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Pamela Izevbekhai is still in Ireland! Why?

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  • #512
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    sligopark wrote: »
    ?

    Too many folk unlike me working the system .... non travelling travellers, non travelling asylum seekers - pity the actual travellers emigrating to work a better life for themselves rather than scrounging off the state....

    Ah but you dont have the Pinko Libtards with thier Whitemans' Guilt fighting your corner.

    Even the foreigners think the situation is ridiculous..we have an international name for being gullible.


  • #513
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Degsy wrote: »
    From what i've been hearing its the Community Welfare Officer who can make a one-off payment for a car to an asylum seeker.

    The usual amount given is 5000 euros,not 14000.

    Any used car dealer will back it up and so will many Asylum seekers themselves.
    I was told by a guy from Ghana that he had been called a "fcucing black bastard" by some scrote on a bus and he was told by friends to take his story to the CWO and be sure to say he feared for his safety and that of his children on public transport..the office said they allowed for a one-off payment for transport and wrote him a cheque..

    So you haven't a fucking shred of evidence then. Good man, carry on.
    Degsy wrote: »
    This is not limited to asylum seekers..there are several discretionary,Once Off payments available to the unemployed as well,the Community Welfare Officer,or equivilent having descretion in the matter and you WONT find it on any of teh Govt websites.

    Yep, its a CONSPIRACY......Shhhh


    Exceptional and urgent needs[/B]

    If you have an exceptional or urgent need, for example, help with a funeral bill, there are a range of discretionary payments provided by the Community Welfare Officer in your local Health Centre.
    http://www.welfare.ie/syndicatedcontent/en/social-welfare-payments/unemployed-people/signing-on/


  • #514
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Nodin wrote: »
    So you haven't a fucking shred of evidence then. Good man, carry on.

    From the man who says a Roma woman murdered a while back was begging to put her children through college?

    This is where real-life experience beats pseudo-left wing idealism every time..the stuff you say would almost be funny except i have a feeling you mean it.

    Lets have a sporting wager..we shall both visit several used car dealerships and ask them "do you ever get EHB cheques in here in payment for vehicles?"

    Lets see what they say,eh?

    Or are they all rabid,foaming racists,spreading the word of Hitler to achieve the goal of white supremecy too?

    You see,people like that dont let racism,or lack of it get in the way of business...what do you say??


  • #515
    CiaranMT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    degsy.jpg

    :pac:


  • #516
    barrackali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭barrackali


    Getting a little off track here guys, I thought this subject was about Pamela Izevbekhai???


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  • #517
    landsleaving
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭landsleaving


    jugger0 wrote: »
    Ya great idea, lets give all our money to people who have no right to be here in the first place, to hell with our own people who need assistance... **** em.

    Yeah screw Irish people, I hate them! I definitely said that too. DEFINITELY. No getting past you.
    jugger0 wrote: »
    The asyslum seeker system is a waste of money, look at france and england and what their large population of asylum seekers have contributed to their country.

    Cultural diversity? Given Daily Mail employees a job? I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by that?

    profitius wrote: »
    Why don't you let her stay in your house and pay for everything she needs so. You've no problem with it..

    I'm not going to say she's a saint, and you got exactly the kind of angry that I made that post expecting, but I look at her elaborate lies and think if that's what she'll do to get a better life than she had in her own country, it must be rubbish there. I can't begrdge someone wanting a better life, isn't that capitalism in the end?

    Sadly, there's no room in my house, unless she wants to sleep on the couch. Maybe some of the empty properties dotted around the place would suit though?

    Anyways, a suggestion for those of you who hate asylum seekers. Maybe cut the cost of their stay here, since they have to be allowed in or the world will think we're pr*cks, from the social welfare? That way it costs you nothing and those scroungers you all hate will get less for heroin and booze? Or do they come first because they're Irish?

    Come on lads, tell me who to hate??


  • #518
    landsleaving
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭landsleaving


    barrackali wrote: »
    Getting a little off track here guys, I thought this subject was about Pamela Izevbekhai???

    Boo! Hiss!


  • #519
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Degsy wrote: »
    This is where real-life experience beats pseudo-left wing idealism every time..the stuff you say would almost be funny except i have a feeling you mean it.

    Thing about real life experience is that its generally able to be documented......
    barrackali wrote:
    Getting a little off track here guys, I thought this subject was about Pamela Izevbekhai???

