the leechers


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭Hal Emmerich


    donalg1 wrote: »
    So what do you suggest is done about the leechers
    Awwww, and here I was hoping this was gone from pg1.


  • Posts: 758 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm going to offer a dissenting opinion for the sake of argument, as I'm pretty much apathetic on the topic.

    Plenty of people work jobs with any combination of viciously long commutes and working hours, low pay, the constant fear of being sacked, a complete lack of creative fulfilment / absolute boredom, no better career prospects if they look elsewhere. Pile on top of that the universal social charge. So, I would interested in hearing opinions on why those people should work at all. Of course, you might think it's unfair that the employed have to pay their wages, but if that's the case, surely you should be turning your wrath to politicians and bankers - and not picking on the people who have nothing compared to them. (I don't know the exact figures, but I'd imagine the bailout is worth many times more than the total cost of the dole over many years.) I can't see how that argument is an effective motivator for someone to work; they don't owe you anything, and if they're happier not working, then surely - in their mind - you can go shove it.

    It's possible that much of this comes down to how the education system is a total wreck, and that a huge percentage of people finish the gauntlet (often enough with a degree) and still don't know what they want to do in life. I don't know, I'm just throwing out ideas for discussion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭superelliptic


    Seachmall wrote: »
    Why not take those who do want to work and train them as dole inspectors.

    Because I didnt spend 5 years studying IT to spend my time wandering around the armpits of Dublin city looking for dole dodgers when I should be spending my time looking for a real job.


    Gaah :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Our real enemies - bankers and politicians - approve of this thread.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    I'd be interested to see what people think of reporting known dole cheats? I know a large golf club in the wesht where all caddies and i mean all, sign on and claim dole. These lads can pull in a hundred a day at least during the golfing months.

    Grass


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Show Time


    Even during the boom there were plenty of sods to lazy to get up and do some work.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Show Time wrote: »
    Even during the boom there were plenty of sods to lazy to get up and do some work.

    Curtain twitcher


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