Open prisons in Norway, opinions?

Pyr0 · 23-05-2011 05:07PM #1

Noticed this on a different site, very interesting take on a portion of the prison system in Norway.

http://theweek.com/article/index/212738/prison-without-punishment

These days the idea of prison appears to be a mix of punishment and rehabilitation, with punishment at the forefront on the publics opinion on what prison should actually entail. What surprised me about this particular example was that the criminals on this island have committed vicious crimes which would carry very heavy sentences but yet live with extreme freedom, they can pretty much leave the island anytime they want if they don't like living there (I think they go straight back to a maximum security prison going by the last paragraph). The freedom given to the prisoners is having a great effect on their over all desire to live correctly among the general public.

If I'm honest, I'd rather a murderer who spent 15 years learning to live for themselves on an island with relative freedom as opposed to a murderer who spent 15 years within a maximum security prison, locked away for 23 hours a day living next door to me. It's a very black and white example I know but I'm not gonna get into all the "but not everyone comes out as they went in" nit picky points, I realise that but you get what I'm trying to say.

What's your opinion on this?

cosmicfart · 23-05-2011 05:08PM

Lock them up, throw away key.

ejmaztec · 23-05-2011 05:09PM

We could use Rockall.

liah · 23-05-2011 05:10PM

Isn't that basically what happened with Australia?

Ruu_Old · 23-05-2011 05:10PM

Harvest their organs.

Sanjuro · 23-05-2011 05:12PM

There's Nor-way I'd be supporting that policy here.

Daegerty · 23-05-2011 05:17PM

Seems like a good idea really

RMD · 23-05-2011 05:20PM

When someone spends 23 hours locked up in a place filled with other scumbags, they become institutionalized and even more violent themselves. If they have to put up with this for 10-15 years and are then suddenly back in a life of freedom and without a fixed schedule, they're fúcked in essence.

Place these people into a relaxed environment where they must self-sufficient, peaceful and respectful you'll then have people who can be rehabilitated, but might actually come out of the prison system as a decent person as well.

cosmicfart · 23-05-2011 05:22PM

RMD wrote: »

Place these people into a relaxed environment where they must self-sufficient, peaceful and respectful you'll then have people who can be rehabilitated, but might actually come out of the prison system as a decent person as well.

Is that place Monkstown?

admiralofthefleet · 23-05-2011 05:22PM

we have open prisons here dont we? shanganagh in shankill is one but i think it may be closed

Latchy · 23-05-2011 05:24PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

We could use Rockall.

Spike Island ...just so they can stretch their lags legs a bit further

Latchy · 23-05-2011 05:27PM

liah wrote: »

Isn't that basically what happened with Australia?

That's why they say every other ,older Australian is the grandson/grandaughter of a convict .....:pac:

paky · 23-05-2011 05:32PM

nothing like an old fashioned hanging me thinks

Capt'n Midnight · 23-05-2011 09:07PM

Ruu wrote: »

Harvest their organs.

I think you are getting consfused there. Norway is the one to the WEST of Russia.

Biggins · 23-05-2011 09:09PM

I suggest a prisoner "Battle Royale" situation.
We can franchise out the gambling rights to help add to our economy!

Liam Byrne · 23-05-2011 09:11PM

RMD wrote: »

.....might actually come out of the prison system as a decent person as well.

That's a bit of a leap of faith considering that they didn't bother being a decent person before they were put in there.

prinz · 23-05-2011 09:20PM

Now all we need is a similar place for the victims to go away free of charge and come back all better. We have similar open prisons here. No problem moving prisoners from traditional prisons to some place like that to readjust somewhat before release but no support whatsoever to sentencing someone to spend their whole sentence living somewhere likely better than where they came from.

Kevin Duffy · 23-05-2011 09:27PM

With the right safeguards in place, sounds like a great idea. That kind of alternative to the life they may have lived up 'til the time they committed their crimes may be the first time they've had a chance to learn right from wrong and stop taking on the world with hostility and violence, so they can make better choices.

PrincessLola · 23-05-2011 09:28PM

What ever happened to being burned at the stake? Or is it steak?:pac: mmm.. steak..

Nodin · 23-05-2011 09:33PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

That's a bit of a leap of faith considering that they didn't bother being a decent person before they were put in there.

...did you bother your arse to look at the reoffending rates there and maybe compare them to here....

Capt'n Midnight · 23-05-2011 09:44PM

Biggins wrote: »

I suggest a prisoner "Battle Royale" situation.
We can franchise out the gambling rights to help add to our economy!

LOL

except they actually did this in Uganda, two prisoners, one sledgehammer at gun point :eek:

but they lied, the winner got to fight the next person on the list

bayern282 · 23-05-2011 10:13PM

Bill Hicks on transportation to the colonies

''you mean you guys get to stay here with the lousy food, warm beer and sh**ty weather ? ''

................''I'm Jack the Ripper!''
....No! '' I'M Jack the Ripper !''
.........''Hoi You Two ! I WAS Jack the Ripper !''

Naikon · 23-05-2011 10:18PM

"The Running Man" offers the best solution. Fight to the death for your freedom.

man.about.town · 23-05-2011 10:21PM

i whole heartedly disagree with the open prison system, sometimes i worry that eventually we will not punish are criminals at all.

DO THE CRIME, DO THE TIME.... simples

losthorizon · 23-05-2011 10:23PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

We could use Rockall.

Norway claims Rockall as well

-Trek- · 23-05-2011 10:26PM

man.about.town wrote: »

i whole heartedly disagree with the open prison system, sometimes i worry that eventually we will not punish are criminals at all.

DO THE CRIME, DO THE TIME.... simples

But proper rehabilitation needs form part of that mix too or else were just wasting our time, which is pretty much where we are at now.

Gunsfortoys · 23-05-2011 10:26PM

man.about.town wrote: »

simples

You should be locked up 24 hours a day for putting this at the end of every lightweight argument.

Capt'n Midnight · 23-05-2011 10:34PM

losthorizon wrote: »

Norway claims Rockall as well

Oh well back to Spike Island.

Latchy · 23-05-2011 10:36PM

losthorizon wrote: »

Norway claims Rockall as well

And the Danes have always had one foot in Iceland and after this volcano ,well they might want to look elsewhere but Irelands safe from the viking hoards :pac:

ejmaztec · 23-05-2011 11:09PM

losthorizon wrote: »

Norway claims Rockall as well

We won't need it for long, a few good gales and it'll be vacant again.

Norwayviking · 24-05-2011 11:29AM

ejmaztec wrote: »

We won't need it for long, a few good gales and it'll be vacant again.

And you think a few gales would stop a norwegian,lol.
How do you think the vikings found their way to America.
By looking at the forecast,lol.:D

Open prisons in Norway, opinions?

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