    It never really was, tbh.


  • #520
    ilovelamp2000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭ilovelamp2000


    Nodin wrote: »
    Irrelevant.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=59465073&postcount=3

    It's not irrelevant at all. It's a simplistic reading of legislation by someone who has never experienced the system is my guess.

    One of the most important things an asylum seeker must establish is credibility at their hearing. A failure to apply in the first country you enter damages credibility.

    It's exactly why Nigerians always insisted they flew directly from Lagos to Dublin at a time when there had never been a direct flight between the two countries. (Which did just as much good for them in establishing credibility)


  • #521
    ger vallely
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 766 ✭✭✭ger vallely


    Agood friend of mine is Ghanian-she and her husband are legally entitled to live and work here. Ghanians do not need to apply for assylum or refugee status. So that about the Ghanian man on the bus is pure tripe.


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  • #522
    PapaQuebec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭PapaQuebec


    ger vallely wrote: »
    Agood friend of mine is Ghanian-she and her husband are legally entitled to live and work here. Ghanians do not need to apply for assylum or refugee status. So that about the Ghanian man on the bus is pure tripe.

    Nigerians dont HAVE to apply for asylum or refugee status either. They could apply for a working visa for here if they were so-inclined.

    The asylum system is soooo much easier!!!


  • #523
    CiaranMT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    PapaQuebec wrote: »

    The asylum system is soooo much easier!!!

    Explain how this bit is in the slightest bit true? Genuine question.


  • #524
    profitius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭profitius


    landsleaving wrote: »
    I'm not going to say she's a saint, and you got exactly the kind of angry that I made that post expecting,

    I didn't get angry I simply said you should take her in.
    landsleaving wrote:
    but I look at her elaborate lies and think if that's what she'll do to get a better life than she had in her own country, it must be rubbish there. I can't begrdge someone wanting a better life, isn't that capitalism in the end?

    Not the Irish peoples problem.
    landsleaving wrote:
    Sadly, there's no room in my house, unless she wants to sleep on the couch. Maybe some of the empty properties dotted around the place would suit though?

    Then build an extension or squeeze her and her kids in somehow and look after them. You won't do it but you're telling the rest of the people to do it!
    landsleaving wrote:
    Anyways, a suggestion for those of you who hate asylum seekers. Maybe cut the cost of their stay here, since they have to be allowed in or the world will think we're pr*cks, from the social welfare? That way it costs you nothing and those scroungers you all hate will get less for heroin and booze? Or do they come first because they're Irish?

    Yes the Irish come first and so they should! Their ancestors helped fight for and build this country.
    landsleaving wrote:
    Come on lads, tell me who to hate??

    Its nothing got to do with hating anybody. Personally I don't hate anybody on the planet.


  • #525
    PapaQuebec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭PapaQuebec


    CiaranMT wrote: »
    Explain how this bit is in the slightest bit true? Genuine question.

    How many Nigerian nationals (or former nationals) are resident in Ireland?

    Several thousand!

    How many of those are, or have been in the asylum system?

    Almost all!!

    What percentage had their asylum claims accepted?

    Virtually none!

    What percentage have been removed from the State?

    Almost none - maybe a thousand at most in 15 years!

    What percentage of those resident here would actually be here had they made job applications and applied for visas/work-permits from Nigeria?

    Very few!


    As an aside, here is a post from a thread on a kind of Nigerian "boards.ie" discussing the treatment of Nigerians in China - posted by a Nigerian:

    See, there's a reason for everything. My neighbour used to visit China for business yearly in the 1990s and this problem wasn't there. In fact, the arrival of Nigerians in China at that time used to be celebrated.

    You know Nigerians, I know Nigerians, there are millions of Nigerians whose hobby is seeking loopholes in any system to exploit. They are almost impossible to catch because as one hole is closed, another gets opened by them. The only way to deal with these things is to put some basic precautions on ground. Your visa gets expired, you're apprehended. Simple. Why should you allow you visa to expire? "Abi you think say na Panadol?"

    Please this does not qualify as abuse. By the time they start publicly flogging innocent Nigerians in Tiannamen Square, then you can raise the red flag.

    Are you telling me that when a Nigerian's visa expires in the UK and he refuses to go, the queen sends him a letter of appeal? Please get real.


  • #526
    ascanbe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    Degsy wrote: »
    From the man who says a Roma woman murdered a while back was begging to put her children through college?

