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Latchy · 24-05-2011 01:18AM

WindSock wrote: »

National pride...isn't this where things begin to get messy?

Not to be confused with the sort of patriotism that was around in 1916 and socialist Germany ,WW2 . Different times then and with the hindsight of history , can see how some might be concerned but there's now't wrong with being proud of your country at times even if it's seen by some as being a bit ...ghey .

DWCommuter · 24-05-2011 01:18AM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

We're all human beings at the end of the day.

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Except fat people.;) AH takes no prisoners.:D

starbelgrade · 24-05-2011 01:19AM

DWCommuter wrote: »

Except fat people.;) AH takes no prisoners.:D

There's more to fat people than meets the eye.

Dunny · 24-05-2011 01:23AM

DWCommuter wrote: »

Except fat people.;) AH takes no prisoners.:D

Gingers are worse and the country is full of them...:pac:

Terry · 24-05-2011 01:24AM

OutlawPete wrote: »

"Take objection to"?

Well, I'm between the both of you in age and I too would say I was too young to remember anything about his political career. The only thing I can remember about GF is me and my mates robbing a box of stickers from the FG office in Swords and sticking them all over windows and cars, reckon I was about 11 ('84?).

I take objection to your questioning of my taking objection to taking objection to someone else's post.

As for age, I was 8/9 in 1984 and I can still clearly remember Fitzgerald.
Mind you, I don't remember him with the the misty eyed nostalgia that everyone seems to.

Anglo-Irish agreement aside, I have no respect for him. I'm not going to argue that in this thread though.

WindSock wrote: »

National pride...isn't this where things begin to get messy?

Every time.
If you're for a united Ireland, then you're a 'ra head. If you're not for a united Ireland, then you're a West Brit.
If you're realistic enough to want a united Ireland, but realise that it's not economically viable and will lead to increased terrorism, then you're a wanker.

Let's all give up and be nostalgic about the great times under Fitzgerald and Haughey, and then keep voting for FG or FF. Sure didn't they give Paddy down the road permission to build that big barn?
Great lads altogether.

DWCommuter · 24-05-2011 01:25AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

There's more to fat people than meets the eye.

Ah but Chuck was havin a go at fatties in another thread. Now were all just human beings according to chuck. Nothing like the Queen and Obama to make us all thin.

starbelgrade · 24-05-2011 01:27AM

Terry wrote: »

Sure didn't they give Paddy down the road permission to build that big barn?
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Some people need big barns.

Especially farmers.

They put stuff in them, like cows & slated floors over concrete tanks that collect the shit & stop it from polluting the water.

Don't diss the big barns dude.. some of them are savagely handy.

Terry · 24-05-2011 01:28AM

WindSock wrote: »

Yeah we don't handle doing well, well. We are much better off been down trodden. It suits us, its in the psyche.

But I also mean nationalism, and idealism are the stuff wars are born of. Sorry, just been to see The Wall, it was awesome!

I asked for that ticket, and you said no.
I will continue to hold a grudge for the next 800 years.

Passed down through family and stuff.

DOC09UNAM · 24-05-2011 01:29AM

Paper of very big cracks.

Latchy · 24-05-2011 01:30AM

Mans not cold in the grave yet but anyhows , Fitzgerald was once seen arguing with his son over a neck tie and this was when he was Taoiseach so he obiously didn't have Charlies extravagance for 10 pairs of anything ..

sherdydan · 24-05-2011 01:32AM

Legacy Wailing Shepherd wrote: »

Wasn't this an amazing week to be Irish.

We put the sin's of the past behind us with the queens visit.

What sins are these you speak of?

General General · 24-05-2011 01:32AM

Goldenegg wrote: »

Come on guys, less cynicism and more optimism!

I'm actually very optimistic... for example, seeing that the US President's security team didn't foresee that a long wheel base limo' would face the problem that it did, well, that makes me figure that Obama will go on & on about that for the rest of his days & ensure Ireland a place in his heart.

I don't like the UK's securocracy but I am aware that a lot of decent people from the UK do regard the Queen as their 'head of state' - I think the visit went off well, better than I'd hoped & that given that most Irish youth seem to have a problem mastering the basics of one language, the closer ties that may develop from now on could be good for everyone involved.

However, I don't think anyone should say that it is time we moved on, unless they themselves have a considerable amount of personal tragedy to move on from.

Fitzgerald's passing reminded me of just how reformist his governments were & how sly/cynical Haughey was. Two sides of Ireland there & it seems that the better one is prevailing over time.

Also, I love that Noonan went over to Europe & said that the EU needs a success story given that it's got a disaster on its hands every three weeks or so. That made me feel that we've got someone over there who can actually put a case across.

starbelgrade · 24-05-2011 01:41AM

General General wrote: »

However, I don't think anyone should say that it is time we moved on, unless they themselves have a considerable amount of personal tragedy to move on from.

I agree with the rest of your post, but when people say "move on" in reference to the troubles, it's meant in a political & social sense. I don't think anyone's suggesting that anyone who has suffered personally should move on from their grief - that's a different story altogether.

K-9 · 24-05-2011 01:54AM

Well it's been the culmination in a long, long process for me.

From Bloody Sunday to Hunger Strikes to the Anglo Irish Agreement. The start of the Irish Government as a serious player in Northern Ireland. Some still hate Garret for that sell out, 100's of 1'000's of Unionists marched in unison against the "Republican" sell out though.

John Hume, Adams and Reynolds on the pan Nationalist front. The Downing Street Declaration.

The IRA Ceasefire, the collapse of it. Gda. Gerry McCabe murdered and many a Guard before him.

Good Friday Agreement, eventually the Assembly.

I've been a keen follower of NI politics and despised the atrocities from all sides since 1985 and Enniskillen, I've vague memories of the Hunger Strikers and hearing about Bobby Sands dying on the radio. Read about gerrymandering etc. and many a story about Bloody Sunday and what Irish Catholics had to go through.

I remember Enniskillen, Loughgall, Gibraltar, Milltown, Casement Park, Shankhill Road, Greysteel, know about the history, Shoot to kill, Castlereagh, sectarianism etc. etc.

Put simply, we are in a, far, far better place and I hope no family has to go through what those families did. This maybe unimaginable to the younger posters on here and I hope it remains so.

starbelgrade · 24-05-2011 01:57AM

"How long, how long must we sing this song? How long, how lo-o-o-o-oooong?"

Eh, you can stop now, Bono.

Latchy · 24-05-2011 01:59AM

Kanoe wrote: »

and Jedward..don't forget the Jedward, they were brilliant too :pac:

3 great gigs in town in one week , somebodys got to loose out :pac:

K-9 · 24-05-2011 02:19AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

"How long, how long must we sing this song? How long, how lo-o-o-o-oooong?"

Eh, you can stop now, Bono.

Cheesey but true!

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