    This is where real-life experience beats pseudo-left wing idealism every time..the stuff you say would almost be funny except i have a feeling you mean it.

    Lets have a sporting wager..we shall both visit several used car dealerships and ask them "do you ever get EHB cheques in here in payment for vehicles?"

    Lets see what they say,eh?

    Or are they all rabid,foaming racists,spreading the word of Hitler to achieve the goal of white supremecy too?

    You see,people like that dont let racism,or lack of it get in the way of business...what do you say??

    No facts.
    Assertion that your take on 'life-experience' and your idea of 'telling it like it is' gives your argument validity.
    Assertion that your argument would be proven if only you and the person you disagree with could embark on some bizarre, un-scientific 'information gathering' field-trip that, of course, is never going to happen.
    Labelling the person you disagree with.
    The method that you use to set forth your point betrays all the signs of you, for whatever reason, just wanting it to be true.
    Why not just use demonstrable facts? Or even 'soft-evidence' that goes beyond what someone supposedly said to you?


  • #527
    ascanbe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    PapaQuebec wrote: »
    How many Nigerian nationals (or former nationals) are resident in Ireland?

    Several thousand!

    How many of those are, or have been in the asylum system?

    Almost all!!

    What percentage had their asylum claims accepted?

    Virtually none!

    What percentage have been removed from the State?

    Almost none - maybe a thousand at most in 15 years!

    What percentage of those resident here would actually be here had they made job applications and applied for visas/work-permits from Nigeria?

    Very few!


    As an aside, here is a post from a thread on a kind of Nigerian "boards.ie" discussing the treatment of Nigerians in China - posted by a Nigerian:

    See, there's a reason for everything. My neighbour used to visit China for business yearly in the 1990s and this problem wasn't there. In fact, the arrival of Nigerians in China at that time used to be celebrated.

    You know Nigerians, I know Nigerians, there are millions of Nigerians whose hobby is seeking loopholes in any system to exploit. They are almost impossible to catch because as one hole is closed, another gets opened by them. The only way to deal with these things is to put some basic precautions on ground. Your visa gets expired, you're apprehended. Simple. Why should you allow you visa to expire? "Abi you think say na Panadol?"

    Please this does not qualify as abuse. By the time they start publicly flogging innocent Nigerians in Tiannamen Square, then you can raise the red flag.

    Are you telling me that when a Nigerian's visa expires in the UK and he refuses to go, the queen sends him a letter of appeal? Please get real.

    Again, use facts instead of vague assertions and allusions to some post you claim to have read on some site, supposedly from a Nigerian.
    Perhaps it was a genuine post from a Nigerian; even if it was, what would that prove?
    Some Nigerians are, surely, just as likely to post dumb posts on message boards as some people of any other nationality; so why would you use this as solid evidence that proves your argument?
    Unless you regard all Nigerians as being infallible; in which case, you should probably be working to ensure more come to live here.


  • #528
    landsleaving
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭landsleaving


    profitius wrote: »
    I didn't get angry I simply said you should take her in.

    Fair enough. Mildly irked, then? :pac:

    profitius wrote: »
    Not the Irish peoples problem.

    And we aren't, and never were, the rest of the world's problem, didn't stop us trying to make a better life for ourselves. If an irish person in America or Australia lied they'd just be patted on the back for it. By being one of the richest countries in the world (yes, still), of course it's our problem. We take in enough of Africa's resources to fuel our businesses, it's just giving a little back, but I can see we'll never agree so that's my stance, I understand people not agreeing, so it goes.


    profitius wrote: »
    Then build an extension or squeeze her and her kids in somehow and look after them. You won't do it but you're telling the rest of the people to do it!

    Think you're mistaking individual people for a nation there. Your argument makes no logical sense. I am not a government, nor do I suggest anyone else is. Collectively though, we can do a lot of good.

    Plus she could be a crap housemate. I've read that thread, she might shower constantly or something. :p

    profitius wrote: »
    Yes the Irish come first and so they should! Their ancestors helped fight for and build this country.

    Our ancestors are dead. Thus irrelevant to this conversation. The rest of us just happened to be born here in the rich part of the world. Lucky us. Plus we still come first, immigrants are treated pretty poorly in comparison. I hear no one even hugs them.
    profitius wrote: »
    Its nothing got to do with hating anybody. Personally I don't hate anybody on the planet.

    Good for you. It's not true of most in this case though.

    Personally I find it hard to criticise people for emigrating to improve their lives. If we're arguing about ancestors it's pretty hypocritical to do the same. But then I'm not so forget that.

    Honestly, I'd be happy with opening all borders. Give everyone the world over equal opportunity. That would be great. Plus we might forget the absurd notion of 'country' that we cling to so dearly, as if some imaginary line is the only thing seperating us from chaos. Let people stay, tell them they are free to find work, and if they fail they'll go elsewhere, as the Irish are doing now.

    But I suppose not many would agree with me on that, so no need to reply, I know why.

    Anyways, I wasn't singling you out as being angry, I just find it a source of constant amusement the way people get riled up by this one, single proven case of a 'chancer' as if it's evidence that all asylum seekers are frauds.

    Also any Nigerian I've ever met, and I've met a few at this stage, has been intelligent, erudite and courteous. A great bunch of lads, one might say. One bad apple won't tarnish my view of any race or nationality. Nor should it anyone elses.

    Now, let's all be friends.


  • #529
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    ascanbe wrote: »
    No facts.
    Assertion that your take on 'life-experience' and your idea of 'telling it like it is' gives your argument validity.
    Assertion that your argument would be proven if only you and the person you disagree with could embark on some bizarre, un-scientific 'information gathering' field-trip that, of course, is never going to happen.
    Labelling the person you disagree with.
    The method that you use to set forth your point betrays all the signs of you, for whatever reason, just wanting it to be true.
    Why not just use demonstrable facts? Or even 'soft-evidence' that goes beyond what someone supposedly said to you?

    go to bed..you're not making any sense.


  • #530
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    [QUOTE=ger vallely;70761867 Ghanians do not need to apply for assylum or refugee status. .[/QUOTE]

    Neither do nigerians..but they still do.


  • #531
    DonQuay1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭DonQuay1


    .... has Pammy been sent packing yet? Wasn't the European court supposed to give an answer a couple of months back?


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  • #532
    Pauleta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,778 ✭✭✭Pauleta


    I cant see her going for a while. Somebody should just put her on a plane to some madcap african country and deal with the European Court after she is gone. We are way too bound by Europe. WTF are they going to do about it? launch airstrikes :pac:


  • #533
    Show Time
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Show Time


    Jokeshop of a country.

    They are laughing at the paddies all the way back to Africa.


  • #534
    barrackali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭barrackali


    It is an absolute scandal that this woman hasn't been deported yet....but it doesn't surprise me one bit.


  • #535
    PK2008
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭PK2008


    I remember this thread starting in 2009......



    FML


  • #536
    later12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭later12


    bertiesrasher wrote: »
    Irish officials travelled to Nigeria to investigate the case further ...
    In an affidavit from Irish embassy official, Cormac McHenry, he said he went last February to a local government office in Nigeria, from which the original death certificate (used in Ms Izevbekhai’s asylum application) had allegedly issued, and found no such certificate on file in that office.
    What? Could they not have found that out with a telephone or a conference call? This is 2011. A voyage to Nigeria was hardly called for.

    edit
    that was 2009... 2009, wtf? who dug this up?


  • #537
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    later10 wrote: »
    What? Could they not have found that out with a telephone or a conference call? This is 2011. A voyage to Nigeria was hardly called for.

    edit
    that was 2009... 2009, wtf? who dug this up?


    ...there must be a shortage of things to bicker over and problems to complain about.


  • #538
    Sonnenblumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭Sonnenblumen


    Show Time wrote: »
    Jokeshop of a country.

    They are laughing at the paddies all the way back to Africa.

    Plenty of laughing and openings in the taxi circus, "anyone wanna rent a car"? Cheap price, very good car, very good price!!


  • #539
    ascanbe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    Christ! This thread has been ressurected again..
    With all the problems our country is currently faced with, it's good to know that there are some people still concerned with the really pressing issues. :rolleyes:


  • #540
    ascanbe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    Degsy wrote: »
    go to bed..you're not making any sense.

    Nah, that made perfect sense. You'll be glad to know that i did go to bed, though.


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  • #541
    profitius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭profitius


    ascanbe wrote: »
    Christ! This thread has been ressurected again..
    With all the problems our country is currently faced with, it's good to know that there are some people still concerned with the really pressing issues. :rolleyes:

    All the more reason to stop the flood of immigrants.